Posts made by Pvt.Patterson

Footsey??

Well I think that If you sink Most of teh UK navy in G1. CA and DD, DD and BB and tran. The I-ties should take gibralter I1 and build a transport and G1 should be reinforcing Lybia with andother tank and Inf.

Why attack when you are weak and your opponet cant reinforece. You can attack G2 with 2 tanks 3 inf and a bomber and 2 fighters form sinking brit fleet and in I2 you can attack with 2 tanks 4 inf a CA’s amd BB and a fighter. Perpare you forces first. then attack. Your loss will be less the more you attack with because there is a more likey chance that there will be a wipe out in the first or second dice roll  not the third or fourth.

I would not let a Japanesse fleet with in 3 seazones of america without stacking infaint on West US and tanks in East US. If West US falls even a turn it takes any steam out of the allied boillers. A japanesse sinking of the US CV is possible in J1 aling wiht the invation of Wake, Midway and the Hawwain islands but that commits all you forces away form India, China and the cash rich south pacific. You would be killing your money suppy for a one round pound and run from America because without a fincal backing Japan cant take on the US.

Please… back to the real suff here. Its all about the game!!! :-D
Japan is huge…
Russia has it’s hand full,
The US cant do to much for the first 2 rounds,
The UK losses its fleet in G1
The I-ties can go bannana’s if left alone,
and the china men really are just cannon fodder for J1.

Thats it.

Now please dont go on and on unless you two are flirting!!!
:-o :-o :-D :-o :-D :-o :-P :-o :-) :roll:
Now lets get back to how to hurt a moster.

Yah, a good layered desfense of moscow is needed. Suround it in infantry and do send a Inf or two towards japan each turn after R2 It can be used as ether cannon foder agaist japan or a piggy bank of troop interest if germany gets close to nocking on your door.

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Peace!!!  Love!!!

@Zhukov44:

a strong Russian move to take and India IC can be a game winner for the Allies.  So for that reason I usually place on Fic first.

This is very true but a J3 India complex is vital.
You can get up to 7 units to india in J2 but six is more resonalbe along with 4-5 fighters. There will be some units left over and taking boots off the German front is just what the doctor ordered for germany! by trun 4 the I-ties should also be in good position in the med if the took Gid Egypt and Trans and anre running amuck in the south.
This IC in india is a must for the russian and if well reinforced the japansse can divert huge amounts or russian forces from germany.

Japan starts with atleast a 260+ army/ navy on the board…. its a moster. Were as the US after a good J1 should only have like 108+ IPC that can effect the Pacific.

3 CV    14=42                  1 CV  =14             
1 BB      20=20                  1  BB  =20
1 CA      12=12                  4 Fit  = 40
9 Fit      10= 90                3 DD  =24
1 DD      8=8                    2 tran =14 
4 Tran    7=28                  2 Bom =24

18 Inf    3=54                    6 Inf  =18
2  Art    4=8                      1 art  =4
1  Arm  5=5

= Monster  About 267          About  158
Pacific theather.

Yah, Japan is out of hand.
They can make up the IPC income gap with the US by J2.
And two transpots in J1 would help that alot because they could get their whole home force to china russia in J2
Have fun stoppin this whale Ahab!!!

Death or glory Hawaii with 2-3 inft 1 fighter, take out BB and DD/ tran and they cant retake it for a turns!takes US transports away from plus you could sink and fleet they sent out there in any of the first 2 or three turns. this could also bring about the loss odf midway and wake.

I would also think about building an IC in Manchuria in turn one to negate the loss of transports.

Not really cost effective at all but a way to make US put more boats in the Pacific.

I like the 3 tanks 4 infantry R1. It has served me well every time I use it. Then I normally cut tank production to two and buy art for the inf.
Also depending on what is left defending Ukraine I may make a R1 assault on it with 5 inf and 1 tank? maybe if they are really weak, 1-2 tanks 1-2 in 1 art. Only if they are weak 3-4 or less units.

Also I like to move the karila art to Arch with the Moscow art and 2-3 inft in Arch.

Then could it wait till I2

I1 attack on Gibraltar
I2 attack on Egypt with 2 transports and 2 tanks 4 infantry a fighter and its shore bombards.

? Does Gibraltar take away a British NO ?

This could also let the Germans take their tank out of the south and get up to 8 tanks on the Russian front by G2

G1 one from France G2 the one form Libya

I would do a mix of trasports and an IC but not first turn. One or two transports bought in J1 and an IC in J3 in India. Manchuria can use transports form the mailand and get by pretty well. 4 units a turn but in the south you really just cant supply that theater well without an IC and it would have to be India.

If the I-ties and Germans pull mostly out of Afrika to own Russia would this effect the war to much because UK only has a few units in Afrika. They would probably try to slow the Japanese advance to Persia.
If South Afrika had UK IC then that would be a bigger problem.

You really need 3-4 fighters and 3 bombers and its do able. With 7 tanks 3-4 Inf 1 art
R2 Russia buys 4 tanks and puts them in Causuas or 4 Inf in Caucus

Germany                            Russia
2-3 bombers                      1-5    tanks
3-4 fighters                        10- 13 inf 
7    armor                          1 -      art
3-4 Int
1    Art

2 * 4=8  or  3 * 4=12        5 * 3= 15  1 * 3= 3
10* 3=30 or 113= 33        10 2=20  14* 2= 22
2 * 2=4  ->        =4
2 * 1=1  or 3 * 1=3     
–--------------------  -------------------------
        43            52                    35            25

So round one  :-D Taking biggest possible loss rounded down.

43/6 = 7.1  52/6=8.6      35/6= 5.8          25/6= 4.16
30/6 = 5    39/6=6.5      19/6= 3.1          15/6= 2.5
21/6 = 3.5  30/6= 5        3/6  = .5            7/6= 1.16
18/6= 3      27/6= 4.5        gone                  gone

Left?

2-3 bombers
a few tanks
maybe a few fighters

Now Lets see Russia counter attack with a few units!
Let say Caucuas falls back to Russia in R2
I-ties attack
I2
2 tanks    =6
1 fighter  =3
5 inf        =6
1 art      =2
2 CA
1 BB

bombard
10/6 1.6 will die in bombard
17/6 = 5.66
yah… causaus falls I2

Japan reinforces with 2-3 fighters. German reinforce with fighters and 1 tank 2 if from Afrika.

Afrika would be pretty open but Russia would be in the bag by G4 or I4 or the waves of Japan from India and china

If you took Karil in G1 and nocom one tank and only attacked with 6 tanks in caucus i think it might work too.
Then the Russians would have to try to take back 2 cities with just Moscow.

The point of the Karila G1 and Caucuas G2 is to cripple Russia by R2, Its a bit of a gamble but it you get the UK BB/ tran they have no ability to land in B1 and by B2 you should have a large stack of tanks in Berlin plus 3 bombers and 2-4 fighters if you were lucky with the karil attack. Russia will not have produce more than 16 units by the end of R2 and if you hold the cuasuas in G2 or I2 they will only be able to produce 6 units in R3 which is really hard to mount an effective counter attack with in R4

With Russia in shambles by G3 they can start to look towards the UK US threat and leave Moscow for I-ties and Japan well leaving a small mop up force of whats left of your infantry and 6 or so tanks because the fighters and bombers can always fly back for the last blow…

The I-ties could throw 4 inft and at Moscow a turn to weaken it in I3, I4 but not in full attack pulling back once the inf are lost and replace them with ones made in causuas if it is held in R3 well building up an Afrika army

I would suggest in that in J5 and I5 a sapping of Moscow to weaken it for taking in Germany in G6 because the extra 6 IPC would come in handy for Germans war effort against UK US and if they don’t have to commit huge force but only administer the knock out punch most of their forces could be in the Atlantic and France and Afrika and not Russia.

If Germany and the I-Ties barrel down on Kairl and Caucuas there would be no time to send troops to china or north.

G1 2 bomers 1 if 1 art
G2 tanks! mabye fighter?
G3 Tanks!
G4 Navey… all of it save a few infanty.

I1 Transport Inf
T2 Tanks and few inf
T3 If and ships

G1 Take karelia with fighters and inf /art Cur bombard.
    Camp 3 tanks in East poland with 1-2 in
    Take baltic with inf and art. - you just have to take it.
    Take ukraine with 2 tanks 3 inf 1 art From Afrika
    Take BB/tran with subs /bomber
    If you want sink DD in chanel with Sub
    Noncom 2 tanks to karelia
G2  Attack Cacuas with 5 tanks 3 inf 1 art all fighter left 2-4 and 3 bombers.
      Archangel? if weak.
      Eastern ukraine if possible to.

I1  Move forward towards caucuas with everything you can. No Egypt yet.
I2  Attack Caucuas with 2 tanks 5 if 1 art 1 fighter 2 CA and 1 BB

J2  India
J3  Persia
J4  Causuas or the one behind it.

You will have 4 tanks in karelia Two made end turn G2, 2 non com 1Art if rusains did not take it back R1
Russia can have a max of 13 inf and 1 tank and 1 Art in Caucuas turn one but they loss the ablity to take back karelia If they head north with some or hold back in reinforcing Caucuas Take It if they have up to 12 Inf Or less Inf and a few tanks or art. Just see how it goes.

If this gamble works the Russians would only be able to produce a total of 16 units by turn R2 and if they went with offisive units in R1 they my have lesslike 13. This means that you dont have to swim through inf and oyu get a clear and decisive taking of the Caucuas in I2. Then the Ities and Japan can Start tag teaming Moscow and Germany can work on the growing UK US threat and take some of its boots back towards the coast leaving enought tanks abd boots to mop up moscow once the Japanesse and the I-Ties get done with it.

You also have 3 Bombers and 2-4 Fighters for german coast clearing in G3

Japan can step in with Fighters to Caucuas and a india and china thrust which could reach a weakend russia by 4 and 5 respectivly. or hold in J4 Kazakh and wait and attack moscow J5 with the left overs form India and China + a few fighters. Also a IC in India.

Russia needs everything on the german I-tie, well almost everything, front or they get rolled, its turn 4 before the japanesse can hit you with anything sizable mabye even 5 if the birts attack persia.

Its a coppy paste form another thread but it makes a point.

The point of that attack is to make it so that if you opponent wants to take karil back they will loose the causuas G2 and I2 and even if he reinforces caucuas he will stand a good chance at losing it for good in I2 or face an attack form the north on Moscow.
You would also have japan on the scene by J4 and J5

I think ive got it.
I get by with a little help form my friends!  :-D The I-ties. And a push by japan though china and India -> Persia

G1 2 bomers 1 if 1 art
G2 tanks! mabye fighter?
G3 Tanks!
G4 Navey… all of it save a few infanty.

I1 Transport Inf
T2 Tanks and few inf
T3 If and ships

G1 Take karelia with fighters and inf /art Cur bombard.
    Camp 3 tanks in East poland with 1-2 in
    Take baltic with inf and art. - you just have to take it.
    Take ukraine with 2 tanks 3 inf 1 art From Afrika
    Take BB/tran with subs /bomber
    If you want sink DD in chanel with Sub
    Noncom 2 tanks to karelia
G2  Attack Cacuas with 5 tanks 3 inf 1 art all fighter left 2-4 and 3 bombers.
      Archangel? if weak.
      Eastern ukraine if possible to.
G3  Afrika!

I1  Move forward towards caucuas with everything you can. No Egypt yet.
I2  Attack Caucuas with 2 tanks 5 if 1 art 1 fighter 2 CA and 1 BB
I3  Afrika !!!

J2  India
J3  Persia
      If possible Afrika!

You will have 4 tanks in karelia Two made end turn G2, 2 non com 1Art if rusains did not take it back R1
Russia can have a max of 13 inf and 1 tank and 1 Art in Caucuas turn one but they loss the ablity to take back karelia If they head north with some or hold back in reinforcing Caucuas Take It if they have up to 12 Inf Or less Inf and a few tanks or art. Just see how it goes.

If this gamble works the Russians would only be able to produce a total of 16 units by turn R2 and if they went with offisive units in R1 they my have lesslike 13. This means that you dont have to swim through inf and oyu get a clear and decisive taking of the Caucuas in I2. Then the Ities and Japan can Start tag teaming Moscow and Germany can work on the growing UK US threat and take some of its boots back towards the coast leaving enought tanks abd boots to mop up moscow once the Japanesse and the I-Ties get done with it.

You also have 3 Bombers and 2-4 Fighters for german coast clearing in G3

Japan can step in with Fighters to Caucuas and a india and china thrust which could reach a weakend russia by 4 and 5 respectivly. or hold in J4 Kazakh and wait and attack moscow J5 with the left overs form India and China + a few fighters. Also a IC in India. ?? Can you place IC’s in newly aquired territoies??

I have been wondering about this for a bit now. I have play a few times as Germany and once as Russia and I have never lost or taken Moscow. Thats true in all but two of the six games Ive played. Moscow is evil to take from a good Russian player with a rag tag force of a few tanks, Art and a butt ton of Inf before the UK and US have time to help them. I was thinking Mechanized Inf. Also a IC in Poland in G1 and 3 Inf + 1 tank and in G2 3 Art 4-6 tanks or 1 fighter, or More Inf?? Any help with this because i hate trading German tanks for Russian infantry.

If japan buys a transport and a fighter in J 1 it would easily have enough forces to take out a R1 three infantry attack on manchruia. 2-3 Inf from the newly acquired China real estate and 1-2 inf and 1-2 tank/ art form the homeland plus your new shiny fighter and anything else that flies and is not being deposed of in the southern pacific theater or the Indian ocean.

Should the I-Ties build 2 carriers for deffese and be supplied extra fighters form Japan and or germany. A 2 AC 1 BB 2-3 CR fleet with 2 trasports in the Meditreainan with acess to the Indian ocean would help alot and if the Japanesse have 5 or more carriers the should keep one in the Indian to reinforce the I-Ties if needed.

AC’s are to important to lose to USAF I would run them back to Iwo Jima and land what ever was left of the attack on the coast DD and trasport a BB in hawaii as close to home as possible execpt the poor DD that went to Hawaii if its still floating. They will get to see what happens to ships that are left in the range of the USAF.

I was looking at the battle map for a bit the other day and I think that a Japan turn 2 taking India and turn 3 Persia would put huge amouts of pressure on russia by turn 4. If you waded though China with fighter assistance your forces would arrive at turn four on the gates of the Cacuses and if the Germams and I-Ties had done their jobs the Japanesse would attack ether Caucuses or moscow on turn 5 and if that did not work you would have India of a IC in turn 2?? or three.  Then you could make Tanks!

I would not build a IC in Manchira but buy and extra trasport for 7. You can move 4 units a turn to the mainland and you could then have a thrasport fleet of 6 or enough to scare America to make ground forces for home and not the europe front.

I dont no how this works with NO’s though you might be down a bit but I think if you make another 2 to three CV’s and as many Fighters as a buget allows that will keep the Americans at bay.