I have tried to look for some games of Europe 40 2nd Edition in the play by forum section, for assessing the most used BID amount, I am not able to found any.
A 6 IPCs BID for Allies, in OOB, is enough for having a better balanced game? Do I get it correctly? But for the 2nd Edition. It seems that Allies have the edge with the updated rules.
EDIT: post updated for clarification.
“Why are you moving those ACs next to my naval base?”
“ACs? Which ACs? They are luxurious liners with tourists on board”
“Mmm… and why there are three of them?”
“Never heard what happened to Titanic? We do not allow our liners going around alone…”
:-D
Just joking and not sure my joke is understandable (it id difficult for me to make a joke in English)!
My point is: in A&A it is impossible to move “secretly” units in order to place them for a surprise strike. Only way of modelling something like a surprise strike is allowing combat move to be made as the powers were still at peace and then… in the combat phase declaring the state of war starting to roll dice. Even so I believe it is really difficult to obtain a surprise.
Mmm… making war movement means you are at war… using Pacific 40 rules Yamamoto could have not done Pearl Harbour attack. This rules prevents surprise attack.
I am with you Sergente!
TripleA 1.1.1 unstable has been released, you can get it here: http://sourceforge.net/projects/triplea/files/
You may found the description here: http://triplea.sourceforge.net/mywiki/Forum#nabble-td4086205
You may download the maps from here: http://sites.google.com/site/tripleaerniebommel/home/mods/maps-for-triplea-1-1-1-0
Mmm really you can not abandon Island hopping, you have spent resources but you are also obtaining results. And if you are at turn 6 and Russia is still alive you may still turn the table.
I suppose that a good option is to focus on East Indies then, try to build a factory there and engage the Japanese forces, avoiding Japanese focusing on Russia.
The problem is that UK have to:
All this objectives may be out of reach for the british alone, so I would suggest focusing on the first two and try to stay alive with Russia, which may be the real problem in this scenario.
But, sincerely, I think that Pacific strategy with USA, though may bring to good results, is a long time strategy, maybe too long.
The problem of the Pacific Strategy is that USA is not helping directly Russia, because reduce Japanese rush to Moscow but Red Army is forced to face a stronger Germany, which may a have a more easy life against UK alone.
I prefer to go all in Atlantic with USA in the first turn, with the objective of winning the Battle of Atlantic, liberate Africa and starting to create problem in Europe.
I have no problem with the KGF and JTDM. It is only the high level objective of the game.
The important, and funny, things to do wth A&A are the logistic, the planning and the conduction of the combats.
Also Chess have only a way to win, checkmate the oppenent King, but there are numerous way for obtaining such objective!
Independently from being Allies or Axis the economic avantage may be leveraged to acheive victory, so, imho, operations in A&A must be planned in term of strategy but also economic factor should be considered.
The sudden broke out you mention maybe is the result of a constant Axis build up, possibile thanks to economic gaining.
In the specific situation, as alredy pointed out in preceding intervention the Allied objectives could be:
Both objective require dealing with Germans fleet that may interfere in the operations. This is the problem, because dealing with such fleets requires ships and aircrafts that are not directly useful on the ground in Africa and in Russia. so while USA and UK fight to gain control ofthe seas Germany and Japan may squeeze Russia and take Moscow.
The USA fleet island hopping, in this context, could be a wasting of resources.
I have played too few games and I agree with the fact that, at moment, I am still trying which strategies use with the Allies. I the games played, Axis won the majority of the games and the few games Allies won had seen some ugly rolling for Axis. Right now I am not using a bid, and I will start to consider a bid only when a soundly allied strategy will be found.
To me, it seems that the miniatures in AA42 have a better finishing. In my AA50 the miniatures are not so good. Russian an Japanese fighters are bend, ships of alla navies have molding problems. Maybe refreshed is intended in the sense they have re-modeled the “original” of each miniature.
Buy it but be preapred to overcome the shortages. I have picked from Revised the IPCs and the chips, seldom differents from the AA42 theuy are useful to play without problems.
Thanks Krieg! As always you are “The Answer”!
It is important, because in my experience there are a lot of players in my country that are still struggling trying to found a box of Anniversary Edition…
It could be interesting to know if they plan to make a single print of the game (like Anniversary) or not.
Any information on that?
AAP50 presented? So it is quite ready to be released! Interesting…
A&A42 will be sold on the market, if it will be unsuccessful then it will be a bad move. No one is forced to buy it no one is forced to like it. At same time every one may express his/hers opinion about the game. The only thing required is the respect for the work other people did.
Also Anniversary has been criticized in several ways. The Japanese have a too much high income after a couple of turns. Allies can not win. No Axis can not win. China rule are stupid. Sub are useless. Supersub are BS. etc.
It seems that all the copies made has been sold in a small amount of time. If it will be reprinted it will be sold in great quantity, even if it cost about 100$.
Now, numbers of copies sold is not an absolute index of quality in a game nor is an index for us strategy-wargames fans. In fact, for me, Settlers of Cataan or Puerto Rico are for sure less interesting of A&A. So, from a business point of view AH and Wizards have an objective: selling the boxes. They try to obtain this goal with their strategy. They are not a brotherhood for the diffusion of A&A or other similar initiative. They are a business company on the market.
According to me they may sold more boxes with an alternative and at least decent marketing and advertising campaign but these are theirs problem.
What care for us is: A&A42 is revised with SIMPLIFIED and CORE Anniversary rules, with the same map with a new graphics, and new (and useless) russian ships miniatures, without money (I have several tons of IPC money at home if I need I can use them) no paper and no pencil (but also anniversary come without table and chairs and they are NEEDED to play the game).
Ok, it is accetable for me. Not the A&A of my dreams but accetable. Moreover the real requirement about boardgame is: having friends to play with.
My Revised is usured and I am already playing it with Anniversary rules and I never use tech (even in Anniversary). At same way in the past I played Europe and Pacific with LHTR rules. In fact, spending half an hour before a game for checking and rememebrign to alla players the defense of the tanks, when sub may submerge, etc., is a waste of time. Using the same ruleset avoid this waste of time.
Having a family of games requires having same basic rules to be applied to different scenarios. So if A&A42 had introduced a NEW SET or rules different from Anniversary I had considered more problematic than having the same ruleset. So this is ok for my and my playgroup.
The map and the setup are the same, this is a missed occasion for sure (another, also in Anniversary there are a lot of missed occasion). They could have “adjusted” the set up adding, for example, a sort of bid to the Revised setup, moving some of the units around, and could have made some modification to the map. They have not done, an it is a pity.
Finally, I will buy A&A42 for replacing my usured Revised. I am not going to go in ecstasy for this game but it will see a lot of play in my playgroup, and this is an important thing.
I agree that maybe they should have reprinted Anniversary, leaving to us the task of adapting our Revised to Anniversary rules an units. They have the idea that they could make money making such adaptation officially.
CT means DD.
Thi means that (considering new cost of units equals to the Anniversary cost): UK has 1 less BB(20 IPC) and 1 less DD (8 IPC) while has 2 CA(24 IPC), receiving then 4 less IPC in ships. USA has a CA(12) instead of a DD(8) gaining four IPC and Japana has a CA (12) instead of a DD, gainig also 4 IPC.
So IPC-wise the Allies have 4 less IPC in the setup, maybe a way to balance the game without requiring bid?
As Subotai I registered on the Gleemax website and the registration was free at time. Now you have to pay 9.00$ (one time only) to play at GTO.
I have played some games and lately I go there to ses what they have now.
You may play Revised, with OOB rules (no LHTR), they introduced some sort of bid (it is possible to select between different fixed amounts).
The game is more involved with graphics (but they need at least some zoom feature) than with playability.
Performing amphibous operation, for example, is a nightmare, you have to select every single unit to embark in each transport…
GTO should contact TripleA community and paying for developing a TripleA version for their website… :)
I received an official response from Wizards of the Coast to my email (organized as Veqryn suggested).
They said:
Thank you for contacting us with your concern.
Wizards of the Coast has licensed Axis & Allies and other Avalon Hill games to GameTableOnline.com for online play. We encourage Avalon Hill fans to visit Game Table Online to continue their online play experience.
So, I suppose there is not any planning of doing computer games or other. The reason for the legal action agaisnt TripleA is that GTO has the license for online play.
:-(
They can shove their new game up their behind.
…in which case going with a smaller mapboard than AA50 really seems like a good decision.
Definitely. (Karma +1 to both of you! :))
The problem is the number of copies… they have to use only 1 or all the copies made? :-D
I have made only a slight modification, but from mine group of friend (users of our italian forum) we are sending quite the same email.
I am trying to convince the most people is possible.