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@calvinhobbesliker:

@UN:

@calvinhobbesliker:

@UN:

@calvinhobbesliker:

@bennyboyg:

One game I was able to use an ANZAC fighter and a French destroyer to kill a Japanese battleship on the Indian coast. It was pretty sweet, I lost both the fighter and the destroyer but the one-two punch was able to knock the battleship out.

That was luck. 1 DD vs a damaged BB might lose

Fixed.  :roll:

No, “might” implies they have a small chance of winning. The correct phrase is
“The DD might win”
“The BB will likely win”

I don’t have time for your Anglo-Saxon language nonsense!

Well, if you’re going to speak English, you should try to use the words properly. Otherwise, it would be like if I said: J’ai visité ma famille.

Yes, let’s speak French on a Anglo-Saxon dominated forum.

I find your lack of logic disturbing.

@calvinhobbesliker:

@UN:

@calvinhobbesliker:

@bennyboyg:

One game I was able to use an ANZAC fighter and a French destroyer to kill a Japanese battleship on the Indian coast. It was pretty sweet, I lost both the fighter and the destroyer but the one-two punch was able to knock the battleship out.

That was luck. 1 DD vs a damaged BB might lose

Fixed.  :roll:

No, “might” implies they have a small chance of winning. The correct phrase is
“The DD might win”
“The BB will likely win”

I don’t have time for your Anglo-Saxon language nonsense!

@calvinhobbesliker:

@bennyboyg:

One game I was able to use an ANZAC fighter and a French destroyer to kill a Japanese battleship on the Indian coast. It was pretty sweet, I lost both the fighter and the destroyer but the one-two punch was able to knock the battleship out.

That was luck. 1 DD vs a damaged BB might lose

Fixed.  :roll:

@calvinhobbesliker:

@Razor:

@calvinhobbesliker:

UN, when are you going to make that “Why people underestimate the French” thread?

We dont, and that’s why no french units survive T1. We dont want a french can-opener, so we just kill them as soon as possible.

UK inf will survive unless Germany decides to lose 5-6 planes strafing England. French West African inf and Madagascar DD will survive. Morocco inf will usually survive. If Taranto goes well, either the Syria inf or the Algerian inf will survive.

I really don’t think it’s right to use “will”, as though it’s set in stone that the French Med fleet won’t be saved, or the Italian player will always invade Tunisia. Out of the five Global games I’ve played, Italy has focused everything on Egypt first before whipping around to wipe the floor with the French in North Africa.

That’s what I’ll probably make a thread of, actually: the concept of chaos theory and Axis strategy instead of “this WILL happen” or “they WON’T survive”.

@calvinhobbesliker:

Here is our game position after R4:

Western Europe is virtually undefended? Are the Allies ever going to try to push into China?

@calvinhobbesliker:

UN, when are you going to make that “Why people underestimate the French” thread?

Meh, maybe sometime. It’s not that they’re a real gamebreaker or anything. The most effective they can be is to be a thorn in the side for Italy with its three North African infantry (assuming Italy doesn’t attack Tunisia), while defending the Brit fleet in the Med, or even attacking the Italian fleet if given the chance while the Madagascar destroyer defends the Red Sea (or joins up with the Med fleet in Europe 1940). I think once Paris is liberated is when it really begins to become a serious threat again.

UN, Italy should take Bulgaria to get 4 inf to take Greece I2.

That’s entirely up to the German and Italian players to decide who gets Bulgaria.

Anyway, in our current game, France is down to 3 inf(UK, Sudan[came from West Africa], Morocco[facing an Italian inf in Algeria] and the Madagascar DD in Z39[will die on Japan’s turn]). In 2-3 turns, I bet the UK inf and maybe the Sudan inf will be the only French units alive(since Sudan will likely no be taken by Italy for a while

French player didn’t consolidate the North African infantry in Algeria? That’s smart. That should happen irregardless of whether Italy decides to take Tunis on its first turn or not. Honestly, the Italian player should throw everything its got at the Brits first; they’re a much bigger threat than leaderless French infantry. Of course, this is coming from a conservative player; I try not to try to do everything at once in my first turn as an Axis player. As Germany, I either invade Britain or the USSR, not both; I’ll use the Luftwaffe either to better defeat the Allied armies in France or take out the British navy, not both. That also means that, more or less, the Axis need to decide whether they want to dominate the Atlantic or the Med. Not, initially, both.

@calvinhobbesliker:

@UN:

The Libyan units attack Tunis with 1 ftr. If Tunis is taken, they don’t need to stand guard.

Again, I’ve never seen that yet. The fighter usually teams up with the tactical bomber and Albanian forces to take Greece. Both are good options for the Italian player, however, but they can’t do both at once.

Even if they fight back, the West African inf will be used as fodder for the Brits

Assuming the Brits control the French pieces. :roll:

Italy doesn’t have a tac. It has 2 ftrs

Uhm…

@crusaderiv:

They were relatively minor skirmishes, which eventually resulted in half of the Vichy forces returning to France, and the other joining the Free French. The only real significant conflict between the Vichy forces and Allies were Operation Torch and Dakar.

No.no.no….Vichy side 1066 dead 450 wounded. 4000 dead/wounded on FF and UK side.
Battle begins june 8 and stop july 12. It wasn’t a minor skirmishes.

Madagascar battle = may 5 to november 5.
Less dead but a lot of fight.
In fact, compare to Madagascar and Syria, operation Torch was a skirmishes.

It was a minor skirmish in comparison to the titanic clashes on the Eastern Front, or the battles between the Brits and Krauts in North Africa. I didn’t say it wasn’t a bloodbath.

Still, Vichy France’s few skirmishes does not mean it deserves to be called active in the overarching war.

I don’t agree with you.
Fight occurs between Free freench-UK and Vichy.
Madagascar and Syria are good examples.

They were relatively minor skirmishes, which eventually resulted in half of the Vichy forces returning to France, and the other joining the Free French. The only real significant conflict between the Vichy forces and Allies were Operation Torch and Dakar.

French fleet was also a stake between english and german.

It was, which led to the British bombing the fleet stationed at Mers-el-Kébir. The Germans and Italians did not try to take the French fleet until 1942 at Toulon, in where the French scuttled the fleet there.

Again, the addition of Vichy rules are quite unnecessary, but there are those which really want historical accuracy, which is fine by me.  :roll:

The Libyan units attack Tunis with 1 ftr. If Tunis is taken, they don’t need to stand guard.

Again, I’ve never seen that yet. The fighter usually teams up with the tactical bomber and Albanian forces to take Greece. Both are good options for the Italian player, however, but they can’t do both at once.

Even if they fight back, the West African inf will be used as fodder for the Brits

Assuming the Brits control the French pieces. :roll:

I1, Tunis is taken. I’d prefer consolidating the other 2 in Morocco since is is reachable from EUS and further away from Italy. If they go to algeria, Italy can use is Tunis inf to attack it.

I haven’t seen a game yet where Tunis was attacked; usually the two infantry in Southern Italy opt to go to Tobruk instead, and the two infantry in Libya merely stand guard.

If the Eighth Army was destroyed, Italy will rampage Africa and will kill that inf anyway

Assuming the South African Brit units don’t fight back.  :roll:

@calvinhobbesliker:

I think the only French units that will survive until the end of the game(the real end, when VC’s are fulfilled) are the UK inf and maybe the DD. The 3 North African inf and Syria inf will be killed when their territory is captured by Italy.

Assuming the French player doesn’t consolidate them in Algeria.

The West African inf will be killed as cannon fodder for the Eighth Army.

Assuming the Eighth Army survives.  :roll:

@rhesusman:

Having the Vichy regime in the game doesn’t make a lot of sense to me for historical reasons.  Vichy played a negligible military role in the war and was completely occupied by Germany in 1942 anyway.  The terms of the armistice with Germany prevented the Vichy regime from producing anything other than infantry (at severely capped numbers).  The only French colonies of any importance that the Vichy regime managed to hold were the North African ones (sub-Saharan Africa, I believe, very quickly joined the Resistance), and those forces defected pretty quickly to the Allies after Operation Torch.

Adding Vichy rules would give the regime significance in the game that it didn’t have during the war.  Of course, you could argue, who cares, it’s just a game, but isn’t historical accuracy the only reason anyone is talking about this in the first place?

What would make more sense (from a historical, if not necessarily gameplay perspective), would be for Italy to be eliminated after Allied capture of Sicily or Southern Italy, all its units removed from the board, and a certain number of German units added to Northern Italy to reflect the fact that the Germans were the ones directing the fighting against the Allies at that point.

Well, they didn’t join the “Resistance”. The Free French and French Resistance were two completely different entities.

@calvinhobbesliker:

@UN:

@crusaderiv:

I agree Genghis Khan united Mongolia and was a superb leader. Napoleon and his hero Alexander the great are also strong contenders. But i would have to say that Attila the Hun would be my favourite leader a man who could be the thorn in the the side of the great Roman empire must be a great leader.
ya…Attila is not a bad choice but Napoleon, Alexander and Genghis Khan conquer more territtory.
No one talk about the viking….

Yeah, except, unlike Genghis Khan or Alexander, Napoleon fought wars of defensive nature, not wars of conquest.

They were both. No matter how nice he was to the conquered peoples and no matter how good his intentions were, he still conquered countries. Just like Britain conquered Canada in 1763. They treated the people well(especially after lessons learned by the American War for Independence), but they still conquered Canada(or the part of it along the St. Lawrence River; the Area around Hudson’s Bay was already British)

Oh no, I’m not denying that. It’s just that Genghis Khan and Alexander fought wars purely out of a lust for land and military conquest, much unlike Napoleon.

Here’s the thing: I’m not making this thread in my typical “French pride” fashion. I made this thread because I want to ask, why do people leave out what they do with the French pieces on the board in their after action reports on their games? Are they just invisible, or not worth mentioning (I’m not sure why 2 destroyers, a cruiser, and 5 infantry are considered not worth mentioning). What do you do with the French Med fleet if the UK saves it? What do you do with the North African infantry; combine them in Algeria and move west or east? Do you move the Syrian infantry down to Trans-Jordan?

They detail the G1, R1, UK1, AN1, IT1, US1, and even C1, but not F1. I know that the remaining French units on the board are limited in what they can do, but I want to know what people do with the North African infantry, or the Syrian infantry, or the remaining fleet. If you’re going to AAR and include China, at least include the OTHER minor power.  :roll:

@crusaderiv:

I agree Genghis Khan united Mongolia and was a superb leader. Napoleon and his hero Alexander the great are also strong contenders. But i would have to say that Attila the Hun would be my favourite leader a man who could be the thorn in the the side of the great Roman empire must be a great leader.
ya…Attila is not a bad choice but Napoleon, Alexander and Genghis Khan conquer more territtory.
No one talk about the viking….

Yeah, except, unlike Genghis Khan or Alexander, Napoleon fought wars of defensive nature, not wars of conquest.

@Redjac:

No, I am including World in Flames as a strategy game. I think Axis and Allies is the better game by far.

World in Flames has some good stuff going for it. It has a very detailed map and unit scale. It has development of the planes over the years and good rules for weather as well. It has a better convoy/sub attack system than Axis and Allies. The sea zone system for naval combat in general is very good. The oil rules were a good addition too.

So with the above comments you would think we would play World in Flames all the time right? No, we never play it anymore. It simply takes too long to play. With a half day for set up and mid game turns taking a whole day to play it can take 20 weekends to finish a game. (This is not even a complete game by the way. The axis powers normally have it won or lost by late '43 so the big Allied counteroffensives are never played out.)  And you have to leave up the game setup the entire time. In Axis and Allies you can set up at 10AM and still be finished by 9PM the same day. This is with taking breaks to get some seafood at a nearby resturant.

The strategic decisions in both games are the same - whether to reinforce Africa as the Americans, or invade UK or go straight for the Soviet Union for Germany. But in Axis and Allies, these decisions play out a whole lot faster which makes for a better game IMO. The level of detail in World in Flames may make for a better simulation but not for a better game.

…WHAT? I played a Europe in Flames game with a pal of mine a month ago; we managed to finish it that evening!

Honestly, I’m glad there’s no Vichy rules in this game. It would definately be interesting to see a House Rule of it, but it’s unnecessarily complex for the official game.

@oztea:

France “becomes” an axis power

South france would be axis controled

No, I need no freefrench. Those are UK units to me

I didn’t know UK units where the color blue, and wore Adrian helmets :?