Posts made by Zombie69

Zombie69

I didn’t know we were playing bidding rules where you can place more than one unit per territory, but considering what that bid did for you, I have no cause for complaint!

Zombie69

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II v5 1942 Second Edition, version: 1.9

Game History

Round: 3

Purchase Units - Russians
Russians buy 1 fighter and 6 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Russians
1 infantry moved from West Russia to Belorussia
1 fighter moved from West Russia to Belorussia
1 fighter moved from West Russia to Ukraine S.S.R.
2 infantry moved from Caucasus to Ukraine S.S.R.
3 armour, 3 artilleries and 12 infantry moved from West Russia to Karelia S.S.R.
1 submarine moved from 5 Sea Zone to 8 Sea Zone

Combat - Russians
Battle in Karelia S.S.R.
Russians attack with 3 armour, 3 artilleries and 12 infantry
Germans defend with 1 factory and 1 infantry
Russians roll dice for 3 armour, 3 artilleries and 12 infantry in Karelia S.S.R., round 2 : 4/18 hits
Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Karelia S.S.R., round 2 : 1/1 hits
1 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Karelia S.S.R.
Russians win, taking Karelia S.S.R. from Germans with 3 armour, 3 artilleries and 11 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
Battle in Belorussia
Russians attack with 1 fighter and 1 infantry
Germans defend with 1 infantry
Russians roll dice for 1 fighter and 1 infantry in Belorussia, round 2 : 1/2 hits
Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Belorussia, round 2 : 1/1 hits
1 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Belorussia
Russians win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
Battle in Ukraine S.S.R.
Russians attack with 1 fighter and 2 infantry
Germans defend with 1 infantry
Russians roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 2 : 2/3 hits
Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 2 : 1/1 hits
1 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Ukraine S.S.R.
Russians win, taking Ukraine S.S.R. from Germans with 1 fighter and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - Russians
2 aaGuns moved from West Russia to Karelia S.S.R.
1 infantry moved from Russia to West Russia
2 infantry moved from Evenki National Okrug to Novosibirsk
1 infantry moved from Russia to Kazakh S.S.R.
1 fighter moved from Belorussia to Russia
1 fighter moved from Ukraine S.S.R. to Caucasus
2 infantry moved from Russia to West Russia

Place Units - Russians
4 infantry placed in Caucasus
1 fighter and 2 infantry placed in Russia

Turn Complete - Russians
Russians collect 25 PUs; end with 25 PUs total

Territory Summary for Russians :

8 Sea Zone : 1 submarine
Caucasus : 2 artilleries, 1 factory, 1 fighter and 4 infantry
Evenki National Okrug : 3 infantry
Karelia S.S.R. : 2 aaGuns, 3 armour, 3 artilleries, 1 factory and 11 infantry
Kazakh S.S.R. : 1 infantry
Novosibirsk : 2 infantry
Russia : 1 factory, 2 fighters and 2 infantry
Ukraine S.S.R. : 1 flag, 1 infantry
West Russia : 1 flag, 3 infantry

Production/PUs Summary :

Russians : 25 / 25
Germans : 37 / 41
British : 30 / 30
Japanese : 38 / 40
Americans : 38 / 39

Dice Statistics:

Total
1 was rolled 12 times
2 was rolled 19 times
3 was rolled 2 times
4 was rolled 3 times
5 was rolled 13 times
6 was rolled 3 times
Average roll : 2.904
Median : 2.000
Variance : 4.863
Standard Deviation : 2.205
Total rolls : 52

Null / Other
1 was rolled 2 times
2 was rolled 5 times
5 was rolled 4 times
Average roll : 2.909
Median : 2.000
Variance : 2.900
Standard Deviation : 1.703
Total rolls : 11

Japanese Combat
1 was rolled 1 times
Average roll : 1.000
Median : 1.000
Variance : ?
Standard Deviation : ?
Total rolls : 1

Germans Combat
1 was rolled 2 times
2 was rolled 2 times
5 was rolled 2 times
Average roll : 2.667
Median : 2.000
Variance : 1.200
Standard Deviation : 1.095
Total rolls : 6

Russians Combat
1 was rolled 5 times
2 was rolled 7 times
3 was rolled 2 times
4 was rolled 3 times
5 was rolled 3 times
6 was rolled 3 times
Average roll : 3.043
Median : 2.000
Variance : 0.955
Standard Deviation : 0.977
Total rolls : 23

Americans Combat
1 was rolled 2 times
2 was rolled 5 times
5 was rolled 4 times
Average roll : 2.909
Median : 2.000
Variance : 2.900
Standard Deviation : 1.703
Total rolls : 11

Zombie69

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II v5 1942 Second Edition, version: 1.9

Game History

Round: 2

Purchase Units - Americans
Americans buy 3 bombers and 1 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs;

Combat Move - Americans
2 fighters moved from Central United States to 1 Sea Zone
1 destroyer moved from 11 Sea Zone to 1 Sea Zone
1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 2 fighters moved from 11 Sea Zone to 23 Sea Zone
1 armour moved from Western Canada to Alaska
1 infantry moved from Western Canada to Alaska
1 bomber moved from Eastern United States to 64 Sea Zone
1 bomber moved from United Kingdom to Germany

Combat - Americans
Battle in 64 Sea Zone
Americans attack with 1 bomber
Japanese defend with 1 transport
1 transport owned by the Japanese lost in 64 Sea Zone
Americans win with 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
Casualties for Japanese: 1 transport
Battle in Alaska
Americans attack with 1 armour and 1 infantry
Japanese defend with 1 infantry
Americans roll dice for 1 armour and 1 infantry in Alaska, round 2 : 1/2 hits
Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Alaska, round 2 : 1/1 hits
1 infantry owned by the Japanese and 1 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Alaska
Americans win, taking Alaska from Japanese with 1 armour remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
Casualties for Americans: 1 infantry
Battle in 1 Sea Zone
Americans attack with 1 destroyer and 2 fighters
Germans defend with 1 submarine
Americans roll dice for 1 destroyer and 2 fighters in 1 Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/3 hits
Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in 1 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits
1 submarine owned by the Germans lost in 1 Sea Zone
Americans win with 1 destroyer and 2 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
Casualties for Germans: 1 submarine
Battle in 23 Sea Zone
British loiter and taunt with ; Americans attack with 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 2 fighters
Germans defend with 1 submarine
Americans roll dice for 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 2 fighters in 23 Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/5 hits
Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in 23 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits
1 submarine owned by the Germans lost in 23 Sea Zone
Americans win with 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 2 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
Casualties for Germans: 1 submarine
Strategic bombing raid in Germany
AA fire in Germany : 0/1 hits
Bombing raid in Germany rolls: 1 and causes: 1 damage to unit: factory
Bombing raid in Germany causes 1 damage total.

Non Combat Move - Americans
1 bomber moved from Germany to United Kingdom
1 fighter moved from West Russia to United Kingdom
2 infantry moved from Kazakh S.S.R. to Caucasus
2 infantry moved from East Mexico to 19 Sea Zone
1 battleship, 1 destroyer, 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 19 Sea Zone to 22 Sea Zone
2 infantry moved from 22 Sea Zone to Brazil
2 fighters moved from 1 Sea Zone to Greenland
1 bomber moved from 64 Sea Zone to Western Canada
1 infantry moved from Eastern Canada to Western Canada
1 artillery moved from Eastern Canada to Western Canada
1 aaGun moved from Eastern Canada to Central United States
1 infantry moved from 23 Sea Zone to French West Africa
1 submarine moved from 41 Sea Zone to 22 Sea Zone

Place Units - Americans
3 bombers and 1 infantry placed in Eastern United States

Turn Complete - Americans
Americans collect 38 PUs; end with 39 PUs total

Territory Summary for Americans :

1 Sea Zone : 1 destroyer
22 Sea Zone : 1 battleship, 1 destroyer, 1 submarine and 1 transport
23 Sea Zone : 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 2 fighters
Alaska : 1 armour
Brazil : 2 infantry
Caucasus : 2 infantry
Central United States : 1 aaGun
Eastern Canada : 1 infantry
Eastern United States : 3 bombers, 1 factory and 1 infantry
French West Africa : 1 infantry
Greenland : 2 fighters
Hawaiian Islands : 1 infantry
Midway : 1 infantry
United Kingdom : 1 bomber and 1 fighter
Western Canada : 1 aaGun, 1 artillery, 1 bomber and 1 infantry
Western United States : 1 factory

Production/PUs Summary :

Russians : 21 / 28
Germans : 41 / 41
British : 30 / 30
Japanese : 38 / 40
Americans : 38 / 39

Dice Statistics:

Total
1 was rolled 5 times
2 was rolled 11 times
5 was rolled 10 times
Average roll : 2.962
Median : 2.000
Variance : 5.360
Standard Deviation : 2.315
Total rolls : 26

Null / Other
1 was rolled 2 times
2 was rolled 5 times
5 was rolled 4 times
Average roll : 2.909
Median : 2.000
Variance : 2.900
Standard Deviation : 1.703
Total rolls : 11

Japanese Combat
1 was rolled 1 times
Average roll : 1.000
Median : 1.000
Variance : ?
Standard Deviation : ?
Total rolls : 1

Germans Combat
2 was rolled 1 times
5 was rolled 2 times
Average roll : 4.000
Median : 5.000
Variance : 2.500
Standard Deviation : 1.581
Total rolls : 3

Americans Combat
1 was rolled 2 times
2 was rolled 5 times
5 was rolled 4 times
Average roll : 2.909
Median : 2.000
Variance : 2.900
Standard Deviation : 1.703
Total rolls : 11

Zombie69

I’m sorry, 1942 is the edition I always play now and I had a brain cramp and thought they were priced at 16. It’s the price I think they should cost, but you’re absolutely right, they’re at 20 and so we never buy them!

Zombie69

No problem, just wanted to make sure the game was still going on. You got bad luck on your SBR, getting hit by AA, so not knowing you I thought maybe you were pissed off and didn’t want to play anymore!

Zombie69

Here’s an idea to push players towards making certain purchases using cards, without completely breaking the game if Russia gets one or two bad draws. It also kind of introduces more money into the game.

Hearts : all land units cost -1 IPC
Diamonds : all air units cost -2 IPC
Spades : all naval units cost -2 IPC
Clubs : one free industrial complex or 2 free AA guns, your choice

Zombie69

@knp7765:

I don’t know where you are getting your information about battleship pricing. 1941 is the only game where they cost 16 IPCs. In 1942, Global 1940 and even Revised they cost 20 IPCs.

Look again. Battleships cost 16 IPCs in 1942. In Global, I believe they have 3 hits, but I don’t really know that ruleset.

Zombie69

@guni-kid:

leave the AA-gun in Caucasus alone

There’s literally no point in doing that. Germany can destroy it by sending just one INF. Leaving the country undefended already prevents a blitz because of the industrial complex (you can’t blitz through a country that has anything on it, including an industrial complex).

Zombie69

You don’t want to play the game anymore?

Zombie69

Actually in all recent versions of A&A battleships cost 16 and still at that price, they’re considered such a bad investment that no good player ever buys them.

I suggest you try buying cheaper units (concentrate most of your purchases on infantry, transports, and only enough cheap navy to effectively protect those transports) and you’ll quickly see how easily you win against anyone buying battleships.

How much do tanks cost in 1941? If you price them at 6, that might be ok (but still mighty good). If they cost 5, that’s way too powerful.

The cards I hate. Basically, the Allies automatically lose the game if Russia draws a heart or spade at any point in the game. It makes zero sense for Russia to buy anything but land (and especially to buy navy), plus they can’t just keep their cash and spend next turn, because 1) they need the troops now and 2) they don’t have the factory production necessary to spend 48 IPCs worth of land units in one turn.

Zombie69

I don’t like playing with victory cities, so I’ll pass, but thanks anyway. Good luck finding an opponent. :-)

Zombie69

I’m always up for a game of 1942SE against a good opponent. What do you mean by friendly? Do you mean not part of a tournament or do you mean not trying your hardest to win?

Zombie69

It looks like you’re trying to play all nations simultaneously, but you shouldn’t. The way the game is played is that Germany plays its entire turn, from purchasing new units all the way to collecting money, then UK does the same. By the time UK takes Germany, Germany’s turn is over and you’re into UK’s turn. UK should capture everything in Germany’s treasury, which should be a lot more than 1 IPC (and necessarily at least 10 since Germany owned at least its capital at the end of its turn). Germany will start its next turn with no money at all, so it will be impossible to buy anything even if they retake their capital. They also won’t be collecting any money until then.

Zombie69

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II v5 1942 Second Edition, version: 1.9

Game History

Round: 2

Purchase Units - British
British buy 3 artilleries and 2 fighters; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - British
1 bomber moved from United Kingdom to Germany

Combat - British
Strategic bombing raid in Germany
AA fire in Germany : 0/1 hits
Bombing raid in Germany rolls: 6 and causes: 6 damage to unit: factory
Bombing raid in Germany causes 6 damage total.

Non Combat Move - British
1 bomber moved from Germany to Caucasus
2 fighters moved from United Kingdom to French West Africa
1 armour moved from Eastern United States to 11 Sea Zone
1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 11 Sea Zone to 23 Sea Zone
1 armour moved from 23 Sea Zone to French West Africa
1 cruiser, 1 submarine and 1 transport moved from 41 Sea Zone to 22 Sea Zone
1 fighter moved from 33 Sea Zone to India
1 carrier, 1 cruiser and 1 transport moved from 33 Sea Zone to 27 Sea Zone
1 infantry moved from Belgian Congo to Anglo-Egyptian Sudan
1 artillery moved from Egypt to Anglo-Egyptian Sudan
1 infantry moved from Egypt to Anglo-Egyptian Sudan
1 armour moved from Egypt to Persia
1 infantry moved from India to Persia
1 infantry moved from Western Canada to Eastern Canada

Place Units - British
3 artilleries placed in India
2 fighters placed in United Kingdom

Turn Complete - British
British collect 30 PUs; end with 30 PUs total

Territory Summary for British :

22 Sea Zone : 1 cruiser, 1 submarine and 1 transport
23 Sea Zone : 1 transport
27 Sea Zone : 1 carrier, 1 cruiser and 1 transport
Anglo-Egyptian Sudan : 1 artillery and 2 infantry
Caucasus : 1 bomber
Eastern Australia : 3 infantry
Eastern Canada : 1 infantry
French West Africa : 1 armour and 2 fighters
India : 1 aaGun, 3 artilleries, 1 factory, 1 fighter and 7 infantry
New Zealand : 1 infantry
Persia : 1 armour and 1 infantry
United Kingdom : 1 aaGun, 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 factory, 2 fighters and 2 infantry

Production/PUs Summary :

Russians : 24 / 28
Germans : 41 / 41
British : 30 / 30
Japanese : 33 / 35
Americans : 40 / 40

Dice Statistics:

Total
3 was rolled 1 times
6 was rolled 1 times
Average roll : 4.500
Median : 4.500
Variance : 2.000
Standard Deviation : 1.414
Total rolls : 2

Null / Other
6 was rolled 1 times
Average roll : 6.000
Median : 6.000
Variance : ?
Standard Deviation : ?
Total rolls : 1

Germans Combat
3 was rolled 1 times
Average roll : 3.000
Median : 3.000
Variance : ?
Standard Deviation : ?
Total rolls : 1

Zombie69

Sorry, I don’t like tournament rules. They cut in half a game that’s so much more interesting if played to the bitter end. In tournaments, they do this because they have to, but I don’t see why you’d want to do it here.

Zombie69

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II v5 1942 Second Edition, version: 1.9

Game History

Round: 2

Purchase Units - Russians
Russians buy 2 artilleries and 6 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Russians
1 infantry moved from Archangel to Karelia S.S.R.
1 infantry moved from Caucasus to Ukraine S.S.R.
1 fighter moved from Archangel to Karelia S.S.R.
1 fighter moved from Archangel to Ukraine S.S.R.
1 submarine moved from 7 Sea Zone to 5 Sea Zone
1 infantry moved from Szechwan to Kwangtung
Russians take Kwangtung from Japanese

Combat - Russians
Battle in 5 Sea Zone
Russians attack with 1 submarine
Germans defend with 1 transport
1 transport owned by the Germans lost in 5 Sea Zone
Russians roll dice for 1 submarine in 5 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits
Russians win with 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
Casualties for Germans: 1 transport
Battle in Ukraine S.S.R.
Russians attack with 1 fighter and 1 infantry
Germans defend with 1 infantry
Russians roll dice for 1 fighter and 1 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 2 : 1/2 hits
Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 2 : 0/1 hits
1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Ukraine S.S.R.
Russians win, taking Ukraine S.S.R. from Germans with 1 fighter and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
Battle in Karelia S.S.R.
Russians attack with 1 fighter and 1 infantry
Germans defend with 1 factory and 1 infantry
Russians roll dice for 1 fighter and 1 infantry in Karelia S.S.R., round 2 : 0/2 hits
Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Karelia S.S.R., round 2 : 0/1 hits
Russians roll dice for 1 fighter and 1 infantry in Karelia S.S.R., round 3 : 1/2 hits
Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Karelia S.S.R., round 3 : 0/1 hits
1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Karelia S.S.R.
Russians win, taking Karelia S.S.R. from Germans with 1 fighter and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - Russians
1 fighter moved from Karelia S.S.R. to West Russia
1 fighter moved from Ukraine S.S.R. to West Russia
3 infantry moved from Caucasus to West Russia
1 artillery and 4 infantry moved from Russia to West Russia
1 infantry moved from Archangel to West Russia
5 infantry moved from Yakut S.S.R. to Evenki National Okrug

Place Units - Russians
4 infantry placed in Caucasus
Russians undo move 1.
4 infantry placed in Russia
2 artilleries and 2 infantry placed in Caucasus

Turn Complete - Russians
Russians collect 28 PUs; end with 28 PUs total

Territory Summary for Russians :

5 Sea Zone : 1 submarine
Caucasus : 2 artilleries, 1 factory and 2 infantry
Evenki National Okrug : 5 infantry
Karelia S.S.R. : 1 factory and 1 infantry
Kwangtung : 1 flag, 1 infantry
Russia : 1 factory and 4 infantry
Ukraine S.S.R. : 1 flag, 1 infantry
West Russia : 1 flag, 2 aaGuns, 3 armour, 3 artilleries, 2 fighters and 13 infantry

Production/PUs Summary :

Russians : 28 / 28
Germans : 36 / 42
British : 31 / 32
Japanese : 33 / 35
Americans : 40 / 40

Dice Statistics:

Total
2 was rolled 2 times
3 was rolled 2 times
4 was rolled 2 times
5 was rolled 1 times
6 was rolled 3 times
Average roll : 4.100
Median : 4.000
Variance : 0.889
Standard Deviation : 0.943
Total rolls : 10

Germans Combat
4 was rolled 1 times
6 was rolled 2 times
Average roll : 5.333
Median : 6.000
Variance : 2.500
Standard Deviation : 1.581
Total rolls : 3

Russians Combat
2 was rolled 2 times
3 was rolled 2 times
4 was rolled 1 times
5 was rolled 1 times
6 was rolled 1 times
Average roll : 3.571
Median : 3.000
Variance : 0.500
Standard Deviation : 0.707
Total rolls : 7

Zombie69

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II v5 1942 Second Edition, version: 1.9

Game History

Round: 1

Purchase Units - Americans
Americans buy 1 bomber, 1 carrier and 2 destroyers; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Non Combat Move - Americans
1 bomber moved from Eastern United States to United Kingdom
1 infantry moved from Eastern United States to 11 Sea Zone
2 fighters moved from Hawaiian Islands to Central United States
1 fighter moved from Western United States to 11 Sea Zone
1 fighter moved from Eastern United States to 11 Sea Zone
1 cruiser moved from 19 Sea Zone to 11 Sea Zone
1 submarine moved from 53 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone
1 fighter moved from Szechwan to West Russia
2 infantry moved from Szechwan to Kazakh S.S.R.
1 armour moved from Eastern United States to Eastern Canada
1 infantry moved from Alaska to Western Canada
1 aaGun moved from Western United States to Western Canada
1 armour moved from Eastern Canada to Western Canada
2 infantry moved from Western United States to 56 Sea Zone
1 battleship, 1 destroyer, 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 56 Sea Zone to 19 Sea Zone
2 infantry moved from 19 Sea Zone to East Mexico
1 infantry moved from Eastern United States to Eastern Canada
1 artillery moved from Eastern United States to Eastern Canada
1 infantry moved from Central United States to Eastern Canada
1 aaGun moved from Eastern United States to Eastern Canada

Place Units - Americans
1 carrier and 2 destroyers placed in 11 Sea Zone
1 bomber placed in Eastern United States

Turn Complete - Americans
Americans collect 40 PUs; end with 40 PUs total

Territory Summary for Americans :

11 Sea Zone : 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 2 destroyers, 2 fighters and 1 infantry
19 Sea Zone : 1 battleship, 1 destroyer and 1 transport
41 Sea Zone : 1 submarine
Central United States : 2 fighters
East Mexico : 2 infantry
Eastern Canada : 1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 2 infantry
Eastern United States : 1 bomber and 1 factory
Hawaiian Islands : 1 infantry
Kazakh S.S.R. : 2 infantry
Midway : 1 infantry
United Kingdom : 1 bomber
West Russia : 1 fighter
Western Canada : 1 aaGun, 1 armour and 1 infantry
Western United States : 1 factory

Production/PUs Summary :

Russians : 22 / 26
Germans : 40 / 42
British : 31 / 32
Japanese : 35 / 35
Americans : 40 / 40

Zombie69

Now that’s a battle that really went my way! :-D

Zombie69

That’s probably because you can only retreat to a territory or sea zone where at least one of your units was coming from, and you brought every boat through SZ44. Since it made perfect sense for you to bring one of them through SZ52 just in case, you can edit it to that space, no problem.

Zombie69

@Commando:

Need to know if your Sub in SZ53 is going to fight or submerge? I’m attacking w/1 Sub, 1 AC, 1 CC, 3 FTR’s & 1 SBR. Also need OOL?

The sub will fight in the first round. If you score no hit, I want to know what you lost before I make any decision for round 2. If you get only one hit, I choose the sub. If you get two hits, keep the sub and lose the destroyer and carrier, and then I want to know what you lost before I decide if I want the sub to keep fighting. If you score three hits as you should, I’ll keep the sub and submerge. If you score 4 hits, I’ll just be sad I sent the sub to its death!