Posts made by Whitshadw

@Uncrustable:

You also realize that in order for Italy to actually get 19 IPCs round 2 all if the axis must hold off from taking any France tts until France falls!
This includes Normandy and south France (5IPCs)
Meaning now 5 less IPCS less Germany on top of the 23 for not taking France G1

IMO this strategy is so flawed it’s silly, and I’m beginning to wonder if we’re not just arguing with a couple noobs. (No offense but this has to he pointed out)

I’m sorry this guy is lost or dosnt understand how this game works basicaly my last post in this matter.
I’ve stated again I’ve played in tournaments and countless levels of expertise from novice to finalist and there’s no one clear way to win you use any advantage to win and sometimes play and use tactics that are unconvential

Yes Italy may loose up to 20ipcs worth of men to gain 19 from sacking France and 4 for the value of the teratory. But Endland would loose up to 50+ by stacking most of there fighters last I checked 20<50 for value correct?

Also while yes America just sits at Gebralter that dosnt stop transports ferrying troops over and having part of the German Airforce covering France/Italy to counter any attack

All of France can fall in one Turn so I have no idea what this kid is talking about. And this is all round 1 threw 2 movements round 5 is to late to just have America sit at Gebralter and think it’s doing anything. The idea behind this is too flood Africa and push into Iraq ASAP.

Blows my mind how people are so short sited with just seeing things one way and just reply with America rushs in lol
Anyways I’m done try it … It’ll work and mouths will drop other wise no point arguing with inexperianced players

@1Bean432:

@Whitshadw:

The last to posts No and No

Say for example you don’t know my strat and are playing using normal an convential attacks as an allies player and don’t know my in tensions.

Germany is strafing France? Lol, Axis want Italy to take it.

Your not gonna stack Egypt like that for defense I just ever see it happening nor will it ever unless I flat out tell you what I plan to do so don’t jump quickly to thinking this or that won’t work cause you assume you can counter

We can, stack Egypt, then retreat into Anglo-Egyptian Sudan and destroy the Ethiopian Inf while doing so.

Normaly in the meditranian what’s England’s moves? Possably take Tobrook and seasons 96? Say you move most the planes to France Italy’s counter will to crush sea zone 96 with its navy and stop off 3 infinity and 1 tank back to alixandria

Sweet, U.S.A disables Italy.

Ethiopia moves into Anglo Sudan the next turn since there’s no ships to threating I push with my 2 remain transports and navy using shore bombardments and a mix of fighters from alixandria anglo Sudan and a third transport I bought atthe end if turn 1 and Possably a Bomber if it survived

You bought a transport? LOL U.S.A IS SO SCREWING ITALY.

You all think that everything stalls in France

Because you do. No question about it.

in like most of you I’m willing to bet you’ve never tried this for your selfs I have on numerous occasions and have taken it so that added 19 IPC

After losing 20 IPCs of troops.

bounces and 14 Ipcs I collected from France and starting income I have 33 IPC to spend round 2 with England having no navy and planes to stop me

… Nothing stalls

France stalls.

and nothin gets slowed down it’s just making the right choices and playing smart.

Playing smart on the allies part would mean you already lost.
Actually no. Smart play on the Axis would mean France falling to Germany round 1

Lol US takes
What and when round 3 lol I clearly need someone a bit more experianced in this game to talk tactics this clearly isn’t working
Anyways I’m done I’ve explained it I’ve played countless players on all levels of experiance and understand there’s more then one correct way of winning happy gaming everyone :)

The last to posts No and No

Say for example you don’t know my strat and are playing using normal an convential attacks as an allies player and don’t know my in tensions.

Your not gonna stack Egypt like that for defense I just ever see it happening nor will it ever unless I flat out tell you what I plan to do so don’t jump quickly to thinking this or that won’t work cause you assume you can counter

Normaly in the meditranian what’s England’s moves? Possably take Tobrook and seasons 96? Say you move most the planes to France Italy’s counter will to crush sea zone 96 with its navy and stop off 3 infinity and 1 tank back to alixandria

Ethiopia moves into Anglo Sudan the next turn since there’s no ships to threating I push with my 2 remain transports and navy using shore bombardments and a mix of fighters from alixandria anglo Sudan and a third transport I bought atthe end if turn 1 and Possably a Bomber if it survived

You all think that everything stalls in France in like most of you I’m willing to bet you’ve never tried this for your selfs I have on numerous occasions and have taken it so that added 19 IPC bounces and 14 Ipcs I collected from France and starting income I have 33 IPC to spend round 2 with England having no navy and planes to stop me … Nothing stalls and nothin gets slowed down it’s just making the right choices and playing smart.

Re-read this blog and look at the map and if your Italy with 29ipcs at the start of turn 2 you tell me how with no English navy or Airforce in Africa to stop you.

@BluGerman:

Brits are going to back up France with RAF if France is still standing after G1, but no matter how many planes Britain sends France is going to fall. Now if Germany strafes France and leaves it to Italy then the Italians either lose a considerable number of forces or don’t take it at all and have to wait until I2. Either way this strategy is going to cost both sides much more money then if Germany takes it G1. The difference is that the Allies have the IPC advantage and can come back from losing its starting forces much more easily than the Axis can. Yes, this means Italy gets an extra 4 IPC and Germany can take out RN without UK scrambling and these are the definite pros to this strategy. But the fact of the matter is that this strategy means Italy is slow to take on Africa which is absolutely detrimental and even if Italy is making 4 extra IPC that is going to mean nothing If Britain takes the opportunity to destroy Italian North Africa. While subtle, Germany is also going to be able to make one less mech which might make all the difference when rushing Moscow. Germany is gonna suffer a loss of IPC for Italy which will not end up helping it’s ally much if at all. Seems like a loss for the Axis to me. I think it is a great idea for Germany to help Italy and while this was a cool plan to do that, it would be much easier and more practical if Germany took Yugo or southern France and pumped supplies to north Africa or just flew a few planes south to help it’s axis buddy. Anyways this is just my opinion and I stand to be proven wrong.

its not just the 4 Ipcs that Italy gets it’s the 19 bounces from sacking France. Which helps bump up Italy bump up its navy and able to reinforce its African force and finsh off anything left in the meditranian

All this crap that te Americans push into the meditranian best of luck with that strat it dosnt happin all at once it takes atlest 4-5 rounds so please stop with that idea it dosnt work out and 9/10 America lands in Norway over anywhere else then maybe Normandy with England following up.

Realistically at the end of Italy’s turn 1 it secures France and gets a 19ipc boot added to the fact that most of its navy is there with atlest 2 transports with 3 infra try and 1 tank plus the force it has there

If you guys haven’t tried it feel free I take Egypt turn 2 and middle east by turn 3

By turn 3 America even if in the war by then just landed in Gibralter and if there smart wouldn’t push any further knowing there force isn’t built up and too weak to truly push anywhere

@Uncrustable:

There is no way Italy gets into Africa with this strategy.
First it delays the axis for an entire turn, and they do not even stand to benefit from it.
With zero sealion threat Britain can build an IC in Egypt turn one.
With this you cannot afford USA entering early, forcing japan to wait to Dow, meaning both Britain and ANZAC get rich in the pacific.
Britain PAC could then fly its planes from India to Egypt, get an airbase there and Africa is secure for the entire game.

What you really fail to realize is this would delay the Germans not one turn, but 2 entire turns as they are going to need a good amount to take France turn 2.

No I’m allways able to manage to take out all the ships minus the one cruser in the Atlantic. I’m not sure how your set up is in a open move but I easily am able to clear out the Atlantic of English ships minus that one cruser
Also in what way will it prevent me from going into Africa as Italy I start with 3 transports and 3 separate navy’s there and England goes before Italy it’s not hard to see what your going to do I’ve played this out an take Egypt in Italy turn 2 with the left over battleship crusers and sub detroryer and no planes left to defend them it’s easy to sweep that aside and quickly dump off 1 tank and 3 men to North Africa

The Axis don’t loose any turns if it
Meens crippling the English to the point where they can’t do anything and everything else gos as planed

The pacific is still a side show and nothing changes so what if they get the money islands there’s no real threat with ships minus the American threat which is still at minimum 1-2 turns away and if your dumb enough to fly your planes from Calcuta that leaves me open to just swoop in and take it over

For one it’s safe to say that anyone playing as Germany will Clear out the Atlantic as best you can. I personally like to clear out the two destroyers and transports as manditory, and the English Channel and off Scotland. Then do the standees opening kvements and attacks I like to take Southern France cause it gives me the ability to have a port as Germany in the meditranian.

This is not possible barring really lucky dice.
The most standard play is taking out English Channel, Scotland an transport off Canada. Leaving the gib cruiser and 109 transport.

During Britain’s  turn Italy cannot scramble against Taranto, as losing fighters would mean Britain needs less to defend France meaning less air lost for Britain.

You’ve clearly missed Everything that was writin how and when will America crush Italy? When they have to split there money with West and East what round 6? By then it’s to late and Russia will fall what all that extra income …

Africa falls fast with that Egypt and then the Middle East.not only that at most Germany and Italy has 4 rounds to Prepare for any American counter and 9/10 al America dose is build up cause it can’t match the German Airforce and Italian wall built up…

And I would want England to place it’s Entriee Airforce in one spot to obliterate Not only that it dosnt have the money to bounce back and just rebuilt an Airforce while sitting idle so it has other things to buy and do not only that it leaves England undefended further doing Stratigic bombing raids and for atlest 2 rounds Convoy raids

So best of luck thinking America can just rush in think its gonna do much when by roud 5 anything done is basicaly Moot

So the basic thought of this idea is simple if you look to more then one turn a head.

For one it’s safe to say that anyone playing as Germany will Clear out the Atlantic as best you can. I personally like to clear out the two destroyers and transports as manditory, and the English Channel and off Scotland. Then do the standees opening kvements and attacks I like to take Southern France cause it gives me the ability to have a port as Germany in the meditranian.

So why leave France to Italy well I think of it as a Baiting the allies into helping France for a futile cause. Say Britian flys in all the planes to France you Possably bought France one turn but lost all of you Airforce leaving England with no navy and no Airforce and Italy can mop up what’s left in the Meditranian and the Atlantic is empty

While it’s allways benifital to help Germany by giving France you can allways stall and just do a G3 into Russia no big deal and this gives Italy a soild 3 rounds to build up in the meditranian. And also push into the middle east getting into Russia quicker and threating Calcuta also.

While yes America can eventually build up normaly by round 5-6 they can start to push back at Germany but by then it maybe to late England is cut out and cripples to much

Also the whole Sealion can ofcorse work but any smart player can see if your telegraphing by your purchases so that’s moot and personally there’s better buys tha can be better suited then that if your going for Russia and just interceding to cripple England also if England dose send it’s Airforce to France all the more for me to Stratigic Bomb them to death cause they cant scramble any way you look at it it’s win / win! :)

And which
Minor would you take if Germany has Normandy and Southern France?
With England sacrafcing all
It’s air power for Paris leaves there navy weak and Frances navy is a push over even with 2 transports left ( counting the one off Malta dies with its destroyer) you can shift over 1 tank and 3 men with 2 transports to southern France. Again I don’t see how in the Lon run it would fail the axis? And more so screw the allies if they bate them selfs to send all there Air Force to a dieing cause?

@Young:

@Uncrustable:

Opinions aside, lets look at this.
Low Luck dice.
Germany takes Normandy, South France, Yugoslavia and strafes France. (Leaving 1 French tank and 1 French fighter, retreating to W Germany)
UK does not scramble any fighters to defend Royal Navy.
UK lands 5 fighters, 1 tactical bomber and one bomber on France.

Leaving the following battle:
Italy attacks with: 2 inf, 2 art, 1 arm, 2 fig and 1 bomb
French/UK defends with: 1 arm, 6 fig, 1 tac and 1 bomb

This is a 100% battle in favor of the French.
Italy attacks, French win with 3 British fighters remaining

Even if you get lucky and only leave the French fighter on G1, its still 95% in favor of the French when Italy attacks.

Unless i’m really missing something this move would almost always be a total disaster for the axis.

Thanks… I didn’t have the time or energy to explain it in detail the way you did, so I copped out and blamed it on different opinions.

Lol you didn’t need to spell anything out it’s on the board clear as day my question was essentially what’s the Pros vs Cons on doing such a move sure it helps the allies for one turn but them screwed them for 3 turns

Your right I counted it.

Truthfuly if England supported it to that length you bought France 1 round and canalized any offense that it had to give France 1 round and place what 5
Men? At that point Germany would probably take it and in 2 rounds England has lost all of its
navy and has absolutly no Airforce other way it’s a win / win for the axis

While your right with Germany having extra income for sure for the push and built up. I was thinking if Italy had that extra cash no English Airforce
Or navy Egypt would fall by round 2 and the Domino would insue

I dunno  just thinking outside the box and allways love to leave people guessing

Oh I agree with you… We have a group of 10 people who rotate some can make it as others cant so we normaly have soild 5 people play all experianced with countless games user our belts were 30+ … To you all an idea of age and experience

We don’t play low luck really just count up cost vs cost and see if it’s worth the attack 9/10 times planes do get scrambled or England is put in a position to atlest use there planes to attack some where also. I just see it highly unlikely that they would sacrifice all active planes in France the entire fbit of England would be lost in aircraft and to make matters worse they couldn’t attack the Italin Navy cause the counter would crush them.

I suppose it’s a huge risk vs reward or something that Italins can Capitlize on a weaker Britsh player but if suppose the idea seems sound on why to do it

also what tactical bomber? From where I only count 5 British fighters and 1 strategic bomber

I don’t see it Englad has 1 plane in Scotland and 2 fighters in Londan 1 in Gabrilter and 1 in Malta and 1 bomber in Londan so that’s 1 bomber and 5 fighters Possably defending on a open France were Italy will be attacking with 2 infantry 2 artlity 1 tank 2 fighters and 1 bomber …. If Endland was that dumb to place all it’s fighters there I’d welcome to not only destroying it’s entry navy by Germany but then also the Airforce by Italy. Also England can’t then scramble to intercept the navel attacks so that wouldn’t be in England’s favor to place all it’s air in France. And no by G5 I’m fully commited to Russia and pushin to Moscow to really have the Resources to pull away and support something else unless it’s truly something obvious and capitalize or push in a different direction. Again I don’t really see how Italy taken France is a bad thing unless someone shows me otherwise.

No I don’t agree with sending my Airforce to Africe it puts your planes out of position for when you push into Russia. Italy dosnt have a lot to worry about in Africa and the Mediterranean only cause if they take the income from France they can built a bigger navy and put more boots on the ground in Africa faster making it very hard for te Allies to get there and bounce back. America won’t see Africa until turn 4 and England is in no position to truly help case G1 decamates there Navy. By the time it’s Round 4 Germany is pushing into Russia and Italy has a head start on holdin the shores and Pushing into Africa/Middle East also putting Preasuer possibly on Calcuta or the Caucasus

So here’s my idea just a simple thought but, What if Germany simply weakens France to allow Italy to take it. So understandably now Germany is left with a bit less cash, here’s my thoughts Germany dose a G3 to Russia and builds up a bit more it dosnt loose half as much as it would by fully committing to France. Also now with this massive influx to Italy it truly helps put them on level with England to push then out of Africa fast and build up a decent navy and push into Middle East. Not only that but depending on o
How it works out it cripples any allies in Africa and opens a front threw Africa cause once England is knocked out there I typically use them to defend Germany’s backside and keep building it’s navy now it won’t knock out America say round 5 but round 4 it can defently cripple or atlest keep them on guard. What’s your thoughts?