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@Ichabod

Load a saved game and change the settings?

I’m up for a game if we get you working. I want to keep testing and seeing variations.

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 4.0

Game History

Round: 1

Purchase Units - Russians
            Russians buy 2 armour, 3 artilleries and 3 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 1 PUs;

Combat Move - Russians

Combat - Russians

Non Combat Move - Russians
            2 infantry moved from Karelia to Novgorod
            3 infantry moved from Vyborg to Novgorod
            1 submarine moved from 127 Sea Zone to 125 Sea Zone
            3 infantry moved from Baltic States to Novgorod
            1 infantry moved from Archangel to Novgorod
            1 infantry moved from Belarus to Novgorod
            1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Russia to Belarus
            2 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Belarus
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Russia to Belarus
            1 aaGun, 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 6 infantry moved from Novgorod to Belarus
            2 infantry moved from Bessarabia to Western Ukraine
            3 infantry moved from Ukraine to Western Ukraine
            1 aaGun moved from Russia to Bryansk
            2 infantry moved from Caucasus to Rostov
            1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Volgograd to Bryansk
            1 infantry moved from Russia to Bryansk
            1 artillery moved from Russia to Bryansk
            1 fighter moved from Belarus to Western Ukraine
            6 infantry moved from Buryatia to Yakut S.S.R.
            2 aaGuns and 6 infantry moved from Sakha to Buryatia
            6 infantry moved from Amur to Buryatia
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Belarus to Novgorod
            1 fighter moved from Belarus to Novgorod

Place Units - Russians
            1 armour and 1 mech_infantry placed in Volgograd
            3 artilleries placed in Novgorod
            1 armour and 2 mech_infantrys placed in Ukraine
            Russians undo move 3.
            1 armour and 1 mech_infantry placed in Ukraine
            1 mech_infantry placed in Russia
            Russians undo move 4.
            1 mech_infantry placed in Ukraine
            Russians undo move 4.
            1 mech_infantry placed in Volgograd

Turn Complete - Russians
            Russians collect 37 PUs; end with 38 PUs

Territory Summary for Russians :

Yakut S.S.R. : 6 infantry
    Buryatia : 2 aaGuns and 12 infantry
    Belarus : 1 aaGun, 1 armour, 1 artillery, 8 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
    Bryansk : 1 aaGun, 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
    Rostov : 2 infantry
    Russia : 1 aaGun, 1 airfield and 1 factory_major
    Ukraine : 1 armour, 1 factory_minor and 1 mech_infantry
    Western Ukraine : 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 6 infantry
    Volgograd : 1 armour, 1 factory_minor and 2 mech_infantrys
    Novgorod : 1 aaGun, 1 airfield, 3 artilleries, 1 factory_minor, 1 fighter, 1 harbour, 10 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
    125 Sea Zone : 1 submarine
    115 Sea Zone : 1 cruiser and 1 submarine

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 39 / 70
    Russians : 37 / 38
    Japanese : 26 / 26
    Americans : 52 / 52
    Chinese : 12 / 12
    British : 28 / 28
    UK_Pacific : 17 / 17
    Italians : 10 / 10
    ANZAC : 10 / 10
    French : 15 / 0
    Dutch : 11 / 0
    Mongolians : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Axis : 2 / 0
    Neutral_Allies : 6 / 0
    Neutral_True : 18 / 0

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@Patryn:

@weddingsinger:

Good game.  Your end stage slow grind of my ipcs was top notch.

Good game!  Thanks for the game and let me know when you want to start the flip game.  I do think the 25 bid changed the early game quite a bit.

I’ll wait a few days, finish up one of my other games for sure.

bump.

Italy is up.

Well, it was just now my turn to f’ it up! I did not even retake Moscow back, LOL!

Let alone Bryansk, and obviously I screwed up in the first place in not realizing the tank blitz to Moscow. I could have easily defended everything.

Was about to start stacking fleets on money islands. I think I finally had enough stuff to defend my transports.

I surrender this game. I think I could have recovered and still had a chance in this game if I did the obvious and recover Moscow back…plus get work my stack from Bessarabia back.

New game

https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=42690.0

Yep. Fortifying the money islands - well we’re only talking about Celebes aren’t we? UK can take Sumatra and ANZAC can take Java. Or do you mean two transports to the same island? I don’t think that strategy is much good with a J1 DOW though. Japan will just crush your force for no real losses and you’ll have taken troops off India.

From South Africa you can also hit Ethiopia which you might not do without that transport. Or take Persia and do something else with the SZ98 Transport. The two inf who start on South Africa normally only arrive after Egypt has been secured so I think that is worth something. You can also land the troops on West India if you think fortifying India is the most important thing.

New game thread

https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=42672.0

@weddingsinger:

Sure.  I’ll set it up.

I need practice as the Allies.

Then I’m mostly gone Friday-Monday.  I’m meeting the future in-laws when they fly into town.

Good luck with that!  I mostly figure weekends are for family and outdoors time anyway.

I wonder if it is worth taking Norway as USA early on, with USSR assistance in taking Finland. A few things remain unclear:

Does this make USA ineffective against Japan Should USA follow up with a Normandy landing? Or something else?

A few things seem to work though. You can hold Moscow G6, doubtless in part because air can reach Moscow via Finland. Also killing the Scandinavian troops reduces the assault. If Germany kills the USN with the Luftwaffe, it loses too many planes to support the Moscow assault. If it doesn’t kill the USN, it needs to defend Leningrad against an amphibious assault which ties up a bunch of troops.

hey im in. Pretty inexperienced, only like 2 months of g40. but im down

New game getting started finally.

Link goes to new forum
https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=43687.0

@Caesar:

@KGrimB:

I know its probably not optimal, but I pretty much always build 6 inf and 1 fighter on London UK1. I always send some aircraft to the Mediterranean and with 60-70 ipcs on G2, Germany can attempt Sea Lion even if they may not have been originally considering it unless you have the defenses.

I would also agree against the factory in Egypt. It can be a little precarious early with nearby German air and I think that normally games where you have an option to build a factory in Egypt are games where the Mediterranean is already in the Allies’s favor. It doesn’t exactly create opportunities the same way a factory in Persia does. Just use transports with South Africa.

Sea Lion on G2 is foolish because ideally, Germany would need to buff its navy, build infantry, and transports so that shouldn’t be done until at least G3.

You misunderstand me. Sea Lion G3 is the most realistic because it is after you buy transports on G2, after SBR, and after T1 convoys. Germany evaluates early sea lion based on what London does turn 1.

With respect to the original question, I think a g1 Dow on Russia to bait UK into not defending for sea lion could work. However, you’re probably short 1-2 transports from strafing Yugoslavia, not hitting other parts of France, missing Russian wheat NO, and committing German aircraft to the eastern front or other riskier battles. Thus you exaggerate your existing problems because you give up all of the pros of G1 and take away units from that front just to get them stuck on an island with 1 VC instead of attacking a country with 3 VC.

It’s too much for one country. You would need to make sacrifices with Italy’s dreams in the Med. You can’t give them the help they need and they would have to spend on forces to delay Russia. They could attack London with their Bomber.

I think what would sell this plan and give Germany a better chance of baiting the UK would be a Japanese attack on Russia. If you bring America into the war you probably have no chance of winning in Europe. If you keep them out you get a better chance at London and Japan can draw some attention from Russia. Otherwise the Siberian infantry are probably garunteed arriving in Moscow and probably other Russian forces would occupy Iraq.

you have 3 territories that do not implicate the mongolian rule, so if the russians depart, you can always take those with extra transports without ever comitting to a major invasion

if the russians stay, or add a fighter, they can tie up some minor forces and, at a critical time, lure japan into a diversionary attack that keeps them up north.

eiher way, the money is down south, not up there.  Still, you can take it all, provided you dont dilute the japanese fleet or money push

I tried out Sea Lion in a game, again, with a few changes.  I did do a J1 because its just sooo good for Japan.

*before Sea Lion invasion, the U.S. positioned itself for Gibraltor route, rather than Canada.  So Germany used its cruiser in SZ104 and bombed Gibraltor’s naval base I2 so the U.S. could not counter attack.  Alternatively, if the U.K. hadn’t had planes in place to reinforce, I might’ve let U.S. retake London, so UK could collect on UK3, and Germany could just take London again on G4 and pocket 30ipc instead of 8.
*on G3, Germany bought a carrier for SZ110 so transports wouldn’t be sunk.  Bombers couldn’t hit because I’d taken Scotland on G2
*on G3 I bought 3 inf for Normandy so that they could end up in London on G4 with the 3 inf I could buy and prevent the U.S. from taking it.
*used all the inf from Norway/Finland for Sea Lion, except one as a blocker in Finland.  This left quite a lot of German troops in the way on mainland Europe, 25+.  I parked them in Romania along with Italy’s 2inf, 2arton G3 once Russia committed its stack to the southern route.  He never did attack there.

*also on G3/G4, I bought slow movers.  I had 10 transports available to take back Norway, Finland, and also hit Baltic States and Novgorod all at once.  This was a serious hit to Russia who lost 10ish inf/art spread out over these areas.

With Japan whooping in the Pacific, the U.S. had an impossible choice and made the mistake of splitting his focus.  He never did liberate London.

Italy committed its land forces to Eastern Europe.  I used its planes to hit anything I could of the UK’s in the Med or Egypt.  By the end of turn 5, UK had 2 inf and an anti air gun, 2 transports left, total.

Russia was a PIA for quite a while, but by round 6 the front line was finally at Ukraine in the south and Germany solidly had Leningrad, and could start bombing Moscow and buying nothing but fast movers.

IPC’s were nice.  After G4, Germany was making 52 ipc base plus 15 ipc NO bonuses (London, Scandinavia, and Novgorod).  This plus the 30 ipcs from sacking London easily paid for the units to take and keep London.

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 3

Purchase Units - Russians
            Russians buy 1 artillery and 10 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Russians
            1 armour, 1 artillery and 9 infantry moved from Bryansk to Western Ukraine
            3 artilleries and 5 infantry moved from Ukraine to Western Ukraine
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Novgorod to Western Ukraine

Combat - Russians
            Battle in Western Ukraine
                Russians attack with 1 armour, 4 artilleries, 1 fighter, 14 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                Germans defend with 2 armour, 4 artilleries and 14 infantry
                    Russians roll dice for 1 armour, 4 artilleries, 1 fighter, 14 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Western Ukraine, round 2 :  7/21 hits
                    Germans roll dice for 2 armour, 4 artilleries and 14 infantry in Western Ukraine, round 2 :  8/20 hits
                    8 infantry owned by the Russians and 7 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Western Ukraine
                    Russians roll dice for 1 armour, 4 artilleries, 1 fighter, 6 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Western Ukraine, round 3 :  3/13 hits
                    Germans roll dice for 2 armour, 4 artilleries and 7 infantry in Western Ukraine, round 3 :  4/13 hits
                    4 infantry owned by the Russians and 3 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Western Ukraine
                    Russians roll dice for 1 armour, 4 artilleries, 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Western Ukraine, round 4 :  2/9 hits
                    Germans roll dice for 2 armour, 4 artilleries and 4 infantry in Western Ukraine, round 4 :  4/10 hits
                    2 infantry owned by the Russians, 2 artilleries owned by the Russians and 2 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Western Ukraine
                1 armour owned by the Russians and 2 artilleries owned by the Russians retreated to Ukraine
                Germans win with 2 armour, 4 artilleries and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is -14
                Casualties for Germans: 12 infantry
                Casualties for Russians: 2 artilleries and 14 infantry

Non Combat Move - Russians
            1 mech_infantry moved from Caucasus to Persia
                  Russians take Persia from Neutral_Allies
            1 armour moved from Northwest Persia to Persia
            1 infantry moved from Russia to Bryansk
            1 infantry moved from Russia to Tambov
            2 aaGuns moved from Bryansk to Russia
            2 aaGuns, 4 artilleries and 11 infantry moved from Novgorod to Archangel
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Ukraine to Russia

Place Units - Russians
            1 artillery and 9 infantry placed in Russia
            1 infantry placed in Novgorod

Turn Complete - Russians
            Russians collect 33 PUs; end with 33 PUs
            Trigger Russians 1 Lend Lease: Russians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 38 PUs
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Russians from Ukraine: 1 armour and 2 artilleries
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to Bryansk: 1 armour and 2 artilleries
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Russians from Archangel: 2 aaGuns, 4 artilleries and 11 infantry
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to Novgorod: 2 aaGuns, 4 artilleries and 11 infantry
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Russians from Novgorod: 1 infantry
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to Belarus: 1 infantry
            EDIT: Changing ownership of Baltic States from Germans to Russians
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Russians from Novgorod: 1 infantry
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to Baltic States: 1 infantry
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Russians from Novgorod: 4 artilleries and 7 infantry
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to Karelia: 4 artilleries and 7 infantry
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Changing PUs for Russians from 38 to 39
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Russians from Yenisey: 6 infantry
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to Timguska: 6 infantry
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

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It’s not easy, you’ll probably lose most of China to the FEC, and you’ll have to start from scratch in South East Asia. You’re also giving the Americans free rein in the Pacific. It’s easier to take advantage of ANZAC’s low income to keep a small fleet in sz63, maybe conquer NZ and Solomons/NB, and keep them bottled up, while attacking Calcutta and US fleet.

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 7

Research Technology - Germans

Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans buy 2 artilleries and 22 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Germans
            3 infantry moved from Western Germany to Holland Belgium
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Denmark to Holland Belgium
            3 bombers moved from Eastern Poland to Russia
            1 bomber moved from Western Germany to Belarus
            1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Novgorod to Belarus
            1 armour and 1 artillery moved from Caucasus to Northwest Persia
            1 destroyer moved from 113 Sea Zone to 125 Sea Zone
                  Germans take 125 Sea Zone from British

Combat - Germans
            Air Battle in Russia
                Germans attacks with 3 units heading to Russia
                Russians launches 4 interceptors out of Russia
                    Attackers Fire,  :  1/3 hits
                    Defenders Fire,  :  1/4 hits
                    1 bomber owned by the Germans lost in Russia
                    1 fighter owned by the British lost in Russia
                Air Battle is over, the remaining bombers go on to their targets
            Strategic bombing raid in Russia
                    AA fire in Russia :  0/2 hits
                Bombing raid in Russia rolls: 6,7 and causes: 13 damage to unit: factory_major
                Bombing raid in Russia causes 13 damage total.
            Battle in Belarus
                Germans attack with 1 artillery, 1 bomber and 2 infantry
                Russians defend with 2 artilleries and 1 infantry
                    Germans roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 bomber and 2 infantry in Belarus, round 2 :  1/4 hits
                    Russians roll dice for 2 artilleries and 1 infantry in Belarus, round 2 :  2/3 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Russians and 2 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Belarus
                    Germans roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 bomber in Belarus, round 3 :  0/2 hits
                    Russians roll dice for 2 artilleries in Belarus, round 3 :  1/2 hits
                    1 artillery owned by the Germans lost in Belarus
                retreated to Belarus
                Russians win with 2 artilleries remaining. Battle score for attacker is -7
                Casualties for Germans: 1 artillery and 2 infantry
                Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
            Battle in Holland Belgium
                Germans attack with 1 fighter, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                British defend with 3 infantry
                    Germans roll dice for 1 fighter, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Holland Belgium, round 2 :  4/5 hits
                    British roll dice for 3 infantry in Holland Belgium, round 2 :  2/3 hits
                    2 infantry owned by the Germans and 3 infantry owned by the British lost in Holland Belgium
                Germans win, taking Holland Belgium from British with 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry
                Casualties for British: 3 infantry
            Battle in Northwest Persia
                Germans attack with 1 armour and 1 artillery
                Russians defend with 1 mech_infantry
                    Germans roll dice for 1 armour and 1 artillery in Northwest Persia, round 2 :  1/2 hits
                    Russians roll dice for 1 mech_infantry in Northwest Persia, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    1 mech_infantry owned by the Russians lost in Northwest Persia
                Germans win, taking Northwest Persia from Russians with 1 armour and 1 artillery remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
                Casualties for Russians: 1 mech_infantry
            Cleaning up after air battles

Non Combat Move - Germans
            1 armour moved from Slovakia Hungary to Romania
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Bessarabia to Romania
            6 aaGuns moved from Slovakia Hungary to Germany
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Holland Belgium to Western Germany
            1 armour moved from Germany to Romania
            3 armour and 4 infantry moved from Volgograd to Rostov
            1 bomber moved from Belarus to Rostov
            2 bombers moved from Russia to Rostov
            1 artillery and 4 infantry moved from Finland to Karelia

Place Units - Germans
            1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Volgograd
            1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Novgorod
            3 infantry placed in Ukraine
            10 infantry placed in Western Germany
            5 infantry placed in Germany

Turn Complete - Germans
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 2
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 97 Sea Zone. Rolls: 2
            Germans collect 51 PUs (2 lost to blockades); end with 51 PUs
            Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 56 PUs
            Objective Germans 6 Control Iraq Or Persia Or Northwest Persia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 58 PUs
            Objective Germans 3 Control Caucasus: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 63 PUs
            Objective Germans 2 Control Novgorod Or Volgograd Or Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 73 PUs
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from Germany: 4 infantry
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Novgorod: 2 infantry
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Denmark: 2 infantry
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to 115 Sea Zone: 1 transport
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from 113 Sea Zone: 1 transport
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

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TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 7

Purchase Units - Russians
            Russians buy 11 artilleries; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Politics - Russians
            Trigger Russians Friendly With Mongolians activates a trigger called: Trigger Allies Friendly With Mongolians

Combat Move - Russians
            6 infantry moved from Tsinghai to Shensi
            1 armour moved from Sikang to Shensi
            1 infantry moved from Ulaanbaatar to Central Mongolia
            2 infantry moved from Buyant-Uhaa to Chahar
                  Chinese take Chahar from Japanese
            1 infantry moved from Dzavhan to Central Mongolia
            2 infantry moved from Olgiy to Timguska

Combat - Russians
            Trigger Russians Conquer Japanese Territory By Mongolia: Setting switch to false for conditionAttachment_Mongolia_May_Change_To_Russians_Control_Switch attached to Russians

Non Combat Move - Russians
            1 infantry moved from Western Ukraine to Ukraine
            1 infantry moved from Bessarabia to Ukraine
            1 aaGun moved from Smolensk to Russia
            2 infantry moved from Bryansk to Rostov
            1 artillery moved from Bryansk to Rostov
            1 aaGun, 9 armour, 13 artilleries and 13 infantry moved from Bryansk to Russia
            1 aaGun moved from Bryansk to Russia
            1 armour moved from Bryansk to Rostov

Place Units - Russians
            9 artilleries placed in Russia
            2 artilleries placed in Ukraine
            Russians undo move 1.
            1 artillery placed in Ukraine
            1 artillery placed in Volgograd
            7 artilleries placed in Russia

Turn Complete - Russians
            Russians collect 30 PUs; end with 30 PUs

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I agree with a post that Mashmallow posted earlier, there is no guarantee that you are going to get that NO for a clear med, you should not even rely on that one. The Italians have so many uses, on the ground, with actual IPC earning territory’s that those planes can be used for, you need to weigh out their impact in the med versus potentially taking Egypt, steam rolling Greece, building an actually strong can-opener force in Russia, and even Protecting Rome.

The last few games that I have played, when I am the Axis, I get my Italian partner to seriously evaluate the Taranto raid force. If it is the max force possible, and the UK is totally on point, I say scrap the scramble, focus on more attainable objectives. As a German player, I sure as hell don’t want to burn the Luftwaffe on an air vs naval clean up battle G2, where I can lose guaranteed safe hits against Russian ground troops once Barbarossa commences. On the other hand, If the UK doesn’t bring the max force down, or they don’t make a move to middle east with SA and India navies / units, and Italy looks like they might have some time to maneuver for a few rounds, then scramble all the way. I have seen games were Italy won the Taranto raid, and from then on became unstoppable in the Med, which in turn leads to Germany being able to achieve their full potential, and results in an Axis victory.

Italy unfortunately has to play the game, or at least start the game, being completely on board to support the Germans in whichever direction they plan to strike. A strong Afrika campaign with Italian air power can lead to Italy generating sufficient IPCs to gain a bit more control over their destiny. A successful Italian campaign in the middle East, or as a can-opener can have the same impact. Italy with zero navy, and zero air force, means they might as well stockpile Rome and prepare to defend Europe, there will be no expeditionary force.