Brumbar cannot target the Sniper, but if some fool other soldier is there giving away the position the the Brumbar can target that unit and the poor sniper would get hit by the Blast.
Oh Ok!! Thanks for clearing that up! I want to play online but we’re so busy with our games right now. Sounds fun though!
Already answered by MOT in the Miniatures Game forum.
I know this one. Combat VS a unit in the same hex (DF, Close Assault, etc) does not require line of sight “into”, “out of” or “through” its hex. So for vehlce VS vehicle DF, the only way to draw DF is to go through hex the other vehicle is in. The defender can opt to perform the DF while the Mover is in the same hex, though obvioulsy if it succeeds then the Mover has to trace his path back to the first legal resting position.
So if someone rolls right through my hex: assuming a vehicle was already there and my infantry moved up to him, if the vehicle passes through my hex I get defensive fire while he’s passing through and then if that fails, I get another try when he enters the hex behind me?, (assuming it’s an mg42 with unlimited defensive fire)
Lets get the situation right. ALL units survived the bombardment amazingly. My Nashorn backed out of the hex and killed his Screaming Eagle next turn and he killed my Nashorn in return. No one was hurt in the Bombardment. This is a classic example of “friendly fire.”
Woah, hold on here. You killed an SE Paratrooper with a Nashorn?
Not THATS impressive!
I’m hoping you mean “now that’s impressive”. I’m assuming you did and thanks for the props! It was a very unlikely shot. What it was, was a freakin miracle! After BOTH a sniper and the officer couldn’t kill an SE paratrooper, I bombarded with the Brummbar wich normally turns everything it hits into guts and dirt. EVERYONE LIVED. I was SO pissed. We go into overtime in our games if the objective is occupied by both armies which it was, so the Nashorn of all things killed him.
My question is: I wasn’t even supposed to roll for my sniper being bombarded was I? He cant’ be attack becuase of superior camoulflage and the brummbar was at least 2 hexes, if not more away. And Can’t trumps CAN as far as I know. So we made a mistake even rolling for the Weirhmact expert sniper didn’t we?
Now where is this hospital thread. I wanna check this out.
I agree with Audacity. However, being in the last turn of our game and having his unit in the objective, the smartest move was to bombard the space instead of giving him a chance to kill my men off and holding the position. (Both my first shots were from a sniper and a haupsterm fuhrer which failed. If he had killed one of my men that turn and then the other the next turn he would have won. Better to have the opportunity to bombard him twice than risk once and failing; thus losing the game assuming he would kill my men, one a turn. That was a safe assumption. Always assume you for the worst situation so your ready to respond accordingly if it happens. Not to say that you shouldn’t take risks. You HAVE to. I would have been taking a risk by not bombarding his unit.
My opponent is just bitter he lost and trying to take away the glory of my 3 remaining units on the field to his “none.”
UNDERSTANDABLE considering he has yet to defeat me. I’d be frusterated too but now he’s just reaching for the stars to dimish the glory of German Victory.
Amazinglly, my bombardment didn’t kill a single unit on that hill. So three shots didn’t kill his Screaming Eagle. Finally the nearby Nashorn ended him. I did what was right to ensure victory the best of my ability. I’m not taking any risks “not shooting” when we’re in the last turn and he is in the objective. That’s ridiculous.
Lets get the situation right. ALL units survived the bombardment amazingly. My Nashorn backed out of the hex and killed his Screaming Eagle next turn and he killed my Nashorn in return. No one was hurt in the Bombardment. This is a classic example of “friendly fire.”
According to my tanks crew upon debriefing: They had no knowledge of a single sniper and a single officer on that hill when they began shelling. Only inteligence of a unit of paratroopers entering that terrain.
It’s a pleasure to have INGSOC on this forum at last! Now it looks I can’t talk shit behind his back anymore. Welcome Buddy!!
Very well put about Hitler, Romulus.
I actually refer to Dunkirk in conversation, as “The Luftwaffes first loss”, not really the 3rd Reichs. It was the first time the Luftwaffe was up against pilots as good as them in aircraft that was a fair match and they failed their objective or “Goerings objective” shall I put it.
North Africa is no laughing matter! The Reserves are a good set to collect too. They are good at filling out the armies. They have some cool units that on their own need support, but overall make for a stronger force. There are still some good core pieces, like the PzKpfw 38(t), Panther Ausf. D, Rangers, M22 “Locust”, Intrepid Hero, and the newly costed IS-3 (now costs 71). The Panther Ausf. D is just so awesome for what you pay. Here’s the card:
Also!!! The coolest platoon I’ve found so far, it’s not in the expanded rules, but in a .pdf on the official site… German Panther Platoon, 95 points: 1x SS-Panther Ausf. G + 2x Panther Ausf. D… Normally, even with the price drop on the SS one, that would cost 112 points. It’s a pretty deadly combo. I really want to find 2 more Panther D’s now, so I can field 2 Panther platoons and combine them with an ammo dump for a good 200 point tank battle.
Here’s the links to the files with both the expanded rules and the second batch of formations, they are both in .pdf format once unzipped:
http://www.wizards.com/AvalonHill/rules/FormationsSetII.zip
http://www.wizards.com/AvalonHill/rules/ERFormations.zip
Thanks Ducky. I just began a 250 point battle VS. Americans. I, for the first time in years, put my Tiger 1 on the field with my new 7.5CM LEL G18 . In the first turn, I took 47 points off him without one casualty. Just a damaged Panzer III Ausf F.
What’s funny is we’ve got seperate units on both sides of the board engaging each other. There’s a field in between. My Tiger ! and the 7.5 have CLOSED down that lane. He straight up moved his artillery behind a town and his tanks even ran for cover. He’s SO intimidated by this Tiger it’s hilarious. Units RUN across the lane and hide. The slaughter on the East side of the field in the first and second turn was so great, he’s re allocating all his units West. Um well, the Objective is in the East surrounded by hills only opened to the east.
I just can’t believe how intimidated he is by this single piece of armor. Why doesn’t his bad ass Hellcat just take me on? We’d both probably die! He mounted 2 quad 50s on Universal Carriers (one in the east and one in the West) and they are both gone.
He has still yet to fire in turn 2 so we’ll see what kind of casualties I take but so far this Tiger has his whole god damn army hiding! It’s ridiculous. But man, what a slaughter for 2 turns. He’s done. All because his movements have all been so evasive and all his presses with Bar Gunners and other grunts have been torn apart by my MG teams. His next firing faze will probably take out all 4 of my MG teams but they’ve taken a few gallons of blood out of his army.
It was fun to see one of his units try to flank and get pinned down in the field. My tiger took it out in a heartbeat.
@ABWorsham:
How many Sturmgewehr 1944 were actually produced?
Even if we get off subject, you people are great! I enjoy talking WW II.
Oh no ABWorsham. Don’t be so modest. It is YOU that is great. :-D
If you want to do that, then play Russia verses the US and the UK. That would reasonably closely approximate the post-war world.
I agree.
Nice LT. I used to play by those rules myself, the whole “no man standing” thing. Now what I do is just talk major smack. The last time I played Axis & Allies, I had 10 out of the 12 capitals and and my oppenent decided it was about time to call it a game.
Well I would have LOVED to play that game out so I started talking smack, drawing up this treaty for the US to sign that was just a complete insult. :lol: Yeah, he thought it was funny but we actually got into a negotiation on the treaty for 2 days by phone. Finally when he wanted to play again, I said “The Fuhrer has been more than gracious here.” Sort of mimicking what the German ambassador said in the film “The Battle of Britain.” He surrendered and the world became Nazi.
So now when we play miniatures he talks so much smack it’s hilarious. It’s like he’ll never forgive me for drawing up this mockery treaty just to rub it in. :lol: God we have fun playing together.
@LT04:
No, I disagree, every account I have read describes the Italians as hopeless fighters. You explain away all their military failures to leadership? They failed in Greece, they failed in France, they failed in Africa, and they failed in the med, and thats all atributable to poor leadership. Thats a bit coincidental I think.
Do yourselves a favour, go onto google, search Italians eastern front, and read articles on how they fought.
Am I saying the Russians never retreated? No! I used it as a historically correct generalised factual statement. Stalin had a policy of not one step back. It basically meant that if a Russian retreated, or if a Russian was found behind enemy lines, then they were either shot or sent to the gulag. A big enough incentive to not retreat, wouldn’t you say? And yes that incentive did work!
Yes they probably had poor equipment, and yes they probably had low fuel, and yes any chance they had they ran like hell for the hills! Italians weren’t and aren’t good fighters, and I am by no means saying this is a bad thing! They just are preferential towards fine wine and women, and who can blame them.
As for historically correct, the game is meant to be correct up to spring of 1942, or at least close to historical correctness. Then its up to you to decide the future. Making out that the Italians were good soldiers for the sake of the game, is a bit too far fetched.
Nice. Not to go into sweeping generalizations here but I’m inclined to fervently agree with you. I specifically study the Waffen SS and the Italians ran all the time at the Russian front. 109’s and Stuka’s returning from sorties would make strafing passes at the Italians who were literally running away, leaving the Germans all alone back there.
True account from “Eagles Of the 3rd Reich. The men who made the Luftwaffe”
There was one airfield left in a certain sector of the Eastern front and Russian planes were close by. The Luftwaffe were scrambling to get the few planes they had ready, into the air. The Italians were manning the 88’s that defended the field. As the German pilots scrambled a few planes in the air, Russian fighters and bombers were in clear sight and heading directly for the field.
The Italians actually got up and started running away from their when they saw the first planes coming, leaving all the scrambling pilots and their planes, sitting ducks. That disgusts me.
Not to take away from what you are saying I know you are very well read so don’t take this the wrong way. Aren’t there a lot of stories where British troops stop to have afternoon tea when they had the upper hand?
It’s been a wile since I read up on this but I think something to that effect took place when they were moving ARM to reinforce Operation Market Garden but don’t hold me to that.
My point is every nation has military units that for what ever reason in your case run away or in my story take a break. Military discipline is a learned behavior that truely takes years to master.
Granted some nations are better at it then others but that can be solved by making some in the totem pole with seasoned experiance.
LT
OMG LT :lol: Nice Mr. T quote! Thanks for making me laugh.
I feel what your saying. Some Italians “The Blackshirts” and other units that were fervently national socialistic did fight well but in my personal opinion, they were few and far between collectively. The British breaking for tea is hilarious!! I love that. However, thats just the British bieng the prim proper “anything less would be uncivilized” people they can be. I’ts also them just taking a break, not running out of cowardice. On the Eastern front, the Italians had quite the reputation for straight up, running away while fighting with the SS and Weirhmacht. THAT is cowardice.
If you want another hilarious tidbit about the British:
During the Battle of Britain, captured Luftwaffe pilots were held in college dorm type settings. Their “jail cell” was a bunch of guys with bunk beds sharing a big room. The British allowed them to hang up pictures of Hitler and other Nazi propaganda plus they all had a pool table and card tables to play on. They would be served tea and were allowed as much honey as they wanted. The same thing with marmalade.
Sometimes the Germans would try these hilarious stunts to escape. (What were they going to do? Swim the channel?) One German pilot in particular beat a guard down and got away only to be caught outside in moments. They put him in solitary confinment for a week. Well that was the week of christmas. So on Christmas, they had Santa come visit him in his cell, give him some candy and they gave him a roast dinner complete with a nice glass of wine! I love it. I love the respect they treated those pilots with, even when they were unruley.
Of course they were hoping the Germans would return the favor with their pilots but that atmosphere didn’t take as well over in the German POW camps for some reason.
What do you need so bad from D-Day? Just get 1939-1945 and North Africa if you don’t have many pieces right now.
DUCKY!! Are you serious? What DON’T I need from D-day??? I want it all. Pill boxes, Veteran Tiger, the spotter, the planes. I really want that that 109 Ace from N.A. thought. WAIT. I just looked at the gallery and your right man. Holly sh*t. Im buying North Afrika like it was crack as soon as I’m paid. The only thing I kind of want is The Fock Wulf. Only becuase the 190 A-4 is my favorite fighter of WW2.
You’ll have to tell me about your little game Ducky. We just set up a 250 point game last night and Im using my Tiger 1 (against the US) for the first time in years. Usually I’ll just put the 2 Panzer Ausf G’s on the board instead of expensive tanks like that or the Jagpanther. I actually have a lot of pieces. They are all mostly from the hundreds of dollars I spent on set one and two, back when they first came out.
He won the tank war but lost against my infantry.
This is the second game where my Germans have won against literally 2-1 numbers by taking a key defensive position and using it aggressively towards the end of the game.
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Everything (including tanks) is there to support the guy on the ground. Also the point values are fairly well researched on each piece where good troops can beat numerous bad troops.
[/quote]Yes you are VERY right. But he did get a tad unlucky with my men passing so many cover rolls in his assault on the city. You know what though? That little bastard also passed 90% of his cover and movement rolls last game. So I guess his luck ran out.
I couldn’t agree with you more about supporting the guy on the ground. In most games it seems like there are only troops remaining. The one thing that kind of irritated me is the Americans can buy some really cheap tanks and troops that are amazing. IE: (The Sherman and The Barr Gunner)
Then (yeah, I’m complaining AGAIN) there’s those stupid Screaming Eagle paratroopers that just magically get to land wherever they want because parachuting was SO precise back then. I mean in D-Day for instance (The night prior) Our troops all parachuted onto this tiny little glow in the dark target and they all regrouped exactly where we wanted them. No one got lost, landed randomly or was killed in the jump. Amazing. (Um, there is a little; just a little sarcasm in that story in case anyone got confused) :|
But what am I complaining about? I’ve only lost to the Americans once and it was against my exgirlfriend 3 years ago who was cool enough to play the game with me all the time.
That’s cool! I can’t find these damn D-day packs anywhere. I wanna buy a LOT of them.
So who’s been in a good fight lately? Lets hear about your army, how they did and why. If you can list it go ahead! If not a good summary, containing why you either won or lost from a tactical hindsight would be awesome.
My last battle was against a highly skilled player using the Russians for the first time over his usual US Army.
150 points.
His army: Russia
2 Fanatical Snipers
7 PPSh-41 SMG
3 Cossack Captains
1 Commusit Partisans
5 PTRD-41 Anittank Rifles
4 Mosin-Nagant
4 T-70 Model 1942 Tanks
My army: Germany
1 L3/35 Tank (Italian)
1 Stumpanzer IV Bummbar
1 Elite Panzer IV Ausf. D
1 Sd Kfz 234/2 ‘Puma’
3 MG 42 Machine Gun Teams
1 SS-Panzergrenedier
1 Blackshirts (Italian)
1 Mauser Kar 98k
1 Wehrmacht Veteran Infantryman
1 Wehmacht Expert Sniper
1 SS-Haupsturmfuhrer
1 Wehrmacht Oberleutnant
7 turns with an objective in a grass hex, adjacent to a large city.
His tanks made quick work of my vehicles and all that remained were my Bummbar and his last T-70
His troops advanced from a forest and slaughtered most of my men in a gunfight from forest to city (1 hex distance)
We fell back defensively and his anti tank unit took the objective in turn 6 with 2 MG’s and another anti tank following behind.
In the end, my Brummbar Bombarded and killed his last 2 SMG’s and was killed by his T-70.
His troops from the forest, rushed the city and were slaughtered by my Sniper, mauser Kar and Oberleutnant, All my MG 42 teams were killed early on defending the edge of this town.
My oberleutnant made 3 succesful cover saves in his rush for the city. We were surrounded on both sides. The good roles I made, saved the last 4 untis I had in there and we focused on the objective for the last 2 turns.
All his men were killed and it was only his T-70 holding the objective in turn 7. I used my Oberleutnants angriff ability to move my sniper and Weirmacht Veteran Infantryman into his hex with +1s. We destroyed his tank with those 3 units remaining. The Veteran had been running accross the board the past 3 turns, trying to make it to the city after unsuccessfully trying to engage his disrupted T-70.
The closest game we’ve had yet. I believe I won because I picked off his officers one by one which gave me the initiative in turn 6 and we were able to move into the city hex adjacent to the objective losing my Mauser Kar and Haupstermfuhrer while killing his anti tank gunner occupying the space. My Sniper, the last 3 games has always been one of the last surviving units.
I was ready to admit almost certain defeat as we entered turn 5 but our defensive move into the town to regroup, saved the game. He got very unlucky moving into the city, being disrupted and killed and my Oberleutnant passing 3 cover rolls in a row. My Brummbar also did an amazing amount of damage before being killed. Another mistake he made was the misplacment of his snipers. They were not in cover and were killed my my machine guns early on.
He won coin flip and should have chosen the side of the board that gave him the quickest access to the city but he didn’t. The forest tripped up his men and slowed his advance. However, he used his tanks brilliantly. With a move of 5, they were all over the board destroying my vehicles. He won the tank war but lost against my infantry.
This is the second game where my Germans have won against literally 2-1 numbers by taking a key defensive position and using it aggressively towards the end of the game.
…and you nailed it completely. One of the main reasons Germany lost WWII was preparing for a short war that ended up being a long one. Pride was their downfall.
It’s a character flaw a lot of Germans seem to possess. My German family generally all have the stubborn “my way, or the highway” philosophy….
Yeah. It’s funny how each culture, race or nationality (whatever you want to call it) has it’s own special gifts in certain areas a a collective whole. Of cousrse there are individual exceptions by the thousands but as a whole, Germans have been know for their dominant, regimented and calculated behavior. They are also a very industrious people with a history of producing the finest iron and steel the world has ever seen.
Himmler was adamant about restoring the practice of making damascus blades which took could take at least 10 years to master making. They produced those as swords and especially daggers for rewards to the SS. These blades were renouned as the finest in the world. Much like the Katana. The difference being, these blades had an amazing spectrum of colors that refracted off them becuase of the long, EXTREMELY difficult process it took to make one. Only a hand full of people in the entire world knew how to make them so Himmler set up shops and apprentice programs to keep this medieval practice alive. Today, I’m sure a genuine dagger could go for 10’s of thousands of dollars on e-bay but they dont even have genuine ones listed. The originals are about as rare as it gets. There’s lots of blades that carry tha label but none that I’ve seen are the genuine ones made by the Germans.
The Italians, as mentioned in a another thread, are not naturally gifted warriors. They are a people of the renaissance, connoisseurs and lovers. They fought like cowards on the eastern fron especially.
They deserted their SS comrades many times as soon as they came under heavy fire. As I’v noted before. The Luftwaffe, stuka pilots in particular returning from sorties, would strafe partisans and Italians running at full speed away from the front line out of pure digust for their cowardice.
@Imperious:
Ok course thats right, but then make a thread. But this thread is about an advanced German automatic rifle and got sidetracked into the US constitution and who safeguards it. Thats pretty far away.
True – these threads can get pretty far off from what we started talking about. There’s thousands of variables in each subject of debate and with so many passionate beliefs here – I can see how we get off track so quickly sometimes.
Oh c’mon Imperious leader! Don’t be like that! :-D But whatever you say is as good as an order to me sir “Oh gracious giver of karma”!! Ok then. Lets talk about that. Umm. You wanna start Imperious? I’d like to know more details and history. I ALWAYS wanna know more details and history.
WHAT??? THats the best freaking news I’ve had all day. (and…that may be a bit pathetic) but who cares. So how do I get this new set card? What new set do I have to start spending hundreds on now? Not that I’m complaining Ducky. No no. I never complain. Just b*tch & moan about losing to the Russians which is what’s happening now. The Strurmpanzer IV, Brummbar, is damaged; but of course, still alive.
Man I can see why people like that tank so much. Freakin sweet. So what does armor piercing rounds do? I’m still playing with mostly units from sets one and two.
A soldier in the US military swears to uphold the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic. He does not swear allegiance to the current president, or current head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. That is a very important piece of paper. That piece of paper was the result of a fair amount of action called the Revolutionary War, fought by people who held those beliefs, none of whom were professional soldiers, and by the thoughts of some of the finest minds this country has ever had. A soldier protects those rights, he does not and never will give them to the citizens of this country.
The German military swore allegiance to Hitler prior to WW2, which was part of their undoing. For a classic case of a military with no civilian control, read Kogun written by a Japanese Imperial General Headquarters staff officer. Another choice would be The Great War by Correlli Barnet, on the German military in WW1.
See, that’s a good point. I like that. The soldier PROTECTS our rights and doesn’t give us them. Protection, whether done by a soldier or a brave person in the revolutionary war, they ACT to protect. That brilliant piece of paper would mean nothing without those that have sworn and given their lives to uphold it.
