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    • Legal question if anyone knows…

      I was watching some protests, and it really doesn’t matter what the protest was about; however there was someone who was a counter-protester who was very peacefully filming the whole event.  Police were present and there was no violence.  However a group of the protesters walked in front of the guy filming and blocked him filming with their signs.  Can they do that?  I wouldn’t think that would be legal to do, but they did it anyway and the cops allowed it.  I wouldn’t even think this would be a state by state thing either, the First Amendment is pretty straight forward with this kind of thing.

      Anyhow, I would be curious to find out if anyone has the info.

      Thanks.

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    • RE: Dunkirk Movie

      @CWO:

      @taamvan:

      it is the popular, majority, mainstream view that the most popular conspiracy theories are correct

      Conspiracy theories have majority mainstream acceptance?

      “Hands up, don’t shoot”.

      Not bringing up politics, but this was proven to be completely false but people believe it anyway.

      The movie was ok, but it was no “Saving Private Ryan”.

      As far as historical stuff goes I thought it was excellent.  I think they threw out too many German bombers and dive bombers escort w/o escort, but other than that it was great.  I exceptionally liked the scream of the Stukas.  That had to scare the hell out of people.  Made me wonder, how did the dive bombers who were right on top of these things not go deaf?  There are 2 things I would have added to the movie that  they left out though.  1.  They should have shown all the discarded equipment on the roads, and made a bigger point of how when they got back to England all their weapons had been left behind.  2.  Stopping the French from getting on the boats.  While it was mentioned they didn’t get into the hostility that took place between England and France over the policy, and why they changed it.  I would also have liked to have heard somewhere from some French guy the saying at the time “England is willing to fight to the last Frenchmen”.

      My biggest problem with the movie is that the characters were too one dimensional.  You lost track of who was who, and didn’t really care when someone died because they all came across as “soldier X”.  (other than that kid on the boat who was killed by the guy with shell shock, that sucked).

      posted in World War II History
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    • RE: What WW2 movie would you like to see made?

      One of the hard sells in doing anything with WW2 is that the pull is to make everyone who was in the German military evil.  While there is no dispute about the atrocities the Germans committed in the war, people like to make them cartoon evil at times (twirling mustaches and tying maidens to railroad tracks kind of thing).  The worst WW2 movie of all time “Swing Kids”, said that Nazis hated dancing.  It was kind of like “Footloose” but in Nazi Germany.  Hate dancing eh?  I bet they killed kittens and declared war on rainbows too!

      At any rate in order to make a German soldier anything other than a mustache twirling idiot the movie has to be something like “Valkarie” where Tom Cruise is trying to take down Nazis.  There are a few exceptions like “Das Boot”, but nothing really recent that I can think of.

      I think a biography/dramaitization of Rommel’s life would be amazing.  And very doable in the “Nazis are evil” vein that is the criteria that must be met to make a WW2 movie (to be clear, Nazis are evil; but to make a movie about a German soldier who is not evil, that horse has to be beaten to death).  If they keyed in on Rommel’s brilliance from Poland to Normandy, along with him being one of the few to stand up to Hitler… that would make for a great movie.  Not to mention it has a rags to riches component since Rommel was really the only non-Prussian Field Marshall.

      posted in World War II History
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    • What WW2 movie would you like to see made?

      There have been so many bad ones like ‘Swing Kids’, ‘Pearl Harbor’, and the ‘Great Escape’ that it kind of blows my mind that they have ignored some of the really great movie concepts that happened during WW2.  First and foremost I would love to see a movie about the Japanese Americans in Italy during WW2.  If you want to talk about the best America has to offer, it is them.  Despite their families being interned they went to fight, and got more Medals of Honor than anyone else in American history.

      I would also like to see a movie about the siege of Berlin.  I think in the last days of the war too many people think that the average German soldier was fighting because they were fanatical.  For the most part that was not the case.  Desertion meant being publicly hanged, and even if your own government didn’t get you who would you surrender to?  The Russians?  I think not.  I would sooner put a bullet in my own head because at least than I knew I would not get tortured for sport.

      I also think that a movie portraying Japanese savagery towards the Chinese would be good on an educational level.  Or perhaps the Bataan Death march.  I think the inhumanity that made up the Nazis is pretty well covered, but Japan gets more of a pass IMO and people should know the truth.

      posted in World War II History
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    • WW2 movies, the most/least accurate.

      I was just watching “Allied” with Brad Pitt, and it is not a bad movie but the fact that they keep showing the Blitz in 1944 as D-day is about to start drives me nuts.  I had to turn my brain off in a major way to enjoy the movie.  But it got me thinking, and I figured I would post something to other WW2 geeks about it.

      What is the most/least accurate WW2 movie you have seen?  The least, and the worst for me was “Swing Kids”.  That is the only movie I paid money for at the theater and walked out on because I couldn’t stand it.  Apparently the Nazis hated dancing (and presumably kittens and rainbows too).

      The best movie would be “Saving Private Ryan”.  Once you get past the premise of the movie they were really spot on historically.  I didn’t care for the ending as much since it seemed like the Germans just loved running into gunfire, but no movie is perfect.

      What do you think?

      posted in World War II History
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    • RE: Historically stupid people

      In college I had 2 African History classes (not ‘African American, African’).  My prof. had gone to Africa many times for conferences and what not and he said it would get heated as all hell in them because no matter how civil the discussion started it always devolved into “YOU SOLD US!”

      The term “African American” is a term used by stupid people too.  It is not impossible to find out where you came from in Africa (I took 2 classes in college and I am a white guy).  Africa is a continent, and that term is just laziness.  If you don’t care where you are from, fine.  Plenty of other people from other parts of the world who came here don’t know; but they don’t pretend to care either.  If you do care, educate yourself because when you say “I am an African American”… sorry, you sound ignorant.

      posted in World War II History
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    • RE: Famous WW2 quotes needed

      I see your Rommel quote, and raise you a quote about Rommel:

      “There exists a real danger that our friend Rommel is becoming a kind of magician or bogeyman to our troops, who are talking far too much about him. He is by no means a superman, although he is undoubtedly very energetic and able. Even if he were a superman, it would still be highly undesirable that our men should credit him with supernatural powers. I wish you to dispel by all possible means the idea that Rommel represents something more than an ordinary German general. Please ensure that this order is put into immediate effect, and impress upon all commanders, that from the psychological point of view, it is a matter of the highest importance. Signed, C.J. Auchinleck, General, Commander-In-Chief, M.E.F.”

      The funny thing about Rommel is that he had the same nickname from both sides of the war, “That bastard Rommel”.  The Germans would say things like “That bastard Rommel has the Brits on the run again!”, and the English would say things like “That bastard Rommel is attacking our flank!”

      posted in General Discussion
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    • RE: Bismarck crippling Swordfish pilot has died

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KecIdlEAKhU

      posted in World War II History
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    • RE: Mein dum Kanph

      Thank you, but I have to admit I stole that from Bobby Jindal.  I should have referenced him.

      “Let’s be really honest about this: Immigration without assimilation is not immigration; it’s an invasion,” he said. “When you look at what’s happening in Europe, you’ve got second and third generation immigrants that don’t consider themselves parts of those societies, those cultures, those values. We mustn’t let that happen here.”

      posted in World War II History
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    • RE: Mein dum Kanph

      @KurtGodel7:

      @Zooey72:

      Thought I would update this

      https://www.yahoo.com/news/hitlers-mein-kampf-becomes-german-bestseller-publisher-112022916.html

      Not sure what to make of that.  If I had to guess the reason it is selling so well is because people haven’t been allowed to see it.  I doubt it is any kind of validation of Hitler.  I think the reason it is probably doing so well is because if you were raised being told that your country was resp. for the most evil man who ever lived, you might be curious to want to read the book when it became legal.

      I am aware of the Merkel thing and immigration, and there may be some stupid people who are getting it for that reason.  But they are just that… stupid.  Hitler made Muslim extremist honorary Aryans, and they were in the SS because they were a good fit (being fanatical crazies).

      Anyhow, just thought it was interesting.

      I’d like to address your point about Merkel and immigration.

      First, I’d divide all ideologies into two categories: particularist and universalist. If for example a Jew is willing to sacrifice the interests of Palestinians in order to benefit Jews, that’s particularism. If a Palestinian is willing to sacrifice Jewish interests to benefit Palestinians, that’s also particularism. “My country, right or wrong, but my country” is an expression of particularism. The National Socialists were particularists: their objective was to benefit Germanic and Nordic ethnies, if necessary at the expense of other ethnies or non-white geographic races. The existence of a threat to one’s ethny tends to heighten ethnocentrism. One sees that heightened level of ethnocentrism on both sides of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict, and in most other cases where an ethny’s existence is threatened.

      The question then arises: is Angela Merkel’s ideology particularist or universalist? Her policy calls for Germany to accept almost unlimited numbers of migrants from Third World nations. Such policies will (and are) causing the extinction of the German ethny, and its physical replacement with non-white Middle Easterners. This threat to the German ethny’s existence does not involve the drama of extermination bombing raids, firestorms, or forced deportations of millions of Germans. Instead, its effect is to use the slow, inexorable pressure of demographics to cause the extinction of the German ethny. (And more generally of the white race in Western and Central Europe.)

      Throughout human history, it has been exceedingly rare for a nation to voluntarily accept large numbers of immigrants. The normal immigration policy is an outright ban, except perhaps for a few special cases. For Merkel’s immigration policy to be universalist, it would need to be part of a broader effort to pressure all the nations of the world to discard this traditional immigration policy in favor of a “destroy the native ethny” policy that Germany has adopted. For example, both China and India have truly massive populations. Opening the border between the two could result in large numbers of Chinese immigrants into India, and large numbers of Indian immigrants into China. With the right immigration policy and the right financial incentives, both ethnies could be destroyed/blended together. By the same token, Israel could be caused to lose its unique Jewish identity, for example by flooding it with large numbers of immigrants from Latin America or Sub-Saharan Africa or India. (Israel accepts only Jewish immigrants.) The same could be done to Palestine to cause it to lose its unique Middle Eastern/Muslim identity.

      However, no major players are pushing for any of this. Not Angela Merkel. Not the major media companies or plutocrats who stand behind Merkel. Not colleges or universities. No one within the Establishment is pushing for this kind of immigration policy for any non-white nation. Merkel’s immigration policy is highly particularist: traditionally white nations are asked to surrender their racial identities. The idea of asking any non-white nation to do the same is of course not even mentioned.

      The Middle East’s problems are due to poverty, corruption, unequal distribution of wealth, overpopulation, and poor treatment of women. Paying large numbers of Middle Easterners to come to Germany, and to do nothing other than have babies and exist off the government dole, does not represent a serious attempt to solve any of those problems. If the goal was to benefit the Middle East, Merkel’s policy would be completely irrational. If on the other hand the goal were to cause the extinction of the German ethny, and of the white race within Germany, Merkel’s immigration policy would be highly rational. Merkel’s immigration policy is rabidly anti-German particularism. As such, it can only be embraced by self-hating Germans or self-hating whites. Anti-Nazi propaganda is therefore drummed into white children’s heads from a very early age, in order to create that self-hatred.

      You make some valid points and I agree with some and not others.  But being a WW2 site, and a thread about Mein Kamph; Hitler’s perspective on America and immigration is appropriate.  I won’t attempt the direct quote, so here is me paraphrasing it.

      America is to be feared because people around the world (mostly Europe to him) will abandon their entire lives and culture to go to America AND ADOPT American culture.  The type of person who does this is the best the world has to offer, and America is made stronger for it.

      Hitler was not referencing droves of refugees coming into a country being a strength.  Being poor is not a virtue, it is an economic condition.  What he was talking about was that it was hard to come to America because getting in meant you had to have something to offer.  If you have something to offer why leave your country of origin and abandon your own culture?  The immigrants who came here did (relatively) well in their own countries, but wanted more.  He viewed America as siphoning off the world’s best in a macro kind of way (not every engineer or doctor would come here, but the guy who was a ‘doer’ in his own country would come).

      To your larger point, historically you are correct.  Look at the Austria-Hungarian empire as an example of how this kind of thing never works out.  You must have a shared culture.  The Irish who came here were not liked, but they CONTRIBUTED/ADDED to our culture (or at least one day a year we all get drunk).  You can not have any group of people come into another culture and not assimilate.  Immigration without assimilation is invasion.  Diversity can be a good thing in small doses, but even than it is not essential.  There is zero diversity in Japan and China and they are cleaning our clock in academics.

      posted in World War II History
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    • RE: Mein dum Kanph

      Thought I would update this

      https://www.yahoo.com/news/hitlers-mein-kampf-becomes-german-bestseller-publisher-112022916.html

      Not sure what to make of that.  If I had to guess the reason it is selling so well is because people haven’t been allowed to see it.  I doubt it is any kind of validation of Hitler.  I think the reason it is probably doing so well is because if you were raised being told that your country was resp. for the most evil man who ever lived, you might be curious to want to read the book when it became legal.

      I am aware of the Merkel thing and immigration, and there may be some stupid people who are getting it for that reason.  But they are just that… stupid.  Hitler made Muslim extremist honorary Aryans, and they were in the SS because they were a good fit (being fanatical crazies).

      Anyhow, just thought it was interesting.

      posted in World War II History
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    • The enemy of world wide capitalism DIES!

      ON BLACK FRIDAY!

      You really could not ask for a better irony than that!  The only thing that could have made it better is if he were stampeded by a bunch of shoppers.

      (modified to add, I am talking about Castro if you didn’t know)

      posted in General Discussion
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    • Historically stupid people

      I have been hearing some really stupid things lately with the election (not just from one side), but I mention these 2 not to talk politics, but to show how historically stupid people are.  So this IS NOT a political post.  It is a post observing how horrid our educational system is, that a good chunk of people believe the following 2 things.  If anyone has any other historical stuff like my 2 examples feel free to throw em on.

      First one I hear from some truly stupid people is that we forced Japan to attack because we cut off trade with them.  While that statement on it’s own is factually true, the people who make this argument come at it from the point of America being the bad guy *we forced poor Japan to attack us).  They either don’t know, or don’t care the reason we stopped giving them oil and metal is so that they would stop their genocidal war in China.  America was not the bad guy in this, unless you make the argument we should have cut off trade right when Japan became expansionist.

      Second is the Civil War and the “3/5 human” argument when it comes to slaves.  Stupid people like to use this argument to show how evil slavery is, but in reality the people who wanted slaves to count as a full person were the slave owners.  There was no way that slaves were going to vote pre-civil war, but if you count them as a full person the South would have gotten more reps. and more electoral votes.  You could even make the argument stupid people (whether they know it or not) are arguing that slavery should have been maintained because if you counted slaves as a full person Lincoln would have lost the election and the Civil War would never have happened.

      The reason I bring this up is that I am seeing just a ton of really stupid people lately thinking they are History Profs. because they know a fraction of isolated history.  I know it is because of the craziness after the election… but for god’s sake they need to shut up.

      I think this is the best response:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZeHq7J9aHM

      posted in World War II History
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    • RE: Hiroshima visit, a missed op.

      Ok, you went for absurd and got it; but I don’t know the point you are trying to make.

      posted in World War II History
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    • Hiroshima visit, a missed op.

      I am not going to get political on Obama going there and talking about the horrors of nuclear weapons.  No one is going to dispute that A-bombs are bad.  If you want to drive that one into the ground that is fine, no one is going to argue that (you could put that right next to ‘smoking is bad for you’, as far as common knowledge goes).

      What I think the speech should have included though is remembering American strength during WW2.  The islamo crazies are not the first willing to kill themselves for their cause, Japan was a country full of like minded people and they lost.  Say something like “Whether it be men crashing planes into ships, or men crashing them into buildings we will not be detoured in our fight against evil regardless of the fanatiscism of our enemy”.  I would go further in regards to Putin and 'Little Kim" and probably quote Reagan “We must tell to our enemies there is a price we will not pay, there is a line that which they must not advance”, and in some way connect that to Nazi Germany in comparison.  I would also close the whole thing with how through the Marshall Plan we rebuilt Germany and Japan and they are both strong allies of the U.S.

      I know some here may think it is a bit tactless to give a speech like that at Hiroshima, but I think that is one of the big hypocrisies of WW2 and how it is remembered.  As bad as Japan was, and despite the atrocities they committed they have never owned what they did the way the Germans was (rightfully) forced to.  If a speech like the one I described was given at Dresden no one would bat an eye lash because everyone knows the Nazis ‘got what they deserved’.  I would contend the larger fanatics were easily in Japan.  While the SS were willing to fight and die, even most of them would probably not commit suicide rather than face defeat.

      posted in World War II History
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    • Korean turned Jap, becomes a comrade before joining the Nazis and surrendering.

      https://www.warhistoryonline.com/war-articles/korean-soldier-fights-multiple-armies-wwii.html

      It looks like spam, but it isn’t.  Talk about “Join the army and see the world!”

      We ended up with him last; and I know this isn’t right but…  Maybe we should have enlisted him to fight in the Korean war lol.

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    • RE: Mein dum Kanph

      @Der:

      The history most of us have been exposed to was written by the victors. People should also read what the vanquished had to say about the war in order to get a balanced view. The immature view that in WWII the Axis were all the “bad guys” and the Allies were all the “good guys” really should not thrive like it does in this information age.

      You are right about this kind of thing, but only on boards like this can you have a conversation about it.  I can’t stand idiots who think that Nazis twirled their mustaches as they tied maidens to railroad tracks.  That is comic book evil, and people who do that are the ones who would allow another Hitler to come about because they are too stupid to see real evil.  Their excuse would be “he is not evil, I see no horns, tail, or pitch fork”.

      I had a prof. in college who really couldn’t find her ass with both hands, but she taught a WW2 class.  She said “And the evil Nazis started a program in the 30’s geared at people who had extra food to contribute it so that other hungry Germans could eat”.  Uh, so you are saying you hate the Salvation Army?  Their is so much real evil the Nazis did there is no reason to make crap up.  I mocked her a bit, and probably shouldn’t have.  I asked her why they didn’t declare war on rainbows and kittens.

      In the end people prefer their demons to facts.  Our civil war is a great example.  Slavery is the popular reason people think their was a war.  But the real reason was tax appropriations, tariffs, and where the railroads would be built.  At the end of the war, some slaves fought for the south (Sherman burned down their homes too).  Lincoln said prior to the war he was willing to make an “unammendalble ammendment” (which is unconstitional) that where slavery exists now, it will always exist.  People ultimately don’t want to put too much thought into this kind of thing, and that is why we have such a black and white way of teaching history.

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    • RE: Sturmgewehr 1944

      @dezrtfish:

      One thing I thought I would mention, when you look at the rifle the outline is similar to the AK, bu tup close it apears and is much more technical.  Like with most German designs from that time.  Also when you pick it up you notice a big difference  It’s suprisingly heavy, I would say twice the weight of a modern military rifle.   Definately a solid steel weapon.

      I went to a WW2 re-enactment and held one too.  It is heavy when compared to an M16.  It made me think of how the Nam soldiers thought the M16 was a toy gun because it was made out of plastic.  If you were used to carrying around something that heavy and solid I can see why you would think that.

      I have posted before about this weapon, and will state my opinion again.  WW2 geeks like us like to speculate about “which weapon would have won Germany the wary”.  Not counting the atomic bomb, this is the weapon.  Jets, rockets, and big tanks may be sexy; but at leasting doubling the combat capacity of every soldier is a war winner.  The USSR would have surrendered in 1941 IMO, and that would have pretty much ended the war.

      Luckily Hitler went for flashy instead of practical.  Big expensive King Tigers, and even the Me-262 (which were effective, but not a war winner) is what he wanted.  You give every soldier a sturmgewr, and throw in some night goggles (the Germans had developed those too) and that wins Germany the war.

      Other than the A-bomb Germany dominated technology during the war.  I think the 88 is an amazing piece of equipment.  It started, and ended the war being the most dominant artillery piece on the battlefield.  That says a lot when you consider many countries started the war using bi-planes, and Germany ended it with Jets; and us with the atomic bomb.

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    • RE: The Great Depression and now.

      I was not trying to assign blame during interwar Germany, just stating what had happened.  Germany was in a shambles after WW1, and demanding reparations that Germany could not pay made things very much worse.  It caused hyperinflation and the stories you have probably read about people using buckets full of money to buy a loaf of bread.  That wiped out the average German’s savings and was a catastrophe for the economy in general (imagine if all of your money suddenly had the value of a Peso).  During that time Hitler attempted his coup which failed.  American loans is what stabilized the German economy in the mid to later part of the 20’s, and is why the Nazis did so badly at the polls.  Those loans got called in, the German’s couldn’t pay… and than we had the Great Depression (Germany was in debt up to it’s eyeballs not just from our loans, but from old war loans and the reparations you mentioned).

      The situation right now is a bit different in that out of our 20 or so trillion in debt, only 1 trillion is to the Chinese.  Since the world economy is based off the dollar we have pretty much been writing IOU’s to ourselves for the rest of it.  However for the last several years we have been running over a trillion dollar deficit each year.  We pay off the interest of our debt using more debt that we pay an even higher interest on.  Proportionally our debt to the Chinese is not as high as the German debt was to us, but we can afford it even less than what the Germans could if those loans are called in.  On our current course the math is inevitable, we will default and the whole thing will fall apart.  My point is that instead of this taking decades for us to commit suicide, this could happen in years if the Chinese economy collapses.  Unless we change things for the long term our fate is sealed.  If the Chinese call in our debt in the next few years we are just dead men walking because any kind of ‘reform’ would not have had enough time to be effective.

      And to the point of “The Chinese would not call it in, because it would wreck their economy too”.  That is true to an extent, but we also knew that in 1929 but we still called in the debt owed us because of the panic.

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    • The Great Depression and now.

      I don’t know how many of you follow the stock market, but it has been stagnant the last year and has dropped a ton in the last week.  Most of the reason for that is because of an overestimation of the Chinese economy.  The first day of the New Year their stock market dropped 7 percent, and the government shut it down for the day to stop the fall.  The market does this kind of thing from time to time, but while I was watching the fall I was flipping back and forth with the History channel and I saw a similarity between than and now.

      Before I state this, I really don’t want to talk politics.  And I do respect the people here for their knowledge of WW2, and in that please don’t be one of those jackasses that says “Hillary Clinton is Hitler”, or “Trump is Hitler”.  Where ever you stand politically if you have any WW2 knowledge you should know statements like that are usually made by idiots on either side who have no knowledge of the Nazis or Hitler.  That being said…

      I know most of you know the reason for the Great Depression, but I would like to focus on how it hit Germany.  The Nazis gained no traction during the 20’s because the economy was doing well.  That was largely due to loans given out from the U.S. that were not secure.  Hitler ran on that, saying that if these loans went bad Germany was screwed.  I believe they got 2 percent of the vote because people just did not care.  However, once the American economy collapsed and the debts were called in Germany really was hit hard.

      Fast forward to now.  We have the largest economy in the world, but we are severely in debt to China.  If the Chinese economy goes bad, and they call in that debt we will have “The Greatest Depression” IMO.  The way we spend right now we can’t even stop borrowing much less pay down the princable.  When that first Chinese domino falls on us, we let loose with the rest of the chain reaction that causes the rest of the world’s economy to collapse.

      Scary stuff.  I am hoping smarter people than me in China would see that and not try to call in the debt all at once, but in the 30’s we were not that smart and made our situation worse by killing our customer’s economy (the rest of the world’s economy) which only compounded a bad situation.

      Lastly, to emphasize again this is not to be political.  People on the right have talked about our debt for quite a while, that does not make them Nazis.  Hitler happened to be right on a single issue (don’t take out unsecured debt), but that did not lead to WW2, much less the Holocaust.  Even a broken watch is right twice a day.

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