Posts made by Zooey72

@F_alk:

@Jennifer:

Perhaps there’s a reason for the anti-French sentiment found in the world today, CC?

(1) USA =NOT= world.
(2) And, you would be surprised. The world does not have an anti-French sentiment. It has an anti-USA-sentiment.

  Even if they determine, through their open minded self examination, that it’s not their fault.  (Much like that geek in elementary school determines that the entire school is picking on him or her for no reason….it can’t be because s/he doesnt fit in, right?)

Now, read again the corrections to the first and second mistake you made.

Falk, I wish you would stop with this kind of thing.  Maybe in your socialist world some those people may not dislike the French, but the majority of people do.  This is not something to argue about, you are wrong.  I have met 100s of people throughout the world and almost every single one of them have had nothing nice to say about the French.  Hey, go on an international chat room and ask what people think of the french.

If you believe otherwise you are living in a fantasy world.  As with anything that does not match what you believe, you go into denial.

You are also right about people not liking Americans, that’s all fine and good.  But you are insane to think that the vast majority of the world has anything but disdain for the French, and deserevedly so.

A man comes home from work and says to his wife anxiously “Hurry, get me a beer!  It’s going to start any minute now!”.  Confused she goes to the fridge and gets him a beer.  As he his drinking it he chokes out, “get me another one!  It’s going to start any second!”  Agravated she gets another beer and gives it to him.  “Just ONE more beer, It’s about to start!!!”

Finaly the wife says “LISTEN!  I clean your house, wash your clothes, raise your kids… and if YOU think you are just going to come home and plop your fat @$$ on the couch and drink beer you have another thing coming!!”

Depressed the man looks down at the ground and says “Damn, it started”

The new things really did help the game a lot.  I read the above posters link and I agree with most of it, esp. with how they addressed the “Clumping”.  I am not sure what you mean by old strats, because I am not sure what those were for you.  For us it was typicaly all out attack on Germany by the allies, Germany holds out for as long as it can while Japan would creep up.  It basicaly went down to who got Berlin/Moscow first.

The old strats work, but they have thrown a lot of curves.  Weapons development is a viable option now since you can choose what you get instead of spending a lot of $ and getting super subs.  The Eastern Front… with what they have done to it with the new territories would take longer than I care to go into to explain it.  But as per the old game, the war is won and lost there.  So the strat of “feeding Russia” is still a sound one.

One part of the game that I have not explored is the option of the US going into the pacific in a big way.  Of course, the pressure off Germany is a huge reason not to do it, and it was hardly ever done in the old game.  But the increased value of the islands make it more attractive.

The Jap rush through Asia to get to moscow to take pressure off of Germany is still there, but has been tuned down a bit.  The IPC you take from Russia is not as great, and India has more of a hitorical role now as being a “strong point” for the allies.  It always bothered me that the UK fleet in the Indian ocean in the old game was represented by 1 transport.

I could go on, but it is Christmas so I am going to cut it short.  The old strats work, but you have to find a new way to implement them.

I was only able to get to see the old one, but thanks.

If any of you are Simpsons fans I am sure you can appreciate this (or already know it).  It is a spoof off the old “school house rock” cartoons they used to play when I was a kid (I’m only a bill).  I just have the lyrics to it, still looking for a download of it.  Anyone have any ideas where I can go to find it?

http://www.stlyrics.com/lyrics/thesimpsons/imanammendment.htm

@cystic:

@Zooey72:

DING DING DING!  Round 1 billion of IL and Falk!

You ever see “As Good as it gets”?  Falk kinda reminds me of jack from that.  Very anal, can occasionaly make a good point, but what you mostly notice about him is the way he attacks people (usualy without provocation) and leaves you sitting there stunned thinking to yourself “wow, I can’t believe that jerk said that” (notice, I said “to yourself”.  would never call you a jerk here, but I can still think it).  :evil:

utterly pointless.
If you posted this about IL i would feel the same way.
useless post . . . .

You’re right CC.  I started reading this thread and was just blown away that falk could get so insulting over a post that is about how the world spins.  I agree with IL a lot, and you falk, but this post should be a common ground don’t you think?  Why did Falk chose to post the way he did?  What it tells me is that he has such a need to be proven right that all else gets thrown out the window.  I just had to laugh about it when I read it, and it led me to the comparison from the movie.

Think about it, this post is about the spinning of the world!

DING DING DING!  Round 1 billion of IL and Falk!

You ever see “As Good as it gets”?  Falk kinda reminds me of jack from that.  Very anal, can occasionaly make a good point, but what you mostly notice about him is the way he attacks people (usualy without provocation) and leaves you sitting there stunned thinking to yourself “wow, I can’t believe that jerk said that” (notice, I said “to yourself”.  would never call you a jerk here, but I can still think it).  :evil:

There is a quote from “Rudy” that I like as far as this goes.  "I have been in the Church over 30 years and I only absolutely sure of 2 things.  1)There is a God.  2)I am not him.

Any true follower of any “form” of God should take those 2 things to heart.  To assume otherwise would be to “assume to know the mind of God”.  This is specificaly true of Christians (or at least the people who claim to follow Jesus).  What happened to your humility?  Just skip those parts because you didn’t like them?

I don’t even pray for anything because I feel that is presumptious.  Who the heck am I to know what is good for me?  I am sure Job didn’t like what was happening to him, but those are the brakes.  There is only one thing I pray for, and that is to have the strength to do whatever it is that God wants me to do.  To ask for anymore than that is arrogance.

@Mary:

@Zooey72:

@Mary:

Who would Jesus execute?

Who would jesus have not follow him?  Are you penniless and have no home depending only on God for survival?

So knock off the Jesus crap, people only use him as a refrence when it suits their argument.  They should focus that energy and take the plank out of their own eye.  If you don’t know what that means, I suggest you read the gospel.

if we’re quoting, let’s do the whole thing: “And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and; behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.””

How is talking about Jesus’s message of non-violence being hypocritical? Where have I advocated violence or killing people on this messageboard?

I didn’t say you were being a hypocrite.  I am saying you are picking and choosing from the gospel what you want, calling others sinners and not looking at how you do not follow him either.  Nice to see the exact quote again mary, but I have a bible.  I know it.  Don’t throw stones was my argument (and get rid of your plank), and it is backed by the gospel.  Or is God giving you the ability to post here?  Nope, it is the computer you own.  I don’t believe in the death penalty either, but I don’t  pick and choose what christ said to back up how I believe… unless it suits me.

Jesus’s message also meant that if you saw your child murdered right in front of you, you should not even try to stop the person commiting the act (by any violent means).  Can you do that?  I don’t think you could.  So like I said, you are picking and choosing to suit your own beliefs and claim that it is backed by Christ.  Whether you are Christian or not, you sure sound like one.  All Christians reguardless of the sect do exactly what you are doing now.

We share one thing in common, I know the gospel well, and I think you do too.  And neither of us consider ourselves Christian.  I think (and you may dissagree) that being a Christian by normal measures has nothing to do with what Christ actualy said.  If I had to guess, I think that is why you don’t consider yourself one either.

@Yanny:

Terrorists do not have the physical ability to kill that many people. They do not have the the means to provide a serious actual threat to Americans in America. It’s all psychological.

Want to win a victory over the terrorists? Stop caring. On 9/12, send the troops to Afganistan, capture Osama Bin Ladin, and don’t get all worked up about it.

Those who have committed no crimes had nothing to fear from Joseph Stalin right? The Gestapo didn’t concern those who were good, law abiding German citizens.

All those Democratic Senators were in shock like 99% of the rest of us. Not only that, but they intentionally sunsetted the bill. It’s time for the bill to sunset. It will be repassed, but there will be judicial and congressional oversight (In the past, a half dozen members of each house were given the intelligence but weren’t allowed to speak about it), and it will indeed sunset again. There are good things in the Patriot Act, and there are also some bad things.

Terrorism is one big psychological frenzy. It was really scary watching on 9/11, trust me I was scared too. There is a hill in my town where I was able to see the towers burning. But now it’s time to be rational again.

Guess who that one Senator who voted against the bill was? If I had to retrieve a guess from you, I’d be you would respond to me Ted Kennedy, or John Kerry, or another super-liberal. Russ Feingold, a moderate and bi-partisan, was the only one to oppose the act.

Once Rome lost it’s democracy, it never returned.

Rome didn’t get back it’s Democracy once it lost it.

The fact you posted this Yanny shows you are wrong.  You compared our government to the Nazis and Stalin’s Russia.  If we were anywhere near that do you think someone would not be knocking on your door right now with a free ticket to the gulag (sp?) or concentration camp?  Do you think Hitler or Stalin would have put up with a “loud mouth” like you?  Evil GWB could of had you killed by posting this if the extreme you are talking about were true, but you weren’t because this is AMERICA.

You lose credibility when you compare us to states like that.  As much as you want to hype it, the PA is not the Nuremberg laws… sorry.

@F_alk:

You are at war because a conservative think tank made plans, 9-11 allowed to strike one country, and the people behind GWB used the impetus. …
So, both the “keep them scared” and the “Iraq is a strategic position” are right.
If you don’ t believe it, look at this:
http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf

Of course, invading a strategic position for no other reason than it being a strategic position is an offensive war and should be heavily sanctioned, as it is illegal by international laws and contracts that even the USA signed.
I think, next time i wait for a train or something like that, i will look out for a strategic position and kill the person that stands on it. After all, it is a strategic position.

Falk,

I have been reading: http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf off and on for a couple of days.  It is long, and I have christmas shopping to do, so sue me.  I am about 1/2 way done.  It is interesting as hell, I will give you that.  So far as what I have read, I think the plan they had was a sound one.

One thing though, where did you get this from?  I would hope that our politicians would not need pictures to get the point?  Go ahead, slam Bush… I know you want to. lol

The whole idea of it seems is to keep the US on top by providing a stable global enviorment.  SH was an evil man (and unpopular), I think we all agree on that.  We get our bases, the Iraqis get their freedom.  Seems like a “win win” to me.  As far as the war is concerned, we are fighting radicals that are for the most part not even Iraqi.

The threat that a US presence in Iraq has to Iraq’s neighbors is reason enough for me to believe the war is well worth it.  Even just the show of force got Libya to repent their ways, and Libya is not even close to Iraq.

@cystic:

@Zooey72:

@cystic:

@Zooey72:

Funny you quoted him, many liberals like the quotes of a man sentenced to death telling his captors pretty much anything they wanted to hear.

I had no idea you had such great respect for high ranking National Socialist and their views on politics!  Are you a practicing member?  Him “seeing the light” before he was executed makes great quotes for people like you… never mind the other things he did (I know, he killed himself).  Yes, we should all look at the US as the next Nazi Germany with Cheney being the new Goering or some other such nonsense.

Yep, pick and chose your quotes.  At least your hypocrisy is not limited to religious text.

If you could shoot the way that you could pick out the point in a post, then you couldn’t hit the f**king ground!
I have no respect for the evil that these people have wrought - just comparing their agendas and methods to the man you worship in Washington.

You missed the point, when he said those things he was about to die.  You take what he says as being his agenda and not that he was trying to aviod being hung.  WW2 magazine had an article on his surrender this month, the man is a pompous a** who would do anything to save his own neck.  But since he said something that you agree with than he is comepletely right?

again you missed the point.  You are really terrible with this.  It is not that i agree with him or that he is completely right, but rather i am seeing GW acting as though inspired by this bit of “wisdom”. 
And if you ever judge me as being sympathetic to a Nazi again simply because i use a quote from him to decry a pointless war, i’m ignoring you.  This b.s. personal insult thing that you do in order to try to discredit my position is really tiresome.

The fear angle?  If there is such a thing both sides play it.  Falk is talking about a “conservative think tank” that controlled wheter we went to war or not, like it is the illumanti or something.  The evil men in Washington are puppeteers pulling our strings, always lying…  so don’t trust them… trust us!

it’s just when you see them lying, manipulating information etc. it is easy to consider it difficult to trust them - especially when their lies have the kinds of consequences that we are seeing Americans suffer.

Ok CC, I thought you could see the sarcasm in what I said.  I thought it was blatant, but I guess not.  So here it is, I don’t think you are at all sympathetic to the Nazis or their leadership.  MY POINT is that goering told his captors what they wanted to hear.  Much like good ole tookie was probably doing for the last couple of decades trying to avoid being killed.  Just because what he said strikes some kind of wisdom in your heart when it applies to GWB does not excuse the fact that those things were said under the circumstance of him being put to death.  He said a lot of crap to get out of being killed, “Hitler did it all” etc etc.  You picked the show boat of the Nazi party to claim this revelation.  He had what I would call a “parade” of vehicles come in with him when he surrendered (you should get WW2 mag.  great stuff in that).  Why pick these quotes at this time?  Because it backs what you believe?  That is being selective as hell as far as “the intelegence” you want to look at (I put it that way because of the accusations against Bush being selective).

You took what you wanted from the quote, and ignored everything else.  This is an A&A board, I know you know how goering was (as do most of the posters here).  Don’t you think it “propaganda” that you posted his quotes w/o telling all the facts?

I do apolagize if you took it as me calling you a Nazi sympathizer.  I thought the sarcasm of my post was very straight forward.  I have an opinion of you CC, and not all of it is nice, but one thing I don’t for one second believe is that you are a Nazi sypathizer.  If anything, you are the opposite.  My criticism is that your post was meant to be “a revelation” into the sick mind of GWB (and btw, being an American I do take offense that you compare our leaders to the Nazis… but I guess that is ok since it is GWB).

And Mein Kamp falk… well, I don’t remember GWB trying to mount a coup (god, please don’t bring up the elections of 2000) or spending prison time and writing an auto biography detailing his plans to invade Iraq.  A “think tank”?  I am sure that we have plans somewhere to invade the arctic, that does not make those plans our policy.

I thought you said it was a christmas concert, how is that multi-cultural?  It’s cute as hell, I will give you that.

@ncscswitch:

On a side note (and sorry for the off-topic), it is a shame that it takes a non-practicing eclectic neo-pagan that was raised Lutheran to tell a Christian their own history in terms of the books that are and are not in their Bible, when they were selected, and when they were removed.

Doesn’t anyone do a Catechism anymore?  Doesn;t anyone take Comparative Religion?  Doesn;t anyone ever read any of the myth cycles of other cultures?

I’d probably REALLY blow folks away if I mentioned that the Gospels and the story of Jesus Christ is almost verbatim the myth cycle of Zoroastrianism, a minor religion in areas of the Middle East (modern Israel, Lebanon, Jordan and Syria primarily) that was popular in the 2nd and 3rd century BCE. (about 300 years before the time of Yeshuah of Nazareth)

Is this directed at me?  Hey buddy, I’m not a Christian.  I have just read the bible (esp. the gospel) and think that it has some merit.  I have read other religions too, like the one you mentioned.  Which was the first religion to adopt a “God” and a “Satan” in the way the bible does (as well as angels).  Many think it is what Christianity was based off of.  There are still a few left (when I read about them years ago it was estimated at 100k), but not many.  Their “burial” is wierd too, (if you can call it a burial).  They leave the body out in the open to be eaten by vultures and what not.

If I was to pick any religion that is closest to what I believe it would have to be the baha’i.  I don’t buy all of it, but most of it sounds good (I don’t agree that ALL religions have something worth studying.  Shinto and confucianism are crap IMO).  I have never spoken to a practicing member because I don’t want the illusion to be destroyed.  Christianity sounds good from the gospel, than talk to a “Christian” and see how they practice it.  Not usualy the same thing at all.

@cystic:

@Zooey72:

Funny you quoted him, many liberals like the quotes of a man sentenced to death telling his captors pretty much anything they wanted to hear.

I had no idea you had such great respect for high ranking National Socialist and their views on politics!  Are you a practicing member?  Him “seeing the light” before he was executed makes great quotes for people like you… never mind the other things he did (I know, he killed himself).  Yes, we should all look at the US as the next Nazi Germany with Cheney being the new Goering or some other such nonsense.

Yep, pick and chose your quotes.  At least your hypocrisy is not limited to religious text.

If you could shoot the way that you could pick out the point in a post, then you couldn’t hit the f**king ground!
I have no respect for the evil that these people have wrought - just comparing their agendas and methods to the man you worship in Washington.

You missed the point, when he said those things he was about to die.  You take what he says as being his agenda and not that he was trying to aviod being hung.  WW2 magazine had an article on his surrender this month, the man is a pompous ass who would do anything to save his own neck.  But since he said something that you agree with than he is comepletely right?

The fear angle?  If there is such a thing both sides play it.  Falk is talking about a “conservative think tank” that controlled wheter we went to war or not, like it is the illumanti or something.  The evil men in Washington are puppeteers pulling our strings, always lying…  so don’t trust them… trust us!

Your quotes apply just as much to that as it does to GWB.  And in the end, they came from a high ranking Nazi that would have pushed his own mother down a flight of stairs to save his own life.

Funny you quoted him, many liberals like the quotes of a man sentenced to death telling his captors pretty much anything they wanted to hear.

I had no idea you had such great respect for high ranking National Socialist and their views on politics!  Are you a practicing member?  Him “seeing the light” before he was executed makes great quotes for people like you… never mind the other things he did (I know, he killed himself).  Yes, we should all look at the US as the next Nazi Germany with Cheney being the new Goering or some other such nonsense.

Yep, pick and chose your quotes.  At least your hypocrisy is not limited to religious text.

@ncscswitch:

Zooey, no offense but…

People who fall back on some divine, omnipotent, omnipresent divine entity as the basis and foundation of their arguments are rather annoying.  With such people, you can;t argue facts, you can;t use logic.  To debate with such a person is to pound your head on a wall of irrational, unreasoning putrescence of thought.

Some things are worth taking on faith (like what happens to your soul, if you have one, after you die).

But to rely on a text that was not codified as the Gospels until the Council of Nicene nearly 4 centuries after the life of a philosopher known as Yeshuah of Nazareth (Gospels which were selected after excluding hundreds of other writings and POTENTIAL gospels; and Gospels which were further edited by King James 4 centuries ago)…  And then to realize that ALL of those “written” Gospels were transcribed after an extended period of being passed via an oral tradition…

Well, let me just say that debating someone who uses a foundation of a 4 century long version of the Kindergarten Telephone Game played 2 millenia ago as the sole basis for their evaluation of modern society leaves something to be desired in the matter of both logic AND faith.

I would like to read some of the gospels that “didn’t make the grade” some time just to see how they go with the 4 they picked.

But some things need to be taken on faith.  I can understand someone only reading the gospel and not going any further, their faith telling them that although there was a lot of “revision” the message is still there because God willed it that way.  My problem is with the people who either never took the time to read the book they supposedly have dedicated their life to, or have butchered the content to suit their lifestyle.

This one is a no brainer, but I will spell it out agian.  Iraq is part of the war on terror, it has a strategic location that we can threaten just about every other country in the middle east from.  It’s people were not as fanatical as lets say, Iran or Saudi Arabia so it was thought that there would be less resistance (and there has been, most of the “insurgents” now are not Iraqi.)

You say you don’t want to be called a left wing nut job, but you say we went to war for oil.  That does not even warrant a response.  PBS?  BBC?  These are “balanced” but I am sure you think Fox news is Hitler TV right?

There were WMD in my opinion, where they are now is anyone’s guess and someone should be held accountable for them not being found… because I am sure they did/do exist.  IF SH was willing to give his airforce to a country he fought with for a decade rather than let us destroy it, what makes you think he wouldn’t do the same thing with his WMDs?  And as for you “no torture” people.  If we aren’t torturing SH we are fools.  Those WMDs could end up here.

Back to my original statement.  With troops in Iraq we can threaten anyone who supports terrorist.  That is a huge detterant IMO.  If more planes crash into buildings, more regime changes will be in order.  The leaders of these countries know this, and what assitance we have gotten from them is because of the fear of “we might be next”.

Lastly, this war was not fought over oil, but since you bring it up…

Oil isn’t a good enough reason to fight huh?  You willing to sink to 3rd world status overnight?  That’s what would happen if we did not have oil.  So unless you want to live out of a hut and have to hunt for food, you better be willing to fight for oil.

@cystic:

Ironically Mary is not a Christian (AFAIR) - nor am i using the gospel as a support against the death penalty, but rather to shoot down Christian arguments for it.

Than why the spiel about “who would jesus execute?”  Even if she isn’t Christian, she still shouldn’t take what she wants out of the Gospel and leave the rest and try to claim some moral authority by saying her opinion is backed by christ.

I have read “Mein Kamph” (for college).  If you pick and choose (edit heavily) sentences from it a picture can be painted of Hitler only being very patriotic and looking out for the best interests of the German people.  The truth is far from that, but if do to “Mein Kamph” what Christians and others do to the Bible than you can twist it to say just about anything.

The bible contradicts, the Gospel does not.  Chirst is very constant in his message.

@Yanny:

I’m no fan of capital punishment. I think it’s hipocratic and hurts our nation’s image. We are the only western nation still to execute people.

But while the law stands, it is still law. A jury of his peers sentenced Tookie to be executed. Let the decision stand.

I agree comepletly with this.  Back where I used to live (IL) the Govenor (who was against the death penalty) took every person off of death row before he left office.  No case by case basis, nothing, he didn’t like it, so he used his power to legislate in a way he was never intended to legislate.  This is one of the most horrible abuses of power I have ever seen.