Just a couple of more comments. I think we all understand the need for clear guidelines when it comes to playoffs. If you only have played BM and then in the playoffs are drawn against someone who insists on OOB it comes across as unfair. That is certainly a valid point. But you can also argue the other way too and especially since the rule sates OOB is default. I think we need to update the rules! But how??

The argument to the majority is that no one plays OOB, so it doesn’t matter if you allow it in the regular season if they, the majority, are not required to play it in the playoffs. To me this is meaningless and borderline selfish. There is no motivation to play OOB in regular league play if you are required to play BM in the playoffs. That is a sure death penalty to OOB competitive play. Is that what the League wants?

The only solution I see is to have three leagues, one for OOB, one for BM and one for PtV. Then we avoid all arguments about what to play. If no one wants to play OOB then that league will die after a season or two, but the OOB could also get revitalized, I think. Really it is not that much work to record results for different games in different ranking sheets. I really don’t see why it is a problem. Nothing prevents people from playing all three leagues if they like. Also, if we are worried about no one playing OOB you may remove the 8 games cap for playoffs and introduce a 3 or 4 game rule.

I also think a solution like this will make it easier to keep all players at this site. We desperately need every single player! If everyone gets to play what they want even for the playoffs its easier to keep players too. I think players in many situations are “forced” to play BM because “everyone” wants that, and they feel expected to.

Yeah, obviously this game got out of hand. I have played trulpen too and I don’t think he is unfair. HOWEVER, he is KING of EDITS and that is not so good all the time. With that said he also allows you many edits. I think edits should be kept to a minimum… and not so much after next post. Sometimes this becomes a fine line.

Personally I only bump if I really mean to, bumps should never be used if you only intend to “activate” the game. A bump is a bump. Periode.

@OwenToo said in League General Discussion Thread:

Maybe when someone signs up for the playoffs, they state which playoff they want to be in. And there can be three playoffs: OOB, BM3, and PTV

I think that is a good compromise. You may even sign up for more than one too!?

All:

After several years of playing BM (on and off) I am interested in hearing peoples view on marines. Are they useful? Do they add something to the game?

I struggle with finding how to use them.

Honestly one of the best purpose I have found is to buy with Russia before german DOW just to distract germany so they cant leave land open.

It may be usefull to buy with Japan and take guam and it also may make a differance against an early assault on India.

For the USA it it may make sense to buy on the east coast and put on the cruiser there (maybe the best use I think)

In the pacific it sounds cool because you can island jump and claim several undefended japanese islands, but in reality it does not work because your cruiser (or battleship) is very volunerable for counter attacks.

For the british i have found no or little use for marines, may be useful in special situations where you have several cruisers, but keep in mind 3 cruisers require 15 IPC which is eq. to a transport and inf +art and you get to keep the tranny

For italy? I have little input. Very rearly a lonely cruiser can enter open sea in the med. It needs to be protected by the fleet, then it may make sense.

Anzac: I have never bought a marine with ANZAC

So, in summary I find it useful for some nations in the early game, but I hardly ever, or never, buy a marine past round 2

(sorry for the spelling)

for a 50 bid. I would take:

British
Scotland: 1 fighter
Sz 110, 91 and 98: 1 sub each
sz 71: 1 transport
Egypt: 1 infantry

China
Yunnan: 1 inf

Anzac
sz 62: 1 sub
New Guinea: 1 inf

The China and sz 62 bid is to discourage a J1 attack. J1 attack is extremely powerful when playing OOB version

its not a bad idea to have different caps for different games. It may make much sense to put the cap at 8 for BM and for example 4 at OOB.

I anticipate the die hard BM folks want nothing left behind and want the 8 game cap, its fine. Then OOB could serve as an alternative. AND it should be possible to participate in BM and OOB playoffs given you have enough games. I think it is important not to exclude people though

I dont play PtV so I have no input there

@Panzer-V , @M36

I am happy to play global 1940 2nd ed. I take axis and you take allies, no bid

pm if interested

yeah, I hope to receive my 2024 badge sonn. I donated 60 bucks in july sooooo…@djensen

For the OOB ranking most top players are not active. It should be a tool to filter away the non active players to achieve a current/up to date ranking of active players. How do ido that? If you were great in 2014, 16 and 17 and havent played a game since, then, I dont care what your ranking is

If you want to help euro axis with japan a better plan (I think) is to secure India with japan and from there (or Malaya) go for South Africa. South Africa is usually less defended than Egypt and hence it is easier to capture with less resources, maybe a couple of transports are enough together with a loaded carrier and a destroyer. A yellow south africa is a pain to deal with for allies

TripleA Turn Summary: UK_Pacific round 3

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition

Game History

Round: 3

    Purchase Units - Americans
        Americans buy 1 destroyer, 3 fighters, 2 submarines and 3 transports; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Americans
        1 infantry moved from Gibraltar to 91 Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 91 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from 110 Sea Zone to Holland Belgium

    Combat - Americans
        Battle in Holland Belgium

    Non Combat Move - Americans
        2 infantry moved from Brazil to French Guiana
        1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Central United States to 101 Sea Zone
        1 armour, 1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 2 transports moved from 101 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
        1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
        1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 101 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Hawaiian Islands to 26 Sea Zone
        4 infantry moved from Hawaiian Islands to 26 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 1 battleship, 3 carriers, 2 cruisers, 1 destroyer, 4 infantry, 2 mech_infantrys, 1 submarine and 4 transports moved from 26 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 2 mech_infantrys moved from 54 Sea Zone to Queensland
        4 infantry moved from 54 Sea Zone to Queensland
        3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Midway to 54 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer moved from 26 Sea Zone to 25 Sea Zone
        4 submarines moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
        2 fighters moved from Western United States to Hawaiian Islands

    Place Units - Americans
        2 transports placed in 101 Sea Zone
        2 fighters placed in Eastern United States
        1 destroyer, 2 submarines and 1 transport placed in 10 Sea Zone
        1 fighter placed in Western United States

    Turn Complete - Americans
        Americans collect 55 PUs; end with 56 PUs
        Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 66 PUs
        Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 71 PUs
        Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 76 PUs

    Purchase Units - Chinese
        Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed
        Chinese buy 5 infantry; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Chinese
        2 infantry moved from Szechwan to Yunnan
        1 fighter moved from Szechwan to Yunnan

    Combat - Chinese
        Battle in Yunnan
            Chinese attack with 1 fighter and 2 infantry
            Japanese defend with 1 infantry
                Chinese roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Yunnan, round 2 : 0/3 hits, 0.83 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Yunnan, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Chinese roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Yunnan, round 3 : 1/3 hits, 0.83 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Yunnan, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Yunnan
            Chinese win, taking Yunnan from Japanese with 1 fighter and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Chinese
        1 fighter moved from Yunnan to Szechwan
        3 infantry moved from Shensi to Szechwan

    Place Units - Chinese
        5 infantry placed in Szechwan

    Turn Complete - Chinese
        Chinese collect 7 PUs; end with 9 PUs
        Objective Chinese 1 Burma Road: Chinese met a national objective for an additional 6 PUs; end with 15 PUs

    Purchase Units - British
        British buy 2 fighters and 3 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Purchase Units - UK_Pacific
        UK_Pacific buy 1 artillery and 1 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - British
        1 transport moved from 92 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Gibraltar to 91 Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 91 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from 110 Sea Zone to Normandy Bordeaux
        1 bomber moved from Algeria to 96 Sea Zone
        1 bomber moved from Egypt to 96 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 98 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer moved from 99 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Trans-Jordan to Iraq
        1 armour moved from Trans-Jordan to Iraq
        1 infantry moved from Eastern Persia to 80 Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 80 Sea Zone to 72 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from 72 Sea Zone to Kenya
        1 infantry moved from Burma to Shan State
        2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from India to Shan State

    Combat - British
        Battle in Normandy Bordeaux
        Battle in 97 Sea Zone
            British attack with 1 submarine
            Italians defend with 2 transports
                2 transports owned by the Italians lost in 97 Sea Zone
            British win, taking Normandy Bordeaux from Germans, taking 97 Sea Zone from Neutral with 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 14
            Casualties for Italians: 2 transports
        Battle in Kenya
        Battle in 96 Sea Zone
            British attack with 2 bombers and 1 destroyer
            Italians defend with 1 battleship
                British roll dice for 2 bombers and 1 destroyer in 96 Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1.67 expected hits
                Italians roll dice for 1 battleship in 96 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                1 destroyer owned by the British lost in 96 Sea Zone
                1 battleship owned by the Italians lost in 96 Sea Zone
            British win, taking Kenya from Italians with 2 bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12
            Casualties for British: 1 destroyer
            Casualties for Italians: 1 battleship
        Battle in Iraq
            British attack with 1 armour, 1 artillery and 3 infantry
            Neutral_Axis defend with 3 infantry
                British roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery and 3 infantry in Iraq, round 2 : 1/5 hits, 1.50 expected hits
                Neutral_Axis roll dice for 3 infantry in Iraq, round 2 : 0/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Neutral_Axis lost in Iraq
            1 artillery owned by the British, 3 infantry owned by the British and 1 armour owned by the British retreated to Trans-Jordan
            Neutral_Axis win with 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Neutral_Axis: 1 infantry
        Battle in Shan State
            British attack with 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
            Japanese defend with 1 infantry
                British roll dice for 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Shan State, round 2 : 3/4 hits, 1.83 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Shan State, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the British lost in Shan State
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Shan State
            British win with 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
            Casualties for British: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - British
        2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Shan State to India
        2 infantry moved from Eastern Persia to West India
        1 artillery moved from Egypt to Trans-Jordan
        2 bombers moved from 96 Sea Zone to Persia
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Quebec to 106 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 106 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
        1 battleship, 1 carrier, 2 cruisers, 1 fighter, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport moved from 92 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from Gibraltar to 91 Sea Zone
        1 battleship, 1 carrier, 3 cruisers, 1 fighter, 2 infantry, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport moved from 91 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from 110 Sea Zone to United Kingdom
        1 fighter moved from United Kingdom to Gibraltar
        1 fighter moved from Algeria to Gibraltar
        2 infantry moved from Rhodesia to Belgian Congo
        1 armour and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Union of South Africa to Belgian Congo
        2 aaGuns, 2 artilleries, 2 fighters, 11 infantry, 2 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber moved from India to Burma
        1 destroyer moved from 109 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone

    Place Units - British
        3 infantry placed in Egypt
        2 fighters placed in United Kingdom

    Turn Complete - British
        British collect 32 PUs; end with 32 PUs
        Objective British 1 Original: British met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 37 PUs

    Place Units - UK_Pacific
        1 artillery and 1 infantry placed in India

    Turn Complete - UK_Pacific
        UK_Pacific collect 6 PUs; end with 6 PUs
        Some Units in India change ownership: 1 artillery and 1 infantry
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by British from India: 1 artillery and 1 infantry
        EDIT: Adding units owned by British to India: 1 armour
        EDIT: Changing PUs for UK_Pacific from 6 to 7
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Chinese regular : -0.67
Italians regular : 0.33
Japanese regular : 0.00
Neutral_Axis regular : -1.00
British regular : 1.00

Savegame

I am making a save here because I will ask for an edit. i bought 1 inf and 1 art with India, but I will buy i armour instead and save 1 ipc. The time of the post compared to dice emails will show that this post is made first

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: British round 3

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition

Game History

Round: 3

    Combat Move - British
        1 transport moved from 92 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Gibraltar to 91 Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 91 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from 110 Sea Zone to Normandy Bordeaux
        1 bomber moved from Algeria to 96 Sea Zone
        1 bomber moved from Egypt to 96 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 98 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer moved from 99 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Trans-Jordan to Iraq
        1 armour moved from Trans-Jordan to Iraq
        1 infantry moved from Eastern Persia to 80 Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 80 Sea Zone to 72 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from 72 Sea Zone to Kenya
        1 infantry moved from Burma to Shan State
        2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from India to Shan State

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

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How is this coming along?

Yes, please complete. I think your planes cant hit subs without destroyers. If you can hit my subs i must recondsider. If your only target is the destroyer with 6 planes attacking, no scramble, go ahead

Not at the map,but if you have 3 fighter, 1 tac and 2 bombers? Then no scramble vs dest +3 fighter.

If i am mistanken, please correct me

@gamerman01 said in OOB Oysteilo +40 v Gamerman01 with tech - UHD map:

I don’t think we’ll be done by year end because we each take this game very seriously 🤔 🧐

But I’ll try to keep it moving along

I agree

please use second post. I forgot to move the fighter

TripleA Turn Summary: French round 20

TripleA Turn Summary for game: UHD World War II Global

Game History

Round: 20

    Purchase Units - ANZAC
        ANZAC buy nothing; Remaining resources: 35 PUs; 0 techTokens; 

    Combat Move - ANZAC

    Non Combat Move - ANZAC
        1 fighter moved from 26 Sea Zone to Queensland

    Turn Complete - ANZAC
        ANZAC collect 8 PUs; end with 43 PUs

    Combat Move - French

    Turn Complete - French

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

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TripleA Turn Summary: French round 20

TripleA Turn Summary for game: UHD World War II Global

Game History

Round: 20

    Purchase Units - ANZAC
        ANZAC buy nothing; Remaining resources: 35 PUs; 0 techTokens; 

    Combat Move - ANZAC

    Turn Complete - ANZAC
        ANZAC collect 8 PUs; end with 43 PUs

    Combat Move - French

    Turn Complete - French

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Savegame