Posts made by Sondrax

@AxisOfEvil:

Ahh. so in naval battles with air and subs, air units must be rolled seperately from naval units? This isnt in the rules either, but a logical conclusion from this thread. How else so you know what are air unit hits or not. On the converse, a DD present allows air to hit subs, but not vice versa. So if a DD is present, then subs must now roll seperately from other naval units. Well, i guess they are the only unit that defends at 1, so this is a mute point on defense, but on offense, it an annoyance. This is complicated!!

-) if no DD is present, subs anyway hit during surprise strike, so then you roll for them seperately anyway.
-) if a DD is present, you just need to remember how many hits you had with subs. as the amount of sub hits equals the amount of naval units you have to pick as casualties.
-) if there are air units, but NO DD, you have to roll air units seperately, so you know how many surface warships are subject to be removed from the game.

@Constantinople:

Then if both survive, and if either one decides to continue with Surprise Strike it negates the ability of the other to submerge and save itself and they both continue simultaneously again?

dont think thats true because submerging happens before anyone can fire…

The sequence is:

1. Attacking subs submerge (or not)
2. Defending subs submerge (or not)
3. Unsubmerged attacking subs fire
4. Unsubmerged defending subs fire
5. Casualties are removed
6. Attacking non-sub units fire
7. Defending non-sub units fire
8. Casualties are removed.

i think the main thing that changed since revised (ok… lets say since LHTR), is that the attacker can chose to ignore subs, if they are alone in a seazone or only accompanied by transports.
apart from that, we have:
-) air units can only fire upon subs if they attack/defend together with a DD
-) subs can never hit air units.
-) also keep in mind that only DDs prevent subs from submerging and surprise striking. and also in combat rounds 2+, a DD needs to be present, if you want to cancel the enemy subs ability to submerge and surprise strike!
-) subs can move through hostile territories also during combat movement, if no enemy dd is in the zone that its moving through.

ah that reminds me of another question as well:
air units can never be subject to submarine fire or?
so a single sub can shoot down an AC with 2 ftrs with only one shot if the fighters have no place to land or? since the defender HAS to chose the AC as casualty.

aye… maybe i got a little too worked up about that “surprise” thing… but considering germany usually also has 5+ fighters available and also at least 1 bomber right away… even if UK can build 8 tanks as defense, its gonna be tough to defend within 1 turn.

point is, the UK has to start binding a lot more IPC to london.

well germany could just buy those 5 bombers AFTER it developed paratroopers (in the same turn though… since techs now come into effect immediatly).
UK, US, jap and germany baught 2 of those research tokens and just rolled each round. thats pretty cheap and you get one tech every 3 rounds (in average)

i know its very unlikely for most capitols, but for london its a pretty high risk. i will for sure keep it in mind from now on at least…and i think you will too, after you suddenly see german paratroopers in london while the UK player already warms up the dice for his r&d tokens :p

yeah true hehe… since techs now come into effect immediatly, german paratroopers are a threat even though they are not on the board yet.
lets say germany saved some money and has 65IPC at its hands… 5 for the tech + some luck = 5 bombers/inf in london right this turn. thats an attack value of 25, so UK should  always have a def value of 30+ in london… thats 15 inf, or at least 45 IPC bound to this territory. a lot more if germany developed heavy bombers prior that.
if japan or italy are in control of wcan or panama and germany also has long range, the same counts for washington and germany doesnt even need a single ship.
needless to say that moscow and stalingrad need to live with this in mind as well.

ofc this works both ways, but with the axis capitols beeing surrounded by water or other “big” territories, its just not that imminent.

i think this just needs some sort of house rule…

well 12 IPC for a bomber is not much in AA50, with those NOs theres generally much more money available than it was in revised. having 50-60 income seems to be the norm for US, germany and jap. russia also remains around 30 for a long time. even italy should get 20+ for a few rounds at least… UK prolly wont stay at its 43IPC starting income, but should remain above 30ish anyway.

thx krieg, we kinda assumed that but werent sure :D
what may also need some clarification is: “the bombers must stop in the first hostile territory”. does that include hostile SZs?

i played aa50 yesterday with some friends… the german developed paratroopers in his first round. having played with paratroopers in revised already (when they were only able to transport inf during non combat movement) no one of us thought about those beeing a threat untill there were 9 bombers landing in London lol

i wonder though… is it really intended that bombers can also pickup their cargo along the way? (its not really mentioned in the rules… but neither denied)
germany is now able to permanently threaten uk without having a navy.

@Imperious:

Please scan the Set ups and player aids and use Mediafire.

If possible scan the rules and do the same

Then we can post our hearts content at Avalon Hill and show up slowpoke and WOTC because we got the info before they did anything to stop it.

im afraid i cant get that done soon enough, dont have scanner at home and got too much going on, the upcoming days :(

@Bluestroke:

Sondrax,

Item:Germany, 1942 are we missing Ukraine, you noted Eastern Ukraine.

true, theres 2inf and 1arm in ukraine in 1942.

@Bluestroke:

item:Also, no UK 1942 naval units around Australia, sub?

thats correct ya… no naval uk units around australia in 42.

ah yeah… i already forgot this was originally about subs lol
sorry for the confusion and thx for the answers :)

@Krieghund:

A lot of LHTR did go into AA50, but some things have changed.

actually… according to the AA50 rulebook, all seaunits do have to participate in the sea battle.

@Bierwagen:

I’m also interested in where you got the cool clamps you use to keep the board together.  It sounds like we’re going to need something like that for the AA50 OOB map.

thats in deed something i would also like to have!

hm no… nothing special actually.
only thing that appears new to me untill now is that aa guns dont fire anymore on air units that fly over that zone during the combat move phase.

gotta say that game board itself is a little… dissapointing. not from its look or anything, but i thought that you could somehow plug it together. you however cannot do that. so the 3 parts of that gameboard are kinda on the lose… :(
they are already a little bent although for the first time out of the box… gonna need to think about something there or they will be totally annoying im afraid.

@JohnBarbarossa:

I cannot detect any changes in the UK and Italy setups.
This would mean that the only differences are in the Japanese setup, meaning:

• 1 inf in Iwo Jima
• 1 extra loaded trn in SZ 61 (I think - the description is a bit vague to me)
• SZ 62 altered (this can be a big thing)

I would not call this minor changes (even though the other 5 countries are unchanged). Especially the extra trn can prove very important.
But on the other hand. If you have all the knowledge, wouldn’t you want to let people guessing the most? Maybe Graig let us believe the changes are more important then they are. I am happy that I playtested the GenCon setup since it is very close to the real thing.

that seems correct to me as well ya.

1trn-incl-1inf/1art, 1trn-2inf is supposed to mean: 1transport with 1inf/1art and 1 transport with 2 inf

some stuff from reading over the rules for the first time:
China: the us player must complete the chinese combat move and conduct combat phase before beginning the combat moves for the us forces, OR vice versa. (so they cannot attack together)
the IPC value of those chinese terretories can only be earned by the axis. not new, but now confirmed that china gets 1 inf per 2 terretories that are controlled by the allies on the purchase units phase of the us player. they can be placed on any chinese controlled terretory, but not on any, that contains 3 or more units (independend whether those units are uk/us/russian ones it seems)
this is interesting then:
“chinese units have a limited range of occupation, displayed by the colored boreder. they can also be moved into the japanese occupied terretories of kiangsu and manchuria. china can take control of these terretories and have them ciount toward their new infantry placements. chineese units cann0ot load onto transports.
kwangtung is a special case. while it is not a chinese territory and cannot be controlled by china, chinese forces can attack axis units there and occupy it, but the ipc generated go to the UK. this is the only non-chinese terretory that chinese units may occupy.”

the us fighter thats in china at the setup, moves together with chinese forces and cannot be replaced by another, if lost.

the R&D rules are exactly like mentioned in the fact sheet at http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=12412.0

blah i wish i could just take pics, but i lent my cell phone to a friend whos in korea this week since his doesnt work there etc etc

anywy here we go:

1941

Uk setup for 1941:
SZ9: 1DD, 1trn
SZ2: 1BB, 1trn
UK: 2inf, 1art, 1arm, 2ftr, 1bomb, 1aagun, 1ic
SZ6: 1dd
wcan: 1inf
kwangtung: 1inf
SZ41: 1dd, 1trn
AUS: 3inf, 1art, 1aagun
india: 3inf, 1art, 1aa gun
SZ35: 1dd, 1trn
trans-jordan: 2inf
SA: 2inf
egypt: 2inf, 1arm, 1ftr, 1art
SZ12: 1DD, 1cruiser
ECan: 1arm
burma: 1inf

italy 41:
italy: 1inf, 1arm, 1ftr, 1art, 1aa, 1ic
balkans: 2inf, 1arm
libya: 2inf
sz14: 1bb, 2cruiser, 1trn

as for germany: this setup here for 41 is actually correct: http://images.boardgamegeek.com/images/pic362552_md.jpg
also the japan setup here: http://www.boardgamegeek.com/image/362559?size=original is correct apart from an inf missing on iwo jima (litte island, east of japan). also note that japan is now actually an island… beeing fully surrounded by SZ 62. that load of stuff in SZ61 (formosa) = 1AC, 2ftr (with another one beeing on the island formosa itself), 1bb, 1cru, 1trn-incl-1inf/1art, 1trn-2inf

1942

Uk 1942:
SZ1: 1cruiser, 1trn
sz2: 1dd, 1bb, 1trn
uk: 2inf, 1art, 1arm, 2ftr, 1bomb, 1aagun, 1ic
wcan: 1inf
NZ: 1inf
aus: 3inf, 1ftr, 1aagun
india:3inf, 1aagun
sz35: 1dd, 1ftr, 1AC, 1trn
persia: 1inf
sz15: 1dd
trans-jordan: 1art, 1inf
sz27: 1trn
sa: 1art, 1inf
egypt: 3inf, 1arm, 1ftr
ecan: 2inf, 1arm

italy 42:
italy: 2inf, 2arms, 1ftr, 1art, 1aa, 1ic
balkans: 2inf, 1arm
libya: 2inf
sz14: 1bb, 2cruiser, 1trn

germany 42:
germany: 4inf, 2arm, 1ftr, 1bomb, 1aa, 1ic
sz5: 1dd, 1cru, 1sub, 1trn
nor: 3inf, 1ftr
fin: 2inf
pol: 2inf, 1arm
baltic: 3inf
east poland: 2inf, 1ftr, 1art
belor.: 2inf, 1arm
eukr: 2inf, 1arm
czech: 2inf
bulg: 2inf, 1arm, 1ftr
libya: 1inf, 1arm
moro: 1inf, 1art
sz13: 1dd, 1trn
france: 1inf, 1arm, 1ftr, 1aa
sz8: 1sub
sz7: 1sub,
nw_eur: 1inf, 1arm

and jap 42:
formosa: 1ftr
kiangsu: 3inf
manchuria: 2inf, 1ftr
jap: 1arm, 1art, 4inf, 1ftr, 1bomb, 1aa, 1ic
sz62: 1bb, 1trn
sz50: 1cru
iwo: 1inf
oki: 1inf
wake: 1inf
caroline: 1inf
sz51: 1ftr, 1ac, 1dd
sz46: 1sub
solomon: 1inf
new guinea: 1inf
phil: 2inf
borneo: 1inf
sz38: 2ftr, 1ac, 1bb
east ind: 1inf
burma: 1inf
fr.indochine: 2inf, 1ftr
kwang: 1inf

was 100 euros here

my retailer here in vienna, austria, got AA50 today and im holding it in my hands already OMG!
gotta say it looks even bigger than i would have thought hehe

jeezes i love this christmas feeling, cant wait to get a game set up :)