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    • Glorious Failure

      Very good article:

      Obama’s Speech – A Glorious Failure
      By Rich Lowry

      In his hour of political need, Barack Obama went to his base – the media. He delivered a speech about the nation’s racial divisions that couldn’t possibly get anything but lavish praise from the press, burying for now the controversy over his longtime pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

      A gifted writer, Obama can plumb depths most politicians can’t, and he spoke truths about the state of race relations in America in an unusually frank and subtle way. But Obama’s speech, like his congregation at Trinity United Church of Christ that he described so lyrically, contains multitudes. Swaddled in all the high-mindedness was rhetorical sleight of hand about the Rev. Wright.

      Ultimately, he sought to justify his relationship to a pastor who believes the U.S. government spread the AIDS virus and has called on God to “damn America.” This makes comparisons, say, to Lincoln’s “House Divided” address perverse. Lincoln delivered a tightly argued speech elevated to greatness by its moral discernment and purpose. For all its eloquence, Obama’s speech didn’t hang together logically and had at its core a moral relativism explaining away Rev. Wright’s hatreds.

      Obama explicitly denied that he was excusing Wright’s views, even as he did it in exceptionally high-toned sophistry. The reason Obama had to give a 38-minute speech is that he was incapable of saying four unadorned words, “I made a mistake.” He could have said long ago that his gratitude to Wright for bringing him to Christianity and his bond with the church community blinded him to Wright’s lies about America and hateful rants. Most of the public would have understood, and forgiven him.

      Obama did rap Wright on the knuckles. He said Wright’s videotaped ravings “expressed a profoundly distorted view of this country – a view that sees white racism as endemic, and that elevates what is wrong with America above all that we know is right with America.” Well, of course they did. Seeing racism as endemic and America as unredeemably corrupt is central to the Rev. Wright’s black liberation theology; indeed, it would be a passable definition of it.

      In prior interviews, Obama implied that he had never heard the Rev. Wright say anything untoward, but in the speech he admitted he heard “remarks that could be considered controversial.” On CNN, he said those remarks had to do with things like “infidelity and family life,” as if the Rev. Wright never aired his poisonous worldview except in a couple of videotaped sermons acquired by ABC News. This is dubious, which is probably why Obama’s campaign is resisting media requests for dates when he attended services.

      Obama made two arguments for why he couldn’t reject the Rev. Wright. One was that the Rev. Wright lived through the era of segregation. So did many others. Surely, there are plenty of black pastors in the country who have suffered more than Wright without letting a left-wing racialist ideology taint their Christian message of love and mercy, let alone telling paranoid lies from the pulpit.

      The other was he “can no more disown him than I can disown the black community.” This was a poetic simulacrum of profundity. Does that mean Obama can reject no black man or woman because it would constitute rejecting the black community? Did the Hillary Clinton campaign reject the Italian-American community when it rejected Geraldine Ferraro?

      In the end, Obama made the case for the respectability of a man who is a hater – and did it, amazingly enough, in a speech devoted to ending divisiveness. At one moment, Obama said we needed a searching national dialogue about race; at another, he suggested we needed to get beyond all that and unite around a clichéd left-wing agenda of anti-corporatism. But whatever Obama is advocating at a given moment, his solution is always himself in his glorious personhood, the salve to the country’s ills.

      For now, Obama’s speech worked. But questions about his judgment and candor will linger.

      http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/03/obamas_speech_a_glorious_failu.html

      Question: If this had been released before Iowa, would Obama ever have had a chnce?

      posted in General Discussion
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    • RE: Presidential Election (as a current event- watch the tone or it's gone)

      @ncscswitch:

      I am increasing my forecast…

      Clinton by 15% in Pennsylvania…

      North Carolina is in play (and was 10% in Obama’s column 2 weeks ago…)

      Americans are SICK of racial BS.  And Obama’s pastor… the man who has guided Obama’s spiritual development for 20 years, is espousing religion supported racism.  That won;t work any better for Obama than it did for David Duke in Louisiana in the early 1990’s when he ran for Governor there.

      Yeah, this hasnt come close to playing itself out. America created HIV? What the hell is that? Maybe I could buy into black anger for some of Wrights comments, but others cant be excused, at all.

      Heres the thing though: with Florida and Michigan out, Hillary now has very little chance of winning the popular vote or pledged delegates. But Barac has been imploding for two weeks now. If Barac continues to flounder, the Supers can either overturn the popular vote, or go with a weak candidate who’ll be destoryed in the General.

      The democrats, as usual, are aboiut to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Itd be comical if I didn’t think McCain would take us to war against Iran.

      posted in General Discussion
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    • RE: Presidential Election (as a current event- watch the tone or it's gone)

      @Cmdr:

      @Smacktard:

      Latest poll has Obama up by 5 over Mccain and Clinton up by 2
      http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/national.html

      These hypothetical matchiup polls are always in flux, esp. when one party has a candidate and the other doesnt.

      You’re smoking stuff.

      Poll from TODAY on your favorite site (Realclearpolitics) has McCain over Obama by 3 points and yesterday by 5 points.

      No it doesnt. Its a fox poll that has McCain up by 1. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/latestpolls/index.html

      See where it says “Spread”? Clinton +3, McCain +1.

      http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/032008_release_web.pdf

      The Fiscal Responsibility Act passed the House Jan 26th, 1995
      The Taking Back our Streets Act passed Feb 14, 1995
      The National Security Restoration Act passed Feb 16, 1995.

      Thank you for taking the bait!  I knew if I just slightly messed up dates enough, you’d EVENTUALLY STEP RIGHT INTO IT!  You ADMIT that the crashes in the DOW and the Housing Market and the insane gas prices are 100% Congress’s fault!

      huh? What on Earth would Congress have to do with gas prices?

      Got you HOOK, LINE and SINKER!  You’ve been claiming it wasn’t Congress’s fault, it was the Republicans fault

      I did? I thought I blamed the FED for creating too much liquidity, and the banks for bad loans.

      but then, you had to do your own research proving beyond a doubt that it WAS the Democrat’s fault!  They passed the legislation and thus it was THEIR FAULT!

      What on Earth are you talking about? The Contract With America legislation from the 90’s? The meaningless minimum wage hike?

      As for Foster and the absentees, that’s your own fault.

      Its  my own fault you can’t verify your information?

      If you cannot figure out what newspapers are printed in the region, and thus only go to national sites that have no interest in a very short term election, then I pitty your lack of ingenuity.

      I know what newspapers are printed in that region. its the 14th congressional district. http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/beaconnews/index.html
      http://www.kcchronicle.com/

      Happy hunting!

      Especially after I posted the newspaper names and issues and volume numbers a few times in a few different threads.

      Uh huh.

      Sorry, but corn country does not usually invest in Internet printing.

      corn country? the 14th district is right next to CHICAGO. http://www.illinoisatlas.com/illinois/political/pdf/il_cd2002.pdf

      Your story (if it exists at all), would be in the Chicao Sun Times.

      Either way, Oberweise AND Foster both agree that Foster won in a miracle of special election magic and that his chances in November - short of a democrat miracle - are barely 1 in 4.

      Do you ever have a source for any of this?

      Current polls (from WEDNESDAY in the local paper (Mid-Week Report)) show that 79% of the registered voters (from the total population via telephone polling) show that Oberweise is the preferred candidate in November.

      Riiiiight.

      In fact, the turn out for the special election barely broke 30% of registered voters in the district.  Probably because a lot of people didn’t know where to vote when their voting place was closed.

      Turnout was 22%
      http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=151059

      Look, I KNOW you are praying that the Democrats get a stronger majority in the house and senate and get the White House.  But the fact is, if the elections were held today, McCain would beat BOTH Hillary and Barrack by a pretty sound margin and that the Republicans would regain control of the House and Senate with slim majorities in each.

      Its kind of weird you think you know my prayers.

      Sorry that troubles you, but facts are facts.  The PEOPLE know that the 110th Congress has been a royal screw up.  90%+ of the people are unhappy with the PERSONS in Congress and 80%+ are unhappy with the INSTITUTION of Congress compared to 60% approval ratings of Bush as a PERSON and 40% approval ratings of Bush as a President.

      more numbers with nothing to back them up.

      If you really believed what you say you would take a 5-1 bet on someone you think needs a “miracle” to win. Hell, I’ll even give you 3-1. But you won’t take it, will you?

      posted in General Discussion
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    • RE: Presidential Election (as a current event- watch the tone or it's gone)

      @Cmdr:

      The only poll showing Obama leading McCain is CNN.

      Except for CBS, and USA Today, which both have Obama winning? Of the top 4 most recent polls, Obama is winning three of them. Hillary, all 4. Did you even go to the site?
      http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/national.html

      Remember, the ONLY things he had going for him was that he wasn’t like Hillary and established as a career politician and that he spoke of hope and change for America.

      You could say the same things about Edwards. Where is he now? Obama has a few more advantages than that.

      Top it off with other statements recently about how he isn’t too disappointed with being back in second place because he never thought the black candidate would beat Hillary

      Um no. He hasnt said this.

      Which, honestly, I think is a GOOD thing.  McCain, as liberal as he is, at least does not attend churches that are lead by the African-American equivalent of the leader of the KKK.

      McCain has his own Catholic-bashing evangelical supporter to deal with.

      I also think it is a GOOD thing because McCain’s flat out fired people for daring to make negative statements about Obama or his policies and has sworn to not say anything negative about him in the General Election should he get the Democrat Nomination.

      Good for McCain.

      Why do you think Republicans are working so hard to get Hillary Nominated!?!

      Florida is controlled by Republicans. If this were true, why didnt they approve a do-over? Without do-overs in Michigan and Florida, Hillary’s chances are slim to none.

      The longer she stays in this, the more of this type of information will get out (from Hillary’s camp in attempts to win.)  The more that gets out, the better the Republicans look for Congress and Senate in November.

      Karl Rove has a different take on that. It may be that being out of the news cycle hurts McCain. His only press lately coverage lately was his recent gaffes in Iraq and Israel.

      Conservatives that will repeal the regressive taxes levied on the American people by the 110th Congress.

      What taxes? The Dems couldn’t even get a smoking tax passed to pay for SCHIP.

      posted in General Discussion
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    • RE: Presidential Election (as a current event- watch the tone or it's gone)

      @balungaloaf:

      dude the cbs one today has McCain winning over both.  at thats the one CNN used.

      i’ll bet you that if i flip to any other channels, they’ll have him winning also.

      51%-41%  and 49%-42% respectively.  against both.

      http://www.rasmussenreports.com/

      Balung, thats ONE polling organization. Realcelearpolitics samples all the latest polling. They even have the Rasmussen one youre talking about (7th poll down) http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/national.html

      and realclearpolitics isnt lefty is it?  nooooo……  you gotta use something better.  this is the only poll i’ve seen today that says McCain is still down.  dont dilute yourself.

      http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/national.html

      Balung, do you see how Fox has the top poll now? That would be kind of strange for a lefty organization. McCain leads Obama by 1 and Clinton leads McCain by 3. Also, if you look at the linked opinion pieces for today, you see:
      an article from The Economist
      article from Fox News
      article from Forbes
      Article from Wall Street Journal
      http://www.realclearpolitics.com/

      The WSJ one, as usual, is very interestring.

      posted in General Discussion
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    • RE: Presidential Election (as a current event- watch the tone or it's gone)

      Latest poll has Obama up by 5 over Mccain and Clinton up by 2
      http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/national.html

      These hypothetical matchiup polls are always in flux, esp. when one party has a candidate and the other doesnt.

      posted in General Discussion
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    • RE: Presidential Election (as a current event- watch the tone or it's gone)

      @Cmdr:

      http://www.pollingreport.com/wh08gen.htm

      McCain: 47%
      Obama: 43%

      vs

      McCain: 48%
      Clinton: 45%

      One day earlier:

      McCain: 46%
      Obama: 44%

      vs

      McCain: 46%
      Clinton: 46%

      Looks like Hillary has a much better shot at beating George III (aka John McCain) then Barrack.

      Except that poll is out of date. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/national.html
      The latest polling has McCain losing to Obama and Hillary. The two polls youve cited (Gallup, Zogby) come BEFORE Cnns latest poll.

      And how does Hillary’s 1-2 point advantage turn into “a much better shot”?

      Since he’ll only have a few short months to accomplish anything, it would take a miracle for him to retain his seat.

      I’ll take it at 5-1 odds (which I beleive are less than “miraculous”). So you give me $50 if Foster wins and I give you $10 if he loses. Since you believe it “would take a miracle”, I’m sure you would be happy with those odds. Do we have a bet?

      posted in General Discussion
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    • RE: Presidential Election (as a current event- watch the tone or it's gone)

      Anyway, I never said there was FRAUD.  I said that most of the polling places were CLOSED on the day of the special election and that the people were ill informed as to where the alternate polling places were.  That’s why Foster won.  It’s got nothing to do with fraud.  Just like his victory has nothing to do with all the absentee ballots that have come in since dropping his lead from 5k to a hundred plus change.

      Source for this story? A Google of “absentee AND foster” doesnt turn up anything. The only thing verifiable so far is the AP story where he won by 6% with 5000+ votes.

      As for when Congress’s term starts and when Congress’s legislation begins taking effect, you obviously don’t know how it works.

      So let me spell it out for you.

      1)  Congressmen are elected in November.  I hope you are with me so far, we havn’t even gotten to the tricky part yet!

      I’m glad you see this now. Eariler, you stated that Foster had to give up his seat in Novmeber: @Cmdr:

      However, he does not get to keep that seat.  He only gets to have it for a few months and then loses it in November.

      2)  Congressmen who are elected in November, take office in January.  (see, tricky huh?)

      This was very tricky for you (see the Foster comment).

      3)  In February/March they begin sitting down to write legislation.  Why?  Well, they need to get new carpet, drapes, move into their Washington DC Mansions, get settled, learn where the bathrooms are, etc.  Takes time.

      4)  In April/May their legislation starts getting voted (and presumably passed).  Gotta get all your blue blood democrats back off the golf courses, hun.  Takes time!  Things don’t just get voted on the same day you write it!

      Funny, because the minimum wage hike was passed by the House in Jan and the Senate in Feb. 2007 http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/110/house/1/votes/18/

      The Fiscal Responsibility Act passed the House Jan 26th, 1995
      The Taking Back our Streets Act passed Feb 14, 1995
      The National Security Restoration Act passed Feb 16, 1995.

      5)  June/July your legislation that is passed begins to be enforced.

      Except when its passed in Jan or Feb.  :roll:

      Funny, June/July is also about the same time as the DOW Jones Crash

      No it’s not. Oct. was the start of the Bear market. From June-July, the market was over 13,000. http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/quickchart/quickchart.asp?symb=DJIA&sid=1643

      I dont see what the difficulty is here. This is the 3rd time ive posted this. The DOW timeline is very easy to read.

      the Housing Market Crash and all the other Financial woes we are experiencing.

      The Housing bubble began in 2001. Home prices started falling in 2006, and in Aug. 2007 foreclosures began to soar. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_housing_bubble
      Both your timing and cause-and-effect are off. What, exactly, did you want Congress to do about the sub-prime lending that went on for 4 years that led to the crisis? If anything, the Fed is to blame for creating too much liquidity in the market with interest rate manipulation, and the banks are to blame for making bad loans.

      Gee, interesting how that correlates, isn’t it?

      Not really, consdiering your facts are all over the place.

      I can’t imagine WHY I think the 110th Congress maybe had a lot to do with the crashes in the markets.

      I can’t either. Maybe you’ll change your mind now?

      Anyway, 19% approve of THE JOB CONGRESS IS DOING.  90%+ DISAPPROVE OF CONGRESS.  Congress does NOT mean the JOB Congressmen are doing.

      I hope you have a poll handy for your 90% disapproval rating because I’m going to call bullshit here. Congress’s (dis)appproval is always measured in how people view the job Congress is doing. If you have a poll, I’ll happily retract what I just said.

      Funny too, that’s about 50% as good as President Bush’s JOB RATING and about 20% as good as President Bush’s PERSONAL rating.

      So you think the institution of Congress has a “personal rating”? Its a group of people, not A person. And Bush’s Job approval has been in the low 30’s for over a year now. http://pollingreport.com/BushJob.htm

      posted in General Discussion
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    • RE: Presidential Election (as a current event- watch the tone or it's gone)

      @Cmdr:

      Way to not read, Smacktard.

      I didn’t say Congresses APPROVAL RATE was 10%.  I said over 90% of American voters were disapproved of the 110th Congress.

      If 19% APPROVE of Congress, than how can “over 90%” disapprove? What, do you think they polled 109% of the people?  :roll:

      As for where I am getting my polling numbers, McCain vs Obama and Congressional Approval, etc, they come from Zogby.  Why you use biased sources like Real Clear Politics and other such places, I have no idea.

      Um, Realclearpolitics HAS the poll your’re talking about. Its just not the most current. The most current polling has both Clinton and Obama over McCain. And how exactly is it biased? They carry articles form the New YorkTimes, Wall Street Journal, and every other national outlet. You cant just assert something and assume what you say is true.

      As for the 14th District Race in Illinois, you are absolutely correct EXCEPT after mail in votes are counted.  Mail in votes were decided NOT to be counted for the special election because it would take over a month to make sure they were all counted.  However, reports have it that AFTER they were counted (and it didn’t take a month, but I’m sure there’s some still lost in the postal system, that’s probably what they were worried about) his lead has severely dwindled.

      “Reports have it”? you have a source for this? I did a Google for “Oberweis disputes” and got nothing. If he thought there was fraud, he’d be disputing the results and screaming bloody murder.

      Top that off with your inability to counter the other points I raised, and you can see why I say it is a BAD TEMPLATE to use to determine what will happen in November.

      I never said it was a template at all. My point was that Foster wasnt expected to win AT ALL. Its certainly not good news for the Republicans that Oberweis lost.

      As for “who’s saying that Oberweise will trump Foster” in November, try EVERYONE WHO LIVES IN THE DISTRICT.  I mean you cannot find a single report in any paper or periodical in the area that says Foster even has a breath’s chance of success in November.

      Then I’m sure it will be easy to link some of those reports. Or does the internet not function where you live?

      DOW Jones before 110th Congress Passed most of their legislation:

      14,000

      So that’s when Congress’s term starts? When they pass “most of their legislation”? How non-arbitrary  :roll:

      DOW Jones AFTER 110th Congress began passing most legislation:

      10,000

      The DOW hasn’t been at 10,000 since 2005. http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/quickchart/quickchart.asp?symb=DJIA&sid=1643&o_symb=DJIA&freq=2&time=12

      The facts are the facts, darlin.  I know they don’t fit into your perspective of the world, but that does not mean you can discount them.

      My “perspective of the world” consists of facts that are baked up by sources. Your M.O. seems to be: assert something and hope its true.

      Before they started passing legislation on the economy, the DOW was going up every quarter.  After, it dropped every quarter.  And you wonder why almost everyone in this country dislikes Congress and over 80% of us want to vote them the hell back out?

      As I showed before, Congress was passing legislation in Feb. And as I also showed, Republican congressmen are more disliked than there Democrta counterparts.

      No, it’s an irrational hatred of Bush.  He could release information that he had personally found the cure to cancer and some would be lambasting him for not finding it 8 years ago.  It does not matter what he does or does not do, there is a large portion (mostly on the left) who hate him because he unseated the Democrats and continues to run rings around them in the political arena.

      No, its because he abandonded the core principles of the Republican party.

      Why?  Almost all the super delegates are white.  If all the whites are going Clinton, then she’ll have more then the 2032 or whatever, she needs to win.

      The superdelegates are not going to go against Obama if he wins the popular vote and the most delegates. Theyre not gonna repeat 1968. You want to put some money on your racial argument?

      posted in General Discussion
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    • RE: Presidential Election (as a current event- watch the tone or it's gone)

      @Cmdr:

      Obama’s lead over McCain has washed away, according to Zogby.  Looks like McCain could beat both Hillary and Barrack handily if the election were held tomorrow now.

      The latest polling (cnn & Gallup) has Obama up by one against McCain. Those same polls also have Clinton up by 2 and 5 against McCain.

      http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/national.html

      1)  Foster only one with a few hundred votes in the district.
      2)  The percentage win falls within the margin of error for counting the votes
      3)  Many of the traditional polling places were closed and many people who supported Oberweise were not informed where the alternative polling place was. (Foster made sure to send mailers to registered Democrats 2 weeks before, 1 week before and 2 days before telling them where their polling place was.  Oberweise dropped the ball and did not do that.)

      Where are you getting this? Foster won by by 6% and over 5000 votes.

      http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/elections/2008/by_county/IL_Page_0308.html?SITE=ILCHTELN&SECTION=POLITICS

      Many analysts are saying that retribution in November will give Oberweise a very, VERY significant victory over Foster.

      Whos saying that?

      So, with that said, it’s a poor template to use for November in determining which party will control Congress.  However, latest reports show that, since this time many more Democrats are up for re-election, and because 90% of the American population dis-approve of Congress

      Not true. Congress’s aprroval rate is 19%, NOT 10%. http://pollingreport.com/CongJob.htm

      Also, people are even more disappointed with Republican Congressmen than Democrats:
      http://pollingreport.com/cong_dem.htm   
      http://pollingreport.com/cong_rep.htm

      Republicans get 22% on Excellent/pretty good.
      Democrats get 26%
      I would love nothing more than to see a divided govt. (yay gridlock), but it aint gonna happen in Congress.

      (can’t imagine why, after all, the DOW has fallen nearly 33% since they took over power)

      Not true, as proven before. The Dow grew several thousand points from Jan 2007 (swearing in of Congress) to the beginning of the Bear market (Oct 2007). This is like blaming Bush for the Dow growing 2% a year since he took office. A ridicuous argument.

      There’s still an irrational hatred of George Bush and Republicans because of him.

      Its very rational, as Ron Paul would say. Balooning defeicits, expansion of govt., nation-building, invasion of privacy, Terry Schiavo. These are all things Bush campaigned AGAINST. I miss my old GOP. Now it looks a lot like a bunch of Neo-con Democrats.

      However, as the Democrat debates keep going, and more and more mud is thrown from Obama on Hillary and Hillary on Obama - added to racist rantings of Obama supporters, republicans will benefit.

      This is true.

      posted in General Discussion
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    • RE: FOR ADULTS ONLY

      @dezrtfish:

      Smack - No dodge, hypothetical questions are for lack of a beter word smacktarded.

      Youre in the military (and play A&A), and you think “hypothetical questions” are retarded? Hypothetical questions like, “If I do this, and the enemy does that…”?

      posted in General Discussion
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    • RE: FOR ADULTS ONLY

      @dezrtfish:

      Smack - No dodge, hypothetical questions are for lack of a beter word smacktarded.  What if my granny’s house and Barack Obama’s house were on fire?  If I send the truck to Grannies house am I a biggot?  what if it was Obama and McCain?

      anything besides a toss of a coin demands a reason. If you send it to grandmas house, then your reason might be one of family loyalty.

      What would be the reason for sending it to the orphanage instead of the fertility clinic? That we value children more than fertlized eggs? Of course we do. What you have to argue (and I think its impossible to do without religion) is that we have no reason to prefer saving the lives of children over fertlized eggs. That our intution that its worse to let children die is somehow wrong.

      Well a zygote will have money at some point unless some dumbass kills it.  smiley

      Not necessarily. Mother nature’s done away with more zygotes than humans ever will. But the key phrase is “will have”. You would argue that a zygote is a potential person. Well, so it is. Go buy a lottery ticket. Now you’re a potential millionaire! I’m sure youll have no  trouble convincing a bank to give you a $500,000 loan. After all, you’re a potential millionaire, and in the end is that any different than being an actual millionaire?  :wink:

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    • RE: FOR ADULTS ONLY

      I’d send the fire truck to the one that had the best chance of saving.  Or the one that started first or the one that was closest… :roll:

      Why the dodge? you must know what my repsonse will be: both fires started at the same time, are equidistant from the fire house, and have an equal chance of being put out. I know you would save the orphanage first, just as any sane person would. This says a lot about how we feel about actual people vs potential people.

      Your comparison of the millionaire thing is off base.  If I thought you becoming a millionaire would inconvenience me would it be right for me to steal all your monney and sabotage your buisness?

      No, because I’m a person. your proving my point here. A zygote isn’t the kind of thing that can ever have money or a business, is it?

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    • RE: FOR ADULTS ONLY

      @dezrtfish:

      almost missed this one.

      @Smacktard:

      @dezrtfish:

      I guarantee I didn’t oppose the old picture I thought it was rather pleasant and looked forward to seeing it when I logged in.  If Jen puts the bathing suit pic back up I’ll put a pic of me in my bathing suit up… wait that may not necessarily be motivation…

      I am probably the only conservative atheist in the room 
      I think Prostitution is great although I’ve never indulged.
      I like Guns and own 15 of them.
      I like to kill defenseless animals that are trying to hide from me at long distance and then eat them.
      I think abortion is murder.

      Wow, I feel strangely liberated…

      I’ve never met a prolife atheist. Why do you think killing a twoday old fetilized egg is just as morally wrong as killing a 30 yr old mother of 3? A fertilized egg has none of the qualities that we assicoate with “personhood” (consciousness, memory, rationality, empathy, etc.), so why is terminating it as wrong as killing an adult that DOES have those qualities we identify with personhood?

      Let me start off by saying that I am not going to debate or argue this position. It’s what I believe and amazingly enough, I don’t need to use religion as a cop out to explain my morality.

      btw, if that’s the definition of a human life, we need to start clearing out all the assylums.  Those people obviously aren’t human.

      Even people clinically insane have consciousness, rationality (within their own strange belief system (i.e., the tin-foil hat will stop the govt from spying on me)), memory, and, in most cases empathy (though it may be weirdly misplaced).

      A fertlized egg doesnt have ANY qualty we normally associate with “person”. Try it- think of a person, any person. I bet you weren’t thinking of a fetus or blastocyt  :wink: If you only had one fire-truck and two fires (one at a fertility clinic the other at  an orphanage), where would you send the fire truck?

      The kindest thing you could say about it is that it will eventually become a person. But then I plan on eventually becoming a millionaire. What are the chances of me walkiing out of a bank with a $500,000 loan because I may someday become a millionaire?

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    • RE: FOR ADULTS ONLY

      @dezrtfish:

      I guarantee I didn’t oppose the old picture I thought it was rather pleasant and looked forward to seeing it when I logged in.  If Jen puts the bathing suit pic back up I’ll put a pic of me in my bathing suit up… wait that may not necessarily be motivation…

      I am probably the only conservative atheist in the room 
      I think Prostitution is great although I’ve never indulged.
      I like Guns and own 15 of them.
      I like to kill defenseless animals that are trying to hide from me at long distance and then eat them.
      I think abortion is murder.

      Wow, I feel strangely liberated…

      I’ve never met a prolife atheist. Why do you think killing a twoday old fetilized egg is just as morally wrong as killing a 30 yr old mother of 3? A fertilized egg has none of the qualities that we assicoate with “personhood” (consciousness, memory, rationality, empathy, etc.), so why is terminating it as wrong as killing an adult that DOES have those qualities we identify with personhood?

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    • RE: Presidential Election (as a current event- watch the tone or it's gone)

      Don’t blame me, I voted for Kodos.

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    • What happened?

      My healthcare thread up and vanished.

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    • RE: I has snow!

      @Jermofoot:

      Lousy Smarch weather.

      "Do not touch

      Willie"

      Good advice!

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    • RE: Presidential Election (as a current event- watch the tone or it's gone)

      @Cmdr:

      Let him whose name says it all be corrected once again:

      Once a congressman is voted out of office he loses all his influence, in essence he is already deposed it is just a matter of formality.

      That’s fine (called “lameduck”) but not really what you said. You said: “He only gets to have it for a few months and then loses it in November.”

      Thats different then being a lameduck. A lameduck congressman still occupies the office and gets to vote. He does not “lose it in Novemeber”. He stays until the next Congress is sworn in (January).

      And the only way Bill Foster can become a lame duck (which your assuming he will be) is if he loses in Nov. What makes you think hes going to lose to the guy he just beat? If your that sure about it, I have a PayPal account…

      Bill was basically useless after 11/2000 when George was elected.  Had Gore been elected, he would still have had all the influence he had before, instead of the bottom dregs of the barrel.

      It didn’t stop Bill from pardoning all sorts of scumbags.

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    • RE: Presidential Election (as a current event- watch the tone or it's gone)

      @Cmdr:

      That’s because the lies were circulated (in clear and direct violation of Campaign Finance Reform Act) about Oberweise.

      However, he does not get to keep that seat.  He only gets to have it for a few months and then loses it in November.

      Again, showing your niavette of how things are done and when.

      If youre going to call someone naive, you should have your facts straight: Bill Foster gets Haster’s seat until JANUARY. The ELECTION is in Nov.

      http://www.suntimes.com/news/elections/833484,election030908.article

      The victory in the 14th Congressional District means Foster will serve out the remainder of Hastert’s term, which ends next January.

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