@Table:
I buy anything that has the same size as the regulare A&A pieces
I will buy anything that’s the same size as A&A, the same colours as A&A and also has Infantry pieces that resemble A&A.
OUCH! but I hear my infantry make nice pill boxes. :cry:
Don’t get me wrong. Your armor units are great! They’re just the wrong size. But your infantry is just not my cup of tea.
Someone on BoardGameGeek suggested to me that it is the WotC are the wrong size. :-D
@Table:
I buy anything that has the same size as the regulare A&A pieces
I will buy anything that’s the same size as A&A, the same colours as A&A and also has Infantry pieces that resemble A&A.
OUCH! but I hear my infantry make nice pill boxes. :cry:
Don’t get me wrong. Your armor units are great! They’re just the wrong size. But your infantry is just not my cup of tea.
Many have asked for different types of infantry. In this forum Imp. Leader asked for paratroopers. How would you suggest some different units should be made?
I buy anything that has the same size as the regulare A&A pieces
I will buy anything that’s the same size as A&A, the same colours as A&A and also has Infantry pieces that resemble A&A.
OUCH! but I hear my infantry make nice pill boxes. :cry:
Hmm, I think I might have mixed them in with some old wider panthers. I don’t know if I noticed any difference vs previous wider panthers, but maybe I wasn’t looking close enough. The bottom line is that for me to use it, a tiger/JSII class tank MUST be at least noticeably bigger than the wider version of the panther to make sense and avoid heavy/medium tank confusion. That probably means creating a Pershing that is a little larger than scale. Same for a Cromwell if that’s what we’re stuck with for UK heavy tank, though the Cromwell was actually in the Sherman/Panzer IV/T-34 class. The UK should really use Cromwells instead of, or as an equivalent option for, Shermans in the medium class. The UK could then use Comets for a size-up heavy. (The Panther was actually heavier than the Sherman/Cromwell/Panzer IV/T-34 class of tanks; you could argue that a US Pershing and/or UK Comet was more an equivalent of a Panther than of a Tiger or JSII, but having 4 sizes is definitely too many; I’m not sure if I’d even really use more than 2 in my own house rules.)
No one else even had a tank in the heavy class that I know of.
This is where rules need to be made. The Sherman was a higher profile and would have a lesser defense then a Cromwell or Crusader. The Japanese tanks were kings of the battle field until another tank showed up. Now a new pricing system may need to be put in place. Sherman tanks were cheap, fast and burned easy. :-o While some low profile diesels may not have had much of a gun for offense.
It’s good to see TT back in the game, Jack (pun intended :-D)
I put in a starter order of 1 of each just to show my support and check them out to see if I want more.
Nothing like muddying the waters here, but…
I’m reserving judgement on the size issue until I see them. I’m thinking that maybe, if the pieces are worthy of completely replacing the previous tank units, the size difference would be irrelevant. I think I’m more concerned about color. Also, if the units are sized down, would that make the lighter tanks too small? That was one of the major problems with that Superpowers game: microscopic tanks that were so tiny, I was afraid that they’d get lost in a shag carpet!
I really like the ships idea, but I’m thinking something a little different. Forget all the smaller ships; the subs and destroyers can pretty much stay generic cannon fodder. But making a light carrier (or escort carrier), fleet carrier, supercarrior, light cruiser, heavy cruiser, battlecruiser/supercruiser, battleship, & super battleship variant for each country (that actually had and/or planned them) would be super-cool. Scale them to exactly the same scale as FMG (who, I understand, is creating a basically standard battleship/fleet carrier/heavy cruiser line up for each) rather than standard AA, which gives insufficient room for detail, and in the exact same colors as FMG.
For planes, pick key planes in different categories that FMG wasn’t able to do. (e.g., if he does a P-51, you do a Hellcat or a Corsair and vice versa…If he does a dive bomber for a tac-bomber, you do a topedo bomber, and vice versa…
You comment on tank size was where I was originally. When I looked at my 3D models at full scale some of them were really small. Then I tried to make a scale when I guess I could have just used 17mm / 20mm / 23mm for small, medium, large and maybe drop the Tiger.
I like the Corsair & Hellcat but once you shirk them down to 1 inch you tend to lose detail.
Now could I get away with generic carrier’s?
Yes Europe 1939 would have to be much bigger to handle my ginormus pieces. :wink:
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I’m leaning toward making the French smaller. Glad I have a little more time before cutting tools to see sales and venture capital.
Now a note to let you know that I have a set of German and American pieces on Auction at BoardGameGeek for GeekGold. I will be using the GeekGold to give away for fans to buy my new BoardGameGeek Microbadge.
Also looking into a vinyl world map 36" x 72" and was wondering if you think there would be any interest?
I’m a bit late to this thread but let me see if I got this right: The plan is to make the next four countries – Hungary, Japan, France, Russia – with the tanks smaller to fit with the A&A pieces. Then, assuming sales are good and all goes well, TT is going to go back and re-size the first four countries – America, Britain, Germany, Italy – to fit closer to A&A pieces? Is that correct? If so, what are you going to do with all the bigger pieces you’ve already made?
The Japanese and Russian tanks will be in the same scale as the first 4. The Japanese should shoot parts on Monday and the Russian units in about 3 weeks.
Now the debate is if I should make the French smaller. It really comes down to dollars. If I have the dollars to redo the other country tanks it makes sense to but if I don’t have the dollars then changing one country does not make sense. Hungary is going last so I should know before making them what will be the direction.
If the Venture Capital comes in then I can use the bigger tank molds in a complete game and cut new tools for you A&A folks.
Think of it this way -you can use the 3 smaller sets as a testbed for the market, if it works you will eventually make the others smaller. The big pieces can still be used for other games or future projects.
I can hold back on the French and the Hungarian tanks for a while. To see if the investor dollars come in.
The Japanese are done and waiting for an open molding machine and the carbon has been cut for the Russian tanks. That reminds me, I need to order concentrate for the Russian’s.
Just applied Monday at the temp service in town. I need some cash flow to complete this project.
Is the new A&A out on the market yet? I let the folks know at fairplaygames that I would take a copy. I need a French piece to match the color. And of course to see how my genormous tanks fit in the zones. :wink:
I will flat out guarantee you that if you make the French tanks in AA scale they will be better sellers than if they were ginormous.
“ginormous” I like that word.
Jack - when do you think the French & Hungarian units will be cut? And what size do you have the two Hungarian tanks at?
Here is my dilemma. If I change the scale for the last 3 countries the tanks will not look right with the first 5 already made. Hmmmmmm
Imp Leader is coming around all I had to do was send him a couple hundred buckaroos. :wink:
I’m still waiting for one of you guys to write up and publish new rules for the new infantry units. :-D
Better hurry before to many more are turned into pillboxes. :-(
Imp,
I think Japan is already cut (Jack, correct me if I’m wrong). However, the French aren’t cut yet.
That is correct and were shooting them Thursday.
@Imperious:
Japan’s CHI_HA is 28mm long
Jack,
This is too long. The maximum variation from the smallest tank to the largest should be no greater than say + or - 5 MM from standard AA sizes.
The shape and the color of the tank easily distinguishes the type. People who play these games know exactly the model tank it is and know its history. To model this “heavy tank” by making them twice the size as the others makes them unplayable. These are not supposed to be in scale, but playable in wargames. People who play GHQ and get bent out of shape because the tanks are not correct in some manner are the clear minority of your customers. The people who will support your product are using them with small maps and they need to stay small and compatible with other pieces.
And this is not a complaint it is a fact to help you make the most money on your investment.
Not everyone knows. I believe you get a dive bomber for a fighter from WotC in A&A.
I checked the cad model and the French Hitchkiss is 20mm long
Japan’s CHI_HA is 28mm long and the Kyo-Go is 22mm long will be shoot Friday this week.
Yeah, I know he has them a little pricey. I mainly mentioned it because of the Central Powers stuff he was offering. Fairplay Games seems to be out of those.
I’m even out of Central Powers.
Helping in what way? Playtesting?
If the funds are there and I reproduce the tanks in a different size then you guys can tell me what to do. Then I shouldn’t have to listen to the echo of complants. :wink:
Then if we design new product, play testers get there copies free. :-D
On a different note. I see FMG is a site Sponsor. Hey Imp Leader would you add more sponsors?
Yes. Unreservedly. No compensation at all would be great with me.
EDIT: French pieces - cut or still not cut?
I still have to make cad models for them. And I need to get you the size of the current Hotchkiss.
Still trying to catch up after GenCon.
Hey guys. I know this is a little late getting to you but there is a guy on eBay selling a lot of Table Tactics stuff if you are interested. His eBay ID is “randyjohnwayne”. If you do and advanced search you can look up stuff by member ID. Some of it is Central Powers stuff but I think most of it is the more modern weapons. He’s even trying to sell sets of these new 2010 pieces.
www.fairplaygames.com is selling them cheaper then the eBay guy.
@Imperious:
Hopefully they are going to make their own AA games?
If they do would you be interested in helping?
I like what you did and maybe we can work a chart like that into the planes but sadly cutting all new tank molds is not an option.
My options may grow because when I was at GenCon I had a meeting with some money people. They liked what I was doing and my expansion plans. The numbers they worked out suggested an investment of 2.7 million dollars. I am working on the business plan using those dollar numbers. Once completed and agreed on a deal will be closed. The agreed on part is the tough part but I will try to make it work. I have only made one other business plan and the list of detail they have put in front of me is enormous. You have to account for every penny and that is a lot of pennies.
