@UN:
France is likely not intended to be played by a single person, much like ANZAC.
I don’t have Pacific, so I’m not sure what you mean. ANZAC has to be jointly controlled by two players or something? :?
Actually, it’s China that’s controlled by another player, but the UK and ANZAC may as well be played by the same person.
Hmmm, well I think Krieg said that France will be a full power…but he said that last November, so anything could have changed. :|
France is likely not intended to be played by a single person, much like ANZAC.
I don’t have Pacific, so I’m not sure what you mean. ANZAC has to be jointly controlled by two players or something? :?
@UN:
@Yoper:
@UN:
Which makes me really hope that the French player will be able to build at least infantry, artillery, and tanks.
If you don’t control your capital, you can’t produce units.
I guess I’ll have to think up of a modification to that rule then with my games. I really do not think that France should have to just “make do” with its remaining units after the Blitz.
Why not? It’s not like French tanks and artillery were produced in Africa
Because there would be no point in being France then if you had to “make do” with what you have. At least have the ability to produce infantry.
Why not have a rule to where, if the British and Americans have units in French territory, they can give them to the French player when both agree to make such a transfer? This would represent the lend-lease program for the Americans, and just arming the Free French for the British.
What’s funny about it? Hitler took Norway straight from under the noses of the Brits
No, he took Norway away from the Norwegians and invaded a neutral country. It doesn’t matter if it was because he needed to just secure resources, it was still a deliberate attack on a sovereign nation, which is aggression in my book.[
[quote]Hitler attacked France in order to destroy them before they themselves launched an attack on Germany.
Is that why we built the Maginot Line?
Another way of saying it is that he did it because he was not an idiot. He knew what would happen if he would have done nothing.
He could have not invaded Poland and provoked a conflict. No, he was the aggressor of the war for the war in Europe and especially the Blitzkrieg to the West, and will until the end of history be remembered as the aggressor.
calvinhobbesliker also makes a good point in the post above this one.
But as a fighting and producing nation, they were lost in the shadows of their Allies.
Lost in the shadows of their allies?
Let’s take a look at some of the things the French did after their country fell.
-The French fought in Africa, in Sicily, liberated Corsica, fought in Italy, took part in the invasion of Europe and fought through the battles of France and Germany–-from Normandy to Munich.
-At the Battle of Bir Hakeim in North Africa, the Free French held off the forces of Rommel’s Afrika Korps for 16 days, allowing the British 8th Army to re-organize and stall the Axis advance into Egypt at the Battle of El Alamein. They resisted with almost no support from the British and escaped only when they ran out of ammunition. If the Free French hadn’t held on as stubbornly as they did at Bir Hakeim I doubt the British Army would have had time to stop the Axis from blitzing into Egypt.
-Units from the French navy participated in the invasions of Sicily, Italy, Normandy and South France.
-Units of the French navy and merchant marine took part in convoying operations on the Atlantic and Murmansk routes.
-On June 5, 1944, the day before D-Day, over 5,000 Frenchmen of the resistance dynamited railroads in more than 500 strategic places.
-They delayed strategic German troop movements for an average of 48 hours, according to military experts. Those 48 hours were tactically priceless ; they saved an untold number of Allied lives in the Normandy Campaign.
-French resistance groups blew up a series of bridges in southern France and delayed one of the Wehrmacht’s crack units (Das Reich Panzer Division) for twelve days in getting from Bordeaux to Normandy when it would normally take three.
-About 30,000 FF1 troops supported the US Third Army’s VIII Corps in Brittany: they seized and held key spots ; they conducted extensive guerrilla operations behind the German lines.
-25,000 FFI troops protected the south flank of the US Third Army in its daring dash across France: the FFI wiped out German bridgeheads north of the Loire River ; they guarded vital lines of communication; they wiped out pockets of German resistance; they held many towns and cities under orders from Allied command.
-When the US Third Army was approaching the area between Dijon and Troyes from the west, and while the Seventh Army was approaching this sector from the South, it was the FFI who stubbornly blocked the Germans from making a stand and prevented a mass retirement of German troops.
-In Paris, as the Allied armies drew close, several hundred thousand French men and women rose up against the Germans. 50,000 armed men of the resistance fought and beat the Nazi garrison, and occupied the main buildings and administrative offices of Paris. It was only on the last day when Allied troops (French and American) came in to help the FFI forces, and by then the German garrison was ready to surrender. To the French.
DON’T FORGET ABOUT THE ANZAC INFANTRY IN EGYPT!!!
I DISRESPECTFULLY DISAGREE, I THINK THEY SHOULD NOT FORGET ABOUT THE LICHTENSTEIN SOLDIERS THAT RESISTED BRAVELY AGAINST THE GERMANS FOR A FULL 2 HOURS IN THE BLITZKRIEG
LARRY, WE NEED A LIECHTENSTEIN FACTION REPRESENTED PLEASE
Yes, really, and don’t call him “link”.
Really, this isn’t Zelda.
Really, link?
link :-D
I see what you did there.
@Yoper:
@UN:
Which makes me really hope that the French player will be able to build at least infantry, artillery, and tanks.
If you don’t control your capital, you can’t produce units.
I guess I’ll have to think up of a modification to that rule then with my games. I really do not think that France should have to just “make do” with its remaining units after the Blitz.
Are you talking about the Roman Empire?
I guess we’ll never know will we? :wink:
@CWO:
It looks as though there’s a red Cross of Lorraine in the middle of the French flag, so the box appears to be showing a Free French flag.
Well, since the Free French were mainly in Africa and that’s the only place French units will be after the first turn…
Does Italy go after or before the UK?
Well, there were Free French in Syria, and who knows, if the dice favors the French, it will take a while for the Axis to take down France, giving more time for the Soviets to prepare the inevitable German-lead invasion. :shrug:
@UN:
Less talk about some empire that existed 9000 years ago, more talking about possibilities with the French after the fall of Metropolitan France in this game. :roll:
9000 years ago? That’s 7,000 BCE, before the civilization of Egypt.
Yep, and the empire fell around 654 AD. The British Empire that supposedly came around in the 18th-20th century was a poser. :lol:
Only two possibilities exist for after France’s capitulation, it will fall, the Morning might come again, but it will fall during G1 or G2.
The first being is the French navy, probably the majority will be the Mediterranean, maybe something in the Atlantic as well. Since the there is no Vichy element, and no ‘bad blood’ between them and the British, there’ll be no loss of lives (and vessels) between allies. I can see the fleet regrouping, but most likely forming multinational defense rings with England and America. Whatever is left of the fleet that is…
As the land forces, ie infantry, they’ll be scattered in Africa and the Middle East (Syria), again, the only worthwhile option is to form multinational defense, to help the Allies stem the tide. I doubt they’ll be making many offensive campaigns.
Which makes me really hope that the French player will be able to build at least infantry, artillery, and tanks.
Less talk about some empire that existed 9000 years ago, more talking about possibilities with the French after the fall of Metrpololian France in this game. :roll:
No Charles de Gaulle? :-(
But oh my lord yes thank you for sharing that picture with us, I just hope a better one of it comes out soon…
@UN:
Note: I am joking
Note: British humor=/=Everyone else’s humor :-D
I’m not British; I’m an Indian living in the US.
Well, you could have fooled me with your avatar that basically screams “Rule Britannia”!
i hope russia will be hudge.
Here’s to hoping the Soviet Union will be hudge in Europe 1940!
france will fall G1. they fell like dominos against the german wehrmacht. they were so sure of themselves, that the germans would attack their maginot-line. suprise, they did not. i just cant undersztand why all you guys want france to play a role in this game, its bound to fall. hitler wouldnt let himself have two front on mainland europe. i will serve sauerkraut and bayer in moscow by G5.
They will fall huh? Just like the US player won’t be able to join until a year into the game (real time), or the Allies have to invade North Africa first before any other Axis territory?
@UN:
I think there should be a special rule that the British or American player can give the French player a certain amount of IPCs to use on only infantry (and perhaps artillery and tanks when certain prerequisites are met). I do not think it would be fun at all if the French player simply has to make due with what he has after the fall of Metropolitan France.
That’s why there’s not going to BE a dedicated France player…
Is that confirmed? :?
I think there should be a special rule that the British or American player can give the French player a certain amount of IPCs to use on only infantry (and perhaps artillery and tanks when certain prerequisites are met). I do not think it would be fun at all if the French player simply has to make due with what he has after the fall of Metropolitan France.
@The:
I thought the Dutch were from Denmark. Where are the Dutch from?
WOW :lol:. You know, that probably would have been a good thing to google before posting your cluelessness to the world. The dutch are from the netherlands.
You know, you probably should have sensed sarc––
oh forget it the Dutch are from Poland
Polish East Indies anyone?