@Brain:
You know what I mean, mainland US. I think 3 is good, with 4 for Canada. Any more and it is just silliness and pride.
Well… Quebec wanting to secede is just silliness and pride too… if I do say so myself.
Let them, and then Canada and US can invade and kick all them french Canadians back to France.
We don’t want them. We’ll nuke all of them if you even dare.
Easy, the game start after the Dunkirk evacuation and after the French navy was scuttled. There is no other way to do it.
The game does start after Dunkirk.
However, whether the French are “well represented” or not….they are finished after 1 round. If Germany doesnt do that, then this would be a QUICK allied victory.
I disagree. If France doesn’t fall by the end of G1, the Germans don’t automatically lose, it just means they’re in serious trouble against the Soviets and would have to think fast. I highly doubt Larry would make it so that if the French survive Germany and Italy’s first turn the Allies automatically win.
Or the Germans? Or the Americans? Sorry, but I disagree; if your cover depicts the flags of nations at war in Europe in WW2, Britain should be there. And it really doesn’t matter if we know what the Union Jack looks like, or who did what in the war - not everyone who walks into a gaming store knows world history.
There is literally no reason for the box to omit a major power. None at all.
There isn’t a reason to omit it, but I could personally care less about its absence. I’m going to enjoy the game no less, regardless of what flag is and isn’t on the cover. If you really are going to make an enormous deal about it, write to WotC, see if that’ll help.
Well, I was talking about it officially. After June 1940, France was no longer at war with Germany.
Doesn’t mean all Frenchman around the world just stopped fighting.
@Army:
You guys are reading too much into this, it is just a cover. What would be worse is they just didn’t have the UK in the game, pretended they were American, or even……French!
A cover that airbrushes out one of the major players is a bad cover. It’s not hard to get right. How would people feel if the US wasn’t represented on the cover?
So the absence of a flag that’s been represented on nearly every Axis and Allies cover makes an entire cover bad?
We know what the Union Jack looks like, we know the contribution the British made to the war, we don’t need to have their flag on every single box cover. And anyway it matters what’s inside the box, not the cover.
Well IMTO the number of French army units will have to be quite small in comparison to the German’s.
_Go ahead and let the stats fly.
Raw numbers do not equate with battlefield effectiveness and victory requires more than an awesome head count.
Indeed, as this isn’t ASL where the fine print on counters and a quagmire of rules tell the tale of the specific differences between this tank and that tank, or the limitations of the tactical doctrine of Nation X, or the morale of veterans from Nation Y, etc. etc. etc. then adjusting the quantitative difference at set-up is the only way to depict a qualitative difference.
Thus, IMTO we must face the facts that the number of units on the board will not always represent the size of the army. C’est dommage. :cry:
#532
I don’t have to give you wiki pages or anything, the mere fact that Larry said the French Army will be well represented in Europe 1940 is relieving enough. :D_
@UN:
Dang, I expected Krieg to come in here and give a cryptic answer as to what the French gets, but instead he preys on those who speak heresy.
Hmmm, OK. From what was posted above, the French will get nothing like what they got in The War Game: WWII.
Now, I may rest peacefully…until August 23, right before it comes out :(
Well…… it IS France.
:-D
Yes, it is France.
Dang, I expected Krieg to come in here and give a cryptic answer as to what the French gets, but instead he preys on those who speak heresy.
Although I’m more than a little curious as to why swiss would say the A&A team copied anything from The War Game: WWII. If they’re gonna copy anything from it, let it NOT be the number of French figures.
UN Spacey,
A-town here as well. You ever play Axis and Allies at Great Hall Games off Lamar? I need some practice with the new rules/Pacific40 before August. I got a copy of AA50 and Revised as well.
Unfortunately I will only be returning on August 11. By then I’ll probably be busy finding a job (fresh high school graduate saving up for gap year=very busy graduate).
I’ve never been there, but if I could somehow get there before August 24 and in-between finding a job I’ll be more than happy too :-D
ahhh the war game…Its A&As ugly and WAY nerdier stepsister. not that you are a giant nerd. but that game has more subrules than the Californian Constitution. Yeah France is supposed to get beaten. if they didnt then the game ends on turn 2!
It’s supposed to get beaten, but it’s also supposed to be a full power. I’m hoping France will get at least as many figures as ANZAC does.
Keep in ming that all the sculpts for that game are German
Which was the huge turn-off for me. That’s why I use A&A figures for it: Italy from my Anniversary copy, France from ANZAC pieces, and China from…well, China pieces. The rest of the powers, as expected, I use from Spring 1942 and Anniversary.
I got the game “The War Game: World War 2”, and have played it in the past two weeks. Seems like a pretty cool game to distract me from waiting for August 24, but one thing really annoys me: the French units that come with the game are almost laughable. About 7-10 infantry pieces, a minor factory, a ship or two, and no tanks, which kinda makes it hard to play as them in the 1939 scenario of the game, or to play as them once France is liberated in the game.
Now I’m sure France will be getting more than infantry in A&A, but will its pieces be appropriate for that of a full-fledged power? Larry said he wasn’t sure if France was getting its own box or not, which is even more intriguing–-if it won’t have its own box, where will the set-up be, and where will all the French pieces be?
Now on the flip side, Larry also acknowledged that France, having one of the largest armies in Europe in 1940 will be well-represented, which is also good. I’m not too concerned about this, I just don’t want to be as disappointed as I was when I opened up The War Game :(
I have three friends back in Austin willing to play A&A with me the moment I get it (I expect the pre-order to arrive either that Saturday or the next Monday), so that’s what I’ll probably do first is play it immediately with them. :-D
They didn’t defend well either(they had bad technology). For example, a British Empire army of 58,000 was able to defeat an italian army of 500,000 in Libya
Strategically, you’re right. But tactically it was a different story. Notwithstanding the almost complete destruction of the Italian 10th Army during the early part of the North African campaign, the Italians would prove to be one tough cookie, as the Allies landing in Sicily would soon discover. Same with their artillery units–-some of them would keep firing their obsolete guns at the enemy until they were literally overrun.
And yeah, their technology did suck; I once heard that a bullet from a pistol would punch through the armor of an WWII Italian tank. Not sure if it’s true, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it was. And even then, they had a bright spot: motorized vehicles. Italian motor vehicles were actually of better than average quality. Hell, Montgomery himself used some of them!
By the way, are you French?
Half. My dad is from France and my mom is from Arizona. I myself currently reside in Austin, TX (though I’m in Tiverton, RI right now on vacation) :mrgreen:
Was Bordeaux in the occupied zone or Vichy France?
Occupied zone. Now what a lot of people don’t know is that the Vichy government did have legal authority in the Occupied zone as well. It just couldn’t conflict with German military occupation rules. Bordeaux was in the Atlantic wall zone though, so to travel around that area got exceedingly difficult.
Yeah, I just found those out from wikipedia. The germans probaby attacked it for the same reason Japan in P40 attacks Mongolia: to prove they can.
I find it really funny that, despite the stereotypical Frenchman who always surrenders, Italy’s invasion of France on June 10 failed and was driven back.
Ah, Wikipedia. Nice source of info, though I take everything I read there with a grain of salt. Also yes, attacking Mongolia is fun, though I’ve only done it once.
Yeah, Italy’s military record of invading countries in WWII kinda sucks. France, Greece, Egypt. Reminds me exactly of A&A infantry: they suck attacking (unless in swarms), but they’re better at defending.
@UN:
@UN:
I am not familiar with him. Was he an imbecile or something? I guess he must have been if the French defenses evaporated like they did when the Germans came.
Does his last name not seem familiar? He’s the fool who invented the Maginot Line and encouraged the Government to spend untold millions on it.
Oh yes, I see. Evidently the French spared no expense for something that did not even work?
Its design was amazing–-if the Germans tried to attack it it would indeed fail. It just failed in its purpose of stopping them. If it had extended all the way to the English Channel with absolutely no openings it would have done something. The Germans broke through at Sedan—at the hinge where the Maginot Line ended in Belgium and the minor forts began.
Actually, near the end of the Battle of France, the Germans attacked the Maginot Line and broke through
They broke through only at several weak points; the main fortifications were still in French hands, garrisoned with commanders who were willing to hold out. Unfortunately by that time the Government had surrendered.
The weak points that they broke through were at La Ferte (southeast of Sedan), the Line between St. Avold and Saarbrücken, Germany, and the Vosges Mountains. However the Germans failed to break the Line at Wissemburg and the main parts of the Line. Evidently, the Maginot Line was not perfect, as the Germans demonstrated. But if the main attack was directed at the Maginot Line I doubt they would have gotten far.
@UN:
I am not familiar with him. Was he an imbecile or something? I guess he must have been if the French defenses evaporated like they did when the Germans came.
Does his last name not seem familiar? He’s the fool who invented the Maginot Line and encouraged the Government to spend untold millions on it.
Oh yes, I see. Evidently the French spared no expense for something that did not even work?
Its design was amazing–-if the Germans tried to attack it it would indeed fail. It just failed in its purpose of stopping them. If it had extended all the way to the English Channel with absolutely no openings it would have done something. The Germans broke through at Sedan—at the hinge where the Maginot Line ended in Belgium and the minor forts began.
@UN:
We didn’t have a chance the moment our Minister of Defense André Maginot came to power.
I am not familiar with him. Was he an imbecile or something? I guess he must have been if the French defenses evaporated like they did when the Germans came.
Does his last name not seem familiar? He’s the fool who invented the Maginot Line and encouraged the Government to spend untold millions on it.
UN Spacey…thats an AMAZING idea!!! WOW I would love to play a Blitzkrieg game. You know France Actually had a chance right?
We didn’t have a chance the moment our Minister of Defense André Maginot came to power.
I’m surprised no one has mentioned a Blitzkrieg 1940 scenario, focused on the German invasion of the Low Countries and France.
The factions would be Germany, France, Benelux, Italy, and the UK.
@UN:
@UN:
How many territories will French North Africa have, I wonder?
I see Morroco, Algeria, and Tunisia.
Same here…
IPC values: Algeria 2, Tunis 1, Morocco none (or 1 if Larry’s feeling generous)?
Are those guesses or do you see the ipc values?
Guesses. Though now that I think about it, I think it should just be Algeria 2, Tunis 1…
