Posts made by Zooey72

I got it as a christmas present from GF. I read a few issues before I got it, but love now having a subscibtion.

For those who have not read it, it has really great articles. Not just the run of the mill, “miracle at dunkirk” type of thing that every WW2 enthusiast knows backwards and forwards. This month they had an article about the jap subs that made it all the way to france to exchange tech with the Germans. A footnote in history yes. But VERY interesting!

Unlike many of the history books I have read, the magazine enlightens me on a lot of the small stuff. If you get into WW2, I suggest you get a subscription.

My fault for being lazy. Yes there were more Italian “conquests” during the war. But I thought it funny that the Italians took etheopia. And to give credit where credit is due. Some Italian units fought bravely in Africa. Not through (or for) thier own government, but by the example of Rommel. The man was an inspiration to them as well as the Germans who fought.

I used to play a comp game that illustrated the Italian military very correctly. I got the hugest kick out of building up thier tech and having them march into moscow. The friend I played was not as good as I was. The only thing better than beating him… was to have him be defeated by the Italians lol.

Bush is screwed. He was screwed because of the time he was elected. Not to say he hasn’t made mistakes. He has made A BUNCH! But no president could get re-elected with the random crap he inherited. 911, corporate scandal, massive huricanes (not just katrina, 4 hit Florida last year), gas prices going through the roof, the list goes on.

He could not do much about a lot of this, but as they say “the buck stops here”.

By this I mean in comparison to the real war.

I think the most accurate thing is that you need to kill Germany first.

The least accurate is that there are no supply lines in the game.

2nd least accurate is that taking all of Africa is a big thing, in reality the Germans would never have gone south after taking cairo. They would have gone into the middle east.

3rd is that the Japs would not have made such a big play to the Russians as they do in this game.

4th is the transport/sub war in the atlantic is almost non existant.

To accurately portray the italians in A&A you would have to make some modifications.

Italians can’t build tanks
Italian infantry never attack, but when attacked they get the “flee” option where they roll to see if they can retreat
The med transport gets sunk every turn
The med battleship turns into a fishing boat
Italian planes fly one square, and crash at the end of every battle because they have no way to land
Italian infantry pieces are portrayed with thier hands up in the air, the command and control unit gets a white flag
For every italian infantry in combat, you need a german infantry with them to force them to fight (at gun point).
Roll a die every turn, on a 1 southern eurupe comes under allied control because the Italians surrendered.

Italians were pretty much a joke in WW2, even worse than the French. The only “country” they really conqured on thier own was etheopia. Think it was Churchill who said this when they did “Italy has conqured a country that no one in the civilized world has wanted to occupy since the Roman empire”. Or something to that effect.

There was a movie with Nicholos Cage I saw that explains it pretty well. Cage plays an Italian officer in Greece during WW2. When Greece surrenders, the local government refuses to surrender to the Italians. They made sure that there was a German officer there for it to be formal. After surrendering to the German officer, the greek turns to Cage and says “I would have rathered surrendered to his dog than to you”.

@Jennifer:

Latin’s a very important language to study. Many of today’s languages hail from latin heritage so you can actually use latin to understand your own language more fully.

I think that’s why it’s a popular foreign language in colleges. I kind of wish, in a way, it was required in Jr. High School and High School instead of letting the children choose a foreign language on their own. At the very least we could require it in addition too a foreign language.

Then again, I see no problem with the 9 hour school day, much as many on this board may see problem with it, there are some good I can see from it:

1. A refocusing on hard sciences and mathematics can be established

2. There would be time to teach Christianity, Muslim, Buddist and other religions’ base premises.

3. There would be more time for skill training. (Auto shop, wood shop, metal shop, cooking, tailoring, etc.)

4. There would be structured time for children when their parents are at work instead of allowing them to become hoodlums in the neighborhoods because they are unsupervised.

I’m sure I can think of more reasons later, but that’s what I could think of right off the top of my head.

I agree with a lot of that, but the last part bothers me a bit. Not because you aren’t right. But because school is not the place to teach a kid values. Keeping them pre-occupied with crap does not mean they are brought up right. People have kids that have no bussiness having kids. They neither know nor care how to raise a child the right way. The burden of your sex should not fall on the rest of society. To use a bad quote, but an appropriate one “you need a license to drive a car, you need one to even catch a fish! But anyone can have a kid.” - “Parenthood”.

I think the major cause of dumb assess in the world is because people have no idea (or care) how to raise a child. To be ready to have kids is based off one thing, and one thing only. “My child’s needs come before my own.”

The way things are, the opposite is true. A parent needs to be home to raise a kid, mother or father. And as far as the ecomony of a family goes. Depends on which parent is more economicaly able to, and which is able to raise the children best.

oh come on man, everyone loves monty python! Best import we have gotten from Britian in recent years. Unless you count the spice girls and benny hill! (sarcasm) :)

@F_alk:

@Jennifer:

I’m not argueing it wasn’t conquered by the French, Hax. I’m saying it isn’t French and neither was Napoleon. He was a corsican living in a conquered territory who rose to power because the French were too inept to stop him.

There are no United States. Just a bunch of uncivilized colonists who have conquered some land from the savages……

“inept to stop him” … you should really STFU, Jen.

@Zoo:

Thier culture is minimal to none in my opinion. I find more culture in a McDonalds than I do in all of France. And lastly I am disgusted with the french because without us they would be a fly speck on the map, and the culture you say they have would have been stomped out by any country that wanted to take the time to invade them.

I also really have laugh each time when i hear that:
i don’t want to be thanked … but i hate them because they didn’t thank me.

For the culture … yeah. Stay were you are, do think that McD is culture. Go and buy, ditch. Your opinion is worth what … let me think … oh, and i am not complaining that you don’t thank me for my grandeur and effort to listen and reply to you.

Have you taken your meds today? Really, I can’t even decipher that.

It is really clear on France. France has no worthwhile military, economy or influence in world affairs. So in essence, in the grand scheme of things THEY ARE NOTHING!

Cystic, if you are implying because some people listen to france that they have some kind of influence… ok. Yep, out of all the screaming anti americanism in the world the French scream the loudest. And they do have a little bit to back up thier crying. Thier UN vote. Not that they earned mind you. It was reserved for world powers but for God knows what reason we allowed them a veto after WW2. Let me repeat that “WE ALLOWED THEM THE RIGHT TO VETO AFTER WORLD WAR II!”

France is insignifigant, and I would like to see thier veto taken away from them and given to a country that has some actual real world influnce in the world outside having the biggest mouth. Germany does not agree with many of our policies, but I would not have a problem with them getting the veto from France. They are a contender in world affiars, the french outside thier complaining and the veto we gave them, are NOTHING!

A lot of people might complain about that. I am sure the French would take it as a huge insult. But in the end, so what. They are the French, what are they going to do about it?

And although Falk is on probabtion, I am going to say something about the small part of his rambling I could decipher. The indians getting slaughtered huh? You are stereotypical in that all evil in the world starts with the west, and specificaly white people. The indians were butchering each other for 1000s of years before we came to the continent. The Aztecs in paticular ritualisticly killed 10s of thousands. But wait! That evil was not committed by white Eurupeans so it is not worth mentioning. Lets concentrate only on white Eurupeans, because everyone knows that they are inherently evil.

Stop your belly aching about “well they conquered such and such” blah blah blah. First of all, everyone has been conquered by someone else at one time or another. Myabe blacks owe jews something for enslaving them a few 1000 years ago? (think picking cotton sucks, I can’t imagine what building those pyramids was like). Or perhaps blacks owe the sicilians something for conquering them, and in a way comitted genocide because thier presence there altered the bloodline forever. But wait! Those are horrible things done by non whites! Oh god, we need never look at those things! People may actualy start to realize that evil is done by men reguardless of thier skin color. And people may have to learn more than “White people bad”.

I unclog my nose at you I fart in your general direction…

ARGH NO! Don’t ban me… GAHHH!!! oh the humanity.

Just thought some monty python might lighten the mood up a little

@Guerrilla:

F_alk I am saying that she will obviously stay and the only way to get “rid” of her would be to ban her… I know you see that… but you must be a big dreamer to drean the “impossible”… I think I can honestly say that Jen would consider it an insult of her intelligence to just leave… so she won’t… I can assure you… It seems though that you would rather bombard her with enough “language” to force her out… and to me that is weak in a free forum of discussion…

We are not American, Canadian, German, French, etc. here we are members of AaA … neither our rights given to us by our constitutionality nor it’s power in our lives do not apply… If you choose to say that the American Constitution supports the slaughter of thousands of Indians you should have all rights to do so… I should have no right to stop you…

See, its post like that that really steam me. I don’t know, or care if you are American. But if the reverse was true about the horrible crimes committed by other countries in thier histories than others would have a fit. You just used it as “just an example” is BS. Because I have seen with most all of these “American examples” it is about something hugely negative.

Or maybe I should compare Spain’s government with the COMPLETE genocide of the indians in Mexico. Are the Germans still killing people in concentration camps? How about the benevolant British empire… How is that doing now?

To compre the Germans now to the Nazis during the holocaust is wrong (60 years ago, some of those people are still alive). But to joke around about our constitution giving the right to kill indians is ok? This isn’t even about insulting my poor sensitivities. It is a double standard plane and simple. Historicaly we have done much less than the rest of the world, just because we have not been around as long. But when our government comes up it is oh so fashionable to talk about slavery, killing the indians, internment camps blah blah blah.

I have a comparison for you if you want to know what the rest of the world should use when they talk about America.

If not for American policy you all would be speaking Russian (or maybe german)… and WOW did that country have a high standard of living (and oh so humanitairian). Every time you look in the mirror know that the only reason you have the freedoms that you have is because America defended those freedoms for you.

I will put it bluntly than. In world affiars, the french do not matter. It can’t be put any more simple than that. In there histroy, from time to time, they have mattered. Now is not one of those times. The only power France has in world politics is the vote WE gave them in the UN. I would much rather that Germany, Russia, or China… even Japan were so outspoken against us because in world politics those countries matter. The French do not, and they know it. So like a child that does not get enough attention they throw a fit, and target the US because if you want attention, go after the big fish. This can not be put any more blunt than saying that whatever France thinks is about as important as what Luxemberg thinks. I don’t want to hear thier opinion. They don’t matter AT ALL in the grand scheme of things. They are like a little yappy dog that will not shut up, and instead of the world placating them they should be told to just shut up when adults speak (the real powers of the world).

I do like the boycot of French goods that took place in America, and still does to a degree. Thier style of government is disgusting to me, a socialist nightmare. Thier culture is minimal to none in my opinion. I find more culture in a McDonalds than I do in all of France. And lastly I am disgusted with the french because without us they would be a fly speck on the map, and the culture you say they have would have been stomped out by any country that wanted to take the time to invade them. If you want to have an opinion, become self sufficient. Not ask for handouts and than complain about how your beneficiery makes his $.

Don’t bring up the revolutionary war, they jumped in at the end to thumb thier nose at England. Nothing more, nothing less.

@F_alk:

To teh “anti americanism”: …
it seems like the common opinion here is that the anti-american sentiments of the world are there only because we are envious because you are richand powerful.

So, you show anti-french sentiments here. I suppose you are only envious because they have civilisation and culture.

Must be it.

That sounds like a huge line of BS, sorry. There are many different cultures in the world, why exactly do the French get to claim civilisation and culture? You slipped right there, you just advocated the myth that because they are “civilized” (and I am guessing that means they drink thier coffee in nice little coffee houses). Talk about misplaced sentimental hogwash. Stop watching movies, and start living in the real world where having an accent does not make you civilized. Honestly, what makes them civilized other than the popular culture you have been spoon fed?

Are they jealous of us, of course they are (in general). Being “rich and powerful” is something everyone would be envious of. Do you think the vast majority of Americans are envious of the fact that the French are snooty and think they are better than others (to use your popular culture stereotypes)

@cystic:

@Zooey72:

@haxorboy:

That was right after the liberation. It didn’t even take a decade for Degaul to start being a horse’s a**. In recent years, they have found our cemetary over there desectated with feces.

I saw a bum take a piss all over the place right outside the Ellipse, should we go to war here with the homeless people? Besides with people like you over here screaming “screw the French” every chance you get I wonder why they hate us and would do things like that.

Be nice if that was just a case study, but it’s not. A poll before the invasion of Iraq done in france showed that 1/3 of the country wanted us to lose the war. Not just “don’t attack”, actualy lose to the benevolant dictator Saddam. Agree or disagree with the war, that is ok. But 1/3 of the population was rooting for Saddam. That is truly screwed up.

not if you consider that they are not Americans, that they heard the things that Americans were saying about them for not participating in the war, and that they (and much of the world) sees Bush in the same light as SH. Furthermore - much right-wing US rhetoric sounds very much like fanatical AQ rhetoric to anyone outside of the US.

For me - i didn’t care if the US won or lost - i just didn’t want to see civilians getting killed and the country getting terrorized.

I wanted to add. People die in war. Civilian and military. More civilains died in WW2 than soldiers. Is that the condition you place on declaring a war? That there be no civilian loss of life? It does not work that way. We did not want to be in the middle east because of the problems we are having with Iraq now. If we wanted to be in Iraq we could of done it in 91. It was just a hop skip and a jump to baghdad. The situation sucks, I will not argue that point at all. You’re right.

But the right thing to do is not always (actualy seldomly) the easy thing to do. Should the rev. war not have been fought because our civilians died?

It is harsh, but you need to break eggs to make an omlet. I am sure if I was one of the eggs being broken my opinion would be different. But there is a greater good.

@cystic:

i actually want to delete this poll.

stupid . . . .

I could not agree with you more. Dumb as hell. But I do have an opinion on this that I think will make people think a bit.

His most recent pedophelia thing I have not followed. It comes on the news and I change the channel when it does. But his first one really steamed me.

I have no idea if he was guilty or not. Who knows. But I do think the parent’s of that child should spend some time in prison. There was only 2 ways it could have been.

Either he did it, and the parent’s prostituded thier child for the settlement they got (because God knows if I my child was ever raped a check would not settle the score). Or he didn’t do it and the whole thing was made up. Either way, prison time for the parents.

Are you suggesting that the french were very pro american before the Iraq war? I won’t even bring out the list of crap they have done. I am sure you know it. And btw, no one in Eurupe likes the French. Its not just us.

And if you want to be specific on French complaceny (and the world for that matter) just look at WW2 and how they let Hitler run away with with murder b4 1939. The war could have been avoided when Hitler made his first move. Hugely unpopular to the rest of the world (US included) but it would have been the right thing to do. The world sides against us, yep. They don’t like our policies. But Chamberlain would have gone down in history as being a Hawk if he stopped hitler from the get go. I am sure the main stay of scholars would have said he should of negotiated and not start a war. If he had declared war, it would have either been settled in a few months (because germany was not strong when he had a chance to act) or Germany would have retreated like a dog with its tail between its legs. But historians would have remembered him as the man who started a war that killed thousands. Now he is remembered as the man who did nothing and let 10s of millions die.

You can’t prove a negative. We will never know if Bush’s plan is a good one. Maybe if he did things differently we would have world peace or something to that effect. But maybe if his policies were not followed than we would of had 10 more 911s now.

@F_alk:

@Jennifer:

As for Bush’s remembrance, no one can know, however, he might be seen as the man who freed the world from the crip of terrorism, the man who brought democracy to the oppressed and the man who set the stage for a strong centrallized world government (that last thing would be a BAD thing.)

i am left speechless.
You are … i don’t know how else to say it… plain stupid.

Well that was a witty retort. Anyway, I could give a flying fig over democracy in Iraq, and I think Bush in the end could care less too. But wars have to be presented to be moral wars. Civil war was not fought over slavery, it was fought over tax appropriations and tarrifs. But doesn’t “free the slaves” sound so much nicer? This war was not fought over WMD or freeing the Iraqi people. It was fought so that we would have a strong presence in the middle east to scare the living hell out of any country that supports terrorist.

What did Bush do? Next country that is found responsible for flying planes into buildings can expect to have a real quick regime change. He is speaking to the middle east in the only language they understand - force.

I think he has conducted the war badly. If you go in, go in to win or don’t go in at all. He is doing it 1/2 assed and it is costing us American lives. His reaction to 911 was stupid “just live your life like normal”. What a crock. The American people would have done anything he asked after 911 and he asked them to do nothing. His hydrogen car BS is just naked corruption IMO. He sold us out to big oil - period. He is throwing away $ in aid to Africa for aids, like we have it to spare… and as if we don’t have people in America with AIDS. If there was any justice he would be impeached for his policy of amnesty for illegal aliens.

Oh ya, he has made some HUGE screw ups. But I voted for him, and even knowing what I know now I still would have voted for him because I can not stand kerry. If kerry were in office things would be much worse IMO. The dems need to run someone worth voting for instead of extremist. They ran a guy who called our troops in Vietnam rapists and murders… He has admitted to commiting war crimes while HE was in Vietnam. He had no solutions to the problems the country had - he wanted to get elected on “bush is stupid”.

Now it looks like they will run Hillary in 08. They will never learn. I just hope whoever the republicans run is a better leader than what Bush is. Because we sure as heck need it now.

@haxorboy:

That was right after the liberation. It didn’t even take a decade for Degaul to start being a horse’s a**. In recent years, they have found our cemetary over there desectated with feces.

I saw a bum take a piss all over the place right outside the Ellipse, should we go to war here with the homeless people? Besides with people like you over here screaming “screw the French” every chance you get I wonder why they hate us and would do things like that.

Be nice if that was just a case study, but it’s not. A poll before the invasion of Iraq done in france showed that 1/3 of the country wanted us to lose the war. Not just “don’t attack”, actualy lose to the benevolant dictator Saddam. Agree or disagree with the war, that is ok. But 1/3 of the population was rooting for Saddam. That is truly screwed up.

@Jennifer:

@haxorboy:

I’m with Zooey…tear down the Statue of Liberty, raise the walls and let the world fend for itself man, cuz it’s not our problem.

:roll:

Raise the walls and shoot anyone trying to get in. I like the statue, it’s the only thing the French have ever given us outside of grief, death and war.

Well, look at it this way. All of the help we are getting from other countries probably does not add up to a 1/10 of what we have spent on Aid to other countries. Do I live in the devestated area? No, but I bet the 10 billion good ole bush spent in Africa for aids could have built some levies or even refineries don’t you? Or been a great deal of help as far as aid to the people now.

I am talking about a matter of policy. I care very little for this “world community” BS. We should take care of our own, and other countries should take care of thier own. In the end, we would be much better off. True allies I have no problem helping. But sending $ in aid to the middle east? Unless it is Isreal or Kuwait, not one dime. The vast majority of these people hate us, and we owe them nothing.

@Mr:

After all, who, exactly, was it that invaded Berlin? Oh yea! Stalin’s forces, that’s right. Who fought the German’s single handedly on his front? Oh yea, Stalin did! Who needed 3 countries to hold the Germans at bay long enough for Russia to win the war? Oh yea, France Brition and America….you see where I’m going with this right?

More crap. The allies agreed to let Stalin’s Russia take Berlin. Who was it that sent a massive amount of food, weapons and equipment to Russia so they could lay the hammer down on the Germans? oh ya the Allies.
I see where you going with this……right down the crapper.

Sure, lend lease helped. But not so much as is illustrated in our history books. I have never, ever seen a picture of Russians using one of our shermans even though we sent 1000s to them. Why? Because the sherman was a piece of crap compared to a t34, and less than crap when compared to a tiger or panther tank. Same was true with a lot of equipment we sent to them (not so much the aircraft). And don’t forget, at the pivotal year of the war (42) lend lease convoys were being decimated by U-boats.

I think the Germans could have pulled it off if they only had to fight the Russians. There were 300,000 German troops in Norway alone that could have done wonders on the Russian front (imagine 300k troops defending the flanks at stalingrad instead of the crappy Rumanian troops that were there). But Jen is def right that the Russians did most of the fighting and dying. At the end of the war 8 out of 10 Germans killed were killed on the eastern front.

@Mr:

Later we sent hundreds of thousands of American boys to die on their soil so they could be free from the Germans and we did it twice. Never received so much as a thank you note

If you had ever seen footage from WW2 of the liberation of Paris, you’d know exactly how much crap this is. Nothing but verbal diarreah.

That was right after the liberation. It didn’t even take a decade for Degaul to start being a horse’s ass. In recent years, they have found our cemetary over there desectated with feces.