@WILD:
Would have liked to see a 3rd optional rule for no ICs on islands (Oz has brought this up on another tread). We really liked that in G40, and I kinda expected it to be brought over to 1942 2nd edition. Maybe it will be added as an option in the official faq
Smo63 will that be the case in the tourney’s, will you outlaw island ICs? Didn’t see anything about it in your pdf file about 1942 2nd ed tourney rules.
Didn’t plan on it. Why would we?
@Imperious:
AA41 fits tournaments better. You can get in alot of games and have semi and final be AA42 2nd.
Playing more games in a fixed amount of time get you more accurate results of determining who is the best player and the lowest common denominator game should be used to determine who has greater skills.
I really don’t seeing this happen. If it would, it would be for novice and amatuer players only.
That is one of the problem I believe we have had recently. People are kind of tired of losing continuiously to the same 3 or 4 teams. If you break out the events, to level of play, then it would draw in more people. The diehards in the Masters and the AA50 event while 1941 for the more casual players.
Peace,
Greg
Yes it is essentially that. Hey I’m OK with that. Its much better than first edition and in some ways better than Anniversary- a little simplier. Nat.Obj/Tech, extra rules left to the G40 which is probably where its suppose to be.
Greg, AA42 2nd edition IS your premier tourny game.
1. It fits your tourny format the best.
2. No NatObj or Tech or extra rules- simplied for tournament format.
3. No 41/42 versions like AA50 to argue over which to play.Its like the game was made for your tourny rules. I would bump the time up to 6hrs though. You’ll get 8 rounds of play with that- that’s very very solid. Hope this turns out for you over the next couple of years. With limited copies of AA50, that with slowly fade over the next 5 years especially if this game exceeds expectations which it might.
G40- love that game- its just not made for a tournament- takes longer to develop so you have to play a lot of rounds or you don’t do it justice, but at the same time people don’t wanna stay to play that long in a tournament format however. That’s why this game is perfect for the AA community online. Its just better for that game.
AA41 has great potential for tournaments also. Actually looking forward to playing this one too.
Yes, it is gonna be eventually. We have to see how well players respond to it at GEN CON, but yes, It will be…I have already changed the format for this from 1942 to 42 2nd ed. I think it will do well…oh, and we can’t go to 5 or six hours this year just because times and event parameters have already been set. I see it going to 5 more so than six. Again, guys, you got to remember, we got to fit it into a time frame to get all games in whatever setup we come up with.
I really don’t see it eating into AA50. Though only time will tell. I think the biggest problem with AA50 is that the limit to who has to game has been reached. Outside of the few stray copies someone might have out there, the players field is now limited.
Oh, reminder, I will be giving a Larry Harris signed still shrink wrapped AA50 game at GEN CON. For anyone playing in any event at GEN CON, I have a door prize give away on Sunday and I give away tons of games AA shrits, etc. and my last copy of AA50 will be given at that time…so…
As G40, I still have hope that we can have a good tourney at GEN CON. Yes, it might be suited better for online play but I still want to give it another shot…
As for 1941, I will only be using this as a begineers game at this time. If we get enough novice and casual players interested, we might have a tournametn in the future, but it will only be fore those that are not as versed in the AA gaming field…
With this being said, I can see us having a novice tournament, A Masters (based on 1942 2nd Ed.), an AA50 event and depending on how G40 goes, maybe one for that. Regardless, that is the way I see it…
Peace,
Greg Smorey
Axis & Allies Tournament Director/GM - GEN CON/Origins/Spring Gathering.
Donation made.
Don’t want to confuse him with different rules and different playing styles and pieces when he’s just starting out. Trying to get what will be the standard and start him off on a good footing. Sometimes you have to wait for good things but it would be nice to know what you’re waiting for.
And it was posted end of week would when info was released… So that was why I asked.
If your son is 9 I might recommend the new 1941 edition. It is by far the simplest and best introductory version to come out since the original Milton Bradley edition. Give him 2 years or so of this had he will be moving up to through 1942, anniversary and eventually… Global 1940. But for a 9 yo the new 41 is a great place to start. 1942 2nd Ed will be even more complex than the current 1942 edition which is still probably a lot for a 9 yo. If you want him to love it he has to be able to be a pro and 1941 is the best chance that he will be able to develop his own strategy and take you down in a game or two. Plus then every successive edition will always have new, more fun, complex and historical elements to it!
Just my 2 cents. Happy gaming.
And I second that motion. I have a 9 year old son as well. He likes watching us play AA and rolling dice but loves the structure of 1941 much better now they made it simpler. And everyone at Origins that played for the first time, including adults loved it as well…
Peace,
Gregory J. Smorey
Axis & Allies Event Organizer/GM - GEN CON/Origins/Spring Gathering
www.headlesshorseman2.com
“The best luck of all is the luck you make for yourself” - MacArthur
Canuck12,
Unfortunately, you may be right, but it is much better than it was…and even though, it does bring it much closer to AA50, it will never be AA50.
And on that note, and not sure if you guys have heard me say this before regarding AA50, unless the Germans bomb Pearl Harbor :lol: AA50 won’t be reprinted. At least that is what I have been told by those that know a thing or two about AA.
It was intended to be a limited print run for the 50th Anniversary of AH, that that is that. I guess you could look at it being the “Black Lotus” of the AA world for all you MtG players out there…
Peace,
Gregory J. Smorey
Axis & Allies Event Organizer/GM - GEN CON/Origins/Spring Gathering
www.headlesshorseman2.com
“The best luck of all is the luck you make for yourself” - MacArthur
Thanks for that, Greg. I sure hope we get some official answers/errata soon from Krieg soon.
It’s such a shame that Larry can’t just take a look at a prototype sample of a given game before it’s released! I’m sure ANY other board game company could do a better job than WotC… I just wish they cared. :-(
I believe most of the time he does. Just sometimes things fall through the cracks and things get sent out before his stamp of approval goes on it. You guys are perfectionist and that makes it tough on all of us when it comes to AA. I know that from my standpoint, it would be very nice if we lived in a perfect world were things could be just as is and it made everyone happy. But the reality of it is that, WotC is a company and looks at it from a business standpoint. Whatever that means?
All I am saying is that I am not sure ANY other board game company could do better than WotC?
Peace,
Gregory J. Smorey
Axis & Allies Event Organizer/GM - GEN CON/Origins/Spring Gathering
www.headlesshorseman2.com
“The best luck of all is the luck you make for yourself” - MacArthur
Guys,
Yes, it is 13 VC. Honolulu was missed. Can’t comment on the quality control issue but remember, Larry is in Mass. while WotC is in Washington. Things like this are bound to happen.
As I understand it:
The rule book (on page 6 – HOW THE WAR IS WON) will eventually be corrected to read:
On the map are thirteen victory cities crucial to the war effort. As the game begins, the Axis controls 6 of these cities and the Allies control 7 of them. The Allies begin the game controlling Washington, London, Leningrad, Moscow, Calcutta, Honolulu, and San Francisco. The Axis powers begin the game controlling Berlin, Paris, Rome, Shanghai, Manila, and Tokyo. The standard victory condition is if your side controls three more total victory cities than it started with (9 for the Axis or 10 for the Allies) at the end of a complete round of play (after the completion of the U.S. turn), you win the war.
Page 23 (WINNING THE GAME) will also be corrected. The third column in the chart will read “9 for Axis and 10 for Allies” (or something similar) and “13”.
You should also note that the German and UK starting IPCs as listed on page 6 are incorrect. Germany should read 41 (not 40), and the UK should read 31 (not 30).
That is what we have to date…
Peace,
Gregory J. Smorey
Axis & Allies Tournament Director/GM - GEN CON/Origins/Spring Gathering
www.headlesshorseman2.com
“The best luck of all is the luck you make for yourself” - MacArthur
I was really hoping I wouldn’t have to buy this game. They told me that the previous 1942 edition would be “the flagship AA game for years to come” and I was happily married to it until they drop this crazy b��t��d child born of a kinky threesome between 1942, Anniversary, and some tranny wh��e named Alpha +3. (AAArtilery? WTF?)
So what I’m trying to say is that like any good sex addict, I’ve got to take this one for a ride. Sure, we’ve seen all of these tricks before, (Malaya, big china, Baltic states, Finland (ooooh, Finland!)) but you just HAVE to play it! You could have the hottest (most balanced) girlfriend you could ever want but one day something in a skin tight short skirt and tube-top is going to walk by and you’re going to have to have her!
My biggest problem is: did they have to make her a butterface? I mean this has got to be THE UGLIEST AA map I have ever seen! Mongolia looks like something I left beside the toilet after too many jagerbombs and dry ribs, Norway’s case of gonorrhea (Sweden) has gotten even worse than last time and is close to infecting Germany. Japan’s anorexia has reached the point o medical concern and Africa’s head is lumpier than ever!
You can’t put a paper bag over this one guys (can’t see the seazones) I guess that’s what doggystyle is for. We all gotta play her, just make sure not to mash her face into the pillow that you’re going to sleep on!
thank you for the wonderful entertainment. one of the best posts i have seen on this site, even if i do not agree with the premise.
I agree. Outside of the line definition that needed to be made clearer in some cases, it is a very nice board…
Greg,
1. Battle Calc apps not at your tourny- that’s your call. � I understand. �
2. So you ARE open to the idea of automatic bids to a Masters or Semi-finals for online tourny winners @AA.org??? � I’ll hold you to it if you really mean that- I think many hear would be interested in that. � I could organize it here from our end. � It could really turn out to be something.
3. So you never said that the online players “brainwashed” Larry and that you weren’t upset. � Boldfaced lie. � Yeah OK Greg, that’s just flat out ignorant. � :roll:
Guys,
If you have not noticed the biggest glaring error, and I am not sure it these has been posted in that Honolulu is a VC but not listed in the rules as such. BIG, miss…
I also need to apologize for posting this here but I believe I need to clear the air with questioneer…and if Dave will permit it…but,
Q, You need to read what I said, I said; “Yes, that is a direct quote. Because in my opinion, you did. If you didn’t we wouldn’t be having this argument, debate, call it what you want, I never denied saying that.”
So, it isn’t a boldface lie. You just can’t read… :roll:
Lets get back to the topis as the guys suggest…
Peace,
Greg
Dave,
Thanks, you beat me to posting the setup cards. Nice job…
Peace,
Greg
@Cow:
No, NO games are fun, just give axis a 7 bid or something if it is aa50 1941. No bid for 42.
No bid for global, japan is harder to deal with. Russia and London harder to capture. evens out.
Cow, but the bid helps to determine who plays what side without having to just roll a dice. It give the players something to shoot for when determining what side they would rather play…
@Scarapis:
@Scarapis:
By the Way i’m curious if any of these arbitary rules are in the Official game rulebook or even errata put out by WotC cause I have found none regarding said rules, and to be honest I would be a bit miffed if I went to a game con to play a game along the current rules and find out some organiser decided to throw in some rules he made up for fun.
These are NOT arbitrary rules.� They are rules created to be able to play the OTB AA games in a tournament setting.� Larry has agreed to most of these rules and in some cases written portions of them.� SO, I am not sure I understand what is there not to understand and what is so arbitrary about this…?
So lets get this straight, you make up rules along with Larry (why doesn’t he do an errata for Hasbro/WotC/AH to put out?), and yet never checked with said companies to seek approval for said rules used in an official game environment, its one thing if you were just some people getting together and playing a game, but you represent the game itself and it behooves you to abide by the game rules or any other sanctioned rules supplied by them would it not? or do you not represent them, since sorry if your were in one of my teams, you would be terminated for failure to comply with the company guidelines.
And we do…That is our point. We take the rules, clarify what is in print, select whether or not we play with he OPTIONAL rules, then add time to the game and make sure everyone is playing under the same system.
Larry really doesn’t want to have anything to do with this. Yes, he helps me when I ask. Nor does WotC. That is why they leave it up to me…Never until this year have we had a problem. Once G40 surfaced I went Larry for help and he suggested I go to Questioneer (because he does know what he is talking about when it comes to G40) and many online gamers infiltrated the new rules for the game, is when we started having problems, difference of opinions, etc.
I would love to see Gar come and run any event where he is getting players from all over the world, come in and try and play each individual game by its own rules set. How is the heck would you determine a winner? He would be laugh at or yelling at, one of the two…
Casual players are idiots…
Perhaps you should pull your head out of the sand :-) and realize that we all play face to face, with Gar being one of the most hard core out of the lot as he flew across Canada to play a bunch of us at the FMG convention. I drove 10 hours from southern New England to be there, but I suppose because i’m on a post board I must automatically be some sort of shut in right? cause that’s not stupid assumption or anything. These forums are where we come to share our experiences with the game and impart some our insight with each other, so you can trumpet that you’re all about what the players want, but its pretty obvious you only represent WotC interests.
See this is exactly what I am talking about jim. Clyde Calling people idiots when the only idiot is probably the one that wrote that. Then to call Gar hardcore, do you even know what hardcore even means…?
And I don’t only have the interest of WotC here. I have only the interest of those that attend and want to play AA.
We are talking about just trying to establish an means by which ANYONE, “idiots” and all can come and play AA ftf in a great setting. If you are a “Hardcore” player, come have at it but don’t take your frustrations out on the ones that might be the ones that beat you in the end?
The only thing I wonder at, is why smorey seems so hostile?
+1
jim,
Why you ask, because, I am the one taking the brunt of the criticizm for the FTF tournament play at GEN CON and Origins.
And outside of Questioneer, I am not aware that anyone else that is commenting negatively has ever been to an event we put on.
Then for comments to be made like we are incompetent and we have no idea how to play AA, gets to you.
And not to mention, these guys are great at pushing ones buttons. I would call them names, but then they would just accuse me of attacking them first…
I just gets real old fast…
@Scarapis:
By the Way i’m curious if any of these arbitary rules are in the Official game rulebook or even errata put out by WotC cause I have found none regarding said rules, and to be honest I would be a bit miffed if I went to a game con to play a game along the current rules and find out some organiser decided to throw in some rules he made up for fun.
These are NOT arbitrary rules. They are rules created to be able to play the OTB AA games in a tournament setting. Larry has agreed to most of these rules and in some cases written portions of them. SO, I am not sure I understand what is there not to understand and what is so arbitrary about this…?
Questioneer,
OK, let me try and explain this to you in the simplest terms I know how. I know that you are an extremely intelligent person; I respect you for all you have done for the AA online community and the AA gaming community in general, but hear me out.
Let me start with the fact that, we have created a game system from the original rules of each and every Axis & Allies game for people to come and play at a CON, FTF. We have created rules system from the original, out of box rules, in every case and revised them to fit into the Convention time frame for fun and enjoyable games for all level of players. Then we take those that are interested in competing in a tournament format for specific games, i.e. G40, AA50, 1942, etc. and used the time allotted and the suggestions of all those that have played in the past, to make a game format for each specific game that fits the need.
So, to answer your first question:
@questioneer:
As far as the simulator, its a simple battlecalc on a phone app we could use. I just simply gives the odds- that’s its- nothing to be intimidated about. It really doesn’t give you much of an advantage. Its just a handy tool. Have you banned this from the GenCon tourny??? I don’t see that ban in any of the rules Greg posted.
All electronic devices are NOT permitted in any tournament event that I run at any of the CON’s. Why? Because, one, it is not in the box that game comes in. And two, not everyone has access to the same information as one with one of these toys. And last, I know enough about online gaming apps, you are cheating the game. I don’t care how simple you might think it is and how much of an advantage you might think it doesn’t give one over another, if everyone can’t have one, and then you can’t. Simple.
Ok, you bring up, other games. It comes down to a simple fact that playing any game online is a different experience than playing FTF. Most if not all board games were created and designed to be played ftf. Not online. That always comes afterwards. And there isn’t any game designer that would tell you, including Larry, that playing AA online is different from playing ftf. And one can’t force the way one plays under either system on the other…
Here again, Axis & Allies is a series of board games designed to be played ftf in front of people without the use of AI. I am sorry if someone can’t grasp that, but it is what it is…when WotC or Larry tells me that you need to start having online games at the CON’s and supplies me with all the utilities do to so…I am all for it.
I do Dominion qualifiers here and for Dominion (as well as Catan, 7Wonders I believe also) they hold FTF Qualifiers AND Online qualifiers. Now the online qualifiers for Dominion use a point/card counter- again its a tool but not a huge advantage. Never really made a difference and the Nationals proved it.
I figure if these other great games allow winners of online qualifiers into their national tournaments, why shouldn’t Axis and Allies???
I never said that I wouldn’t allow winner of online qualifiers into our tournaments. I have NEVER denied anyone to come and play at any event I run. It is that you guys want me to run it the way you play your online events. I guarantee, the online gamers don’t have access to the simulators when playing in the national tournaments FTF. I know they don’t for Settlers.
Greg has recently challenged the online players saying essentially if they really know how to play then they should just come to his tournaments and proof it. OK then, if the best of these online gamers come to GenCon (some may come from out of the country- Canada and elsewhere), and come to play in a format on HIS terms (which most of the online gamers despise), then the least we would require is automatic bids from our own qualifiers for teams in the semi-finals or masters- regardless if our online qualifiers have a “time constraint”.
If you and Greg are even remotely interested in this, that would be meeting us halfway and compromising.
Ok, so I have challenged you and other so called online experts to come and play FTF. What is the big deal? Lets see how much of a difference it is…?
But regardless of who comes, you have to play under the rules set forth by the tournament. I wouldn’t expect to come and play online and insist on playing by our set FTF rules! For those that come to play at the CON’s, you have to play by the terms by which the game creator has set and just common sense rules to get games in a timely manner so that a tournament could exist. Plus, 90% of all the rules that we have created for each event have been created at the suggestion of the players. Just like G40 rules done by you.
As for the automatic bids from your own qualifiers, what you are asking then to me to sanction Axis & Allies events across the world. I can’t do that. I would be more than happy to entertain the thought of inviting online gamers that win local online tournaments to GEN CON and play in the Masters, though it will must be with the understanding that those invited must play under the rules established by our tournaments.
Greg, from my conversations with him, doesn’t seem to respect the play here on Triple A and AA.org. He was pretty upset with the whole Alpha project simply because Larry chose to wisely use and listen to the online community of AA players over him. He mocked the online players and their knowledge of the game and stated that they didn’t know what was good for the game and such. Now mind you he did this during the time I thoroughly updated him on Alpha project only by his invitation to help create a G40 tourny format for GenCon/Origins.
That is your opinion. Hey, I did respect you and all online gamers up to this point. But with attacks like this, it is kind of hard too. All I am trying to do here is run events and I get slammed none stop by you guys because you continual tell us we are “incompetent” or “we have no idea how to play AA”.
And I am NOT nor was I ever upset with the Alpha project simply because Larry chose to listen to online community of AA players, especial over me. I am not that arrogant. I didn’t want to help on the G40 rules after the first version. I told Larry that and it doesn’t get any simpler than that. I didn’t have the time nor did I want to continue on in the play testing after the initial game was done.
And me mocking the online players, Shiloh, here again, the only mockery that has ever come from me is of Ohio State Fans, Bengal Fans and to your responses, to your arrogance of how much better you are at knowing Axis & Allies than myself and other FTF players. Heck you even say it in the next paragraph by saying, “he really didn’t understand the game’s strategies and flow.”
With every criticism of the changes made in G40, I had to walk him through why those decisions were made and why they were the best solutions. He was very uninformed with the G40 development and really didn’t understand the game’s strategies and flow. Its very different from the others. Much more complex. He kinda took offense to that and thinks the online gamers “brainwashed” Larry. Yes, that is a direct quote. So him saying he never said anything like that is a flat out lie.
I shot back at him quickly saying he needs to show a little more respect to the online AAplayers who play the games 5-10 times more than his FTF guys do and have spent a lot of unselfish time working with Larry on the project. So I know he says one thing in front of others but he definitely feels a different way behind closed doors. Point being, his ego gets in the way of progress sometimes.
Get over yourself. You don’t think this is you taking personal jabs at me for just asking for help. I was very informed with the original G40 development bud. My name is on the rules. I understand the strategies and such just not the way online gamers look at it and that is all I was asking for with your input.
I only took offense to your attacks at me for not understanding why something had changed. Real professional on your part. Especially coming from a professor.
Shiloh, Don’t ever accuse me of saying something to anyone in front of others and then stabbing them in the back or changing my story. Bud, you crossed the line, again, and again with attacks like these. You don’t even know me and for you to make accusations like this…
Yes, that is a direct quote. Because in my opinion, you did. If you didn’t we wouldn’t be having this argument, debate, call it what you want…I never denied saying that.
And I shot back at you quickly saying that, that means nothing in what we are trying to accomplish here. Dude if you really want to add up the unselfish hours I have dedication to the game of Axis & Allies over the past 19 years, you are more than welcome to, but I am not going to because all that is when someone brags about how much time and effort they worked on something and not even recognizing the others first, now then, who is the one with an inflated ego…
Shiloh, I am done with this conversation. If you want to join us at any of the CON’s you know I will be there. And keep me posted on events you have, I might be able to break away sometime and get to one. Hell, maybe even a weekend I am at the BIG HOUSE, but regardless, I am not really sure if you are just showing off for your online buddies or if you really are a malicious as you are regarding your comments in this post. And I really had hoped that we could come to an amicable conditions regarding this, but I guess not…
Yeah Questioneer, I agree,
I can’t justify adding time to an event that has been scheduled since February. That is one of the hurdles one has to deal with when designing events for you guys. Sometimes some just understand. And I am not talking about you Questioneer…I appreciate all the help you have given me and used it to the “T” and plan to do so again at GEN CON. I hope the results are different for G40.
But as for 1942 2nd ed. That is why I am trying to put something together so everyone is on the same playing field for GEN CON.
Peace,
Greg Smorey
Axis & Allies Tournament Director/GM - GEN CON/Origins/Spring Gathering
Wow…said something nice about the games.� � But wait, I thought All other AA games equaled “Candyland” in comparision to G40?
Greg, I’m surprised you actually use the “internet”- seeming how you think Triple A/Online players are inferior to your boys at GenCon.
Shiloe,
I know we jab at each other a lot, but please don’t ever put words in my mouth when you know they aren’t true. �
You know I never said that and that you are the one I believe have beat the FTF players down by making comments like, “they have no idea to play the game” Etc.
I never nor will I ever say that anyone is inferior to any one else especially when it comes to playing AA. � All I have said that it is a board game. � And when online players come to play FTF, the are in for a big surprise when it comes to playing FTF. �
I thought we agreed that we will never really know if one is better than another. � So, I am not really sure if you are serious or not, but I don’t appreciate you putting words in my mouth regarding this. � If anything, the whole point, is that online players talk smack about the games but when it comes to playing FTF, well there is one excuse after another.
That is why it is so great that I will get to meet Dave J. again…
Peace,
Greg Smorey
Axis & Allies Tournament Director, GM-GEN CON/Origins/SGFirst spell my name right…Shiloh
Secondly, you HAVE personally attacked online players…don’t make me pull out the emails…checkmate.
Third, let’s throw some ideas around here…what if we were to create tournaments for each of the games here at AA.org: say the new 2nd edition 1942, the new 1941 game, G40 and maybe AA50 (though I think that’s on its way out the door).
These tournaments would be qualifiers so to speak. � Each of these tournaments would use the format that you use at the FTF tournaments- GenCon/Origins, barring the time constraints of course since online gamers go live or use TripleA/PBF.
The finalists (2 teams from each game type) of each of these tournaments wins a weekend pass to GenCon maybe even with a Hotel stay, and they will all earn and automatic bid to play in the Semi-Finals of each game type. � Or if you have a Masters tournament- they earn automatic bids to the Masters.
It can happen. � I can organize it. � The gauntlet has been laid. � Those are the terms. � What do you think???
Ok, sorry about that, it was a typo…but then, have at it. I have NEVER said that “Triple A/Online players are inferior to your boys at GenCon.” You can staring looking because you won’t find it unless somehow you have a way to change what I said to you.
I have said that online players have a hard time adjusting when they play FTF players at any CON when they aren’t used to the system and a lot of times, do get their butts kicked. But I never said they are inferior. :roll:
Guys,
Here are the rules if you like:
http://smo63.fatcow.com/pdf/19422ndedrulebook1.pdf
Peace,
Greg Smorey
Axis & Allies Tournament Director/GM - GEN CON/Origins/Spring Gathering
Guys,
I have downloaded the official Rulebook as well on the Swamp. So, take a look. Though, as noted in the thread above, there are some changes that will occur based on mine and Larry’s conversation regarding such. They are basically typo’s and need to be fixed.
http://smo63.fatcow.com/pdf/19422ndedrulebook1.pdf
Thanks,
Greg Smorey
Axis & Allies Tournament Director/GM - GEN CON/Origins/Spring Gathering