Posts made by Obergruppenfuhrer

@Audacity:

(hundreds of dollars)!!!   Every hobby has its costs.  You’re enjoying this game so don’t worry about the money too much.

Oh I know! It’s the only thing that makes the saddness go away for that brief, but beauiful interlude. :Sniff:

@Motdc:

I forgot about the Superior Armour!  He had to have been damaged first or the SA would have made it impossible with only 6 attack dice.

Even still, excellent job.  Glad to see where the Nashorn fits in…I’ve never been comfortable using them in most matches.

Actually, he just rolled REALLY bad. I forget who had the quote “bad roles hurt you more than good ones” but I love that quote. He did do the smartest thing however, he backed his tank into a corner so there was 2 hexes of hill between him and my Nashorn. He knew that his tank stould a MUCH better chance at surviving a blow from my Howitzer than the Nashorn. He was right. He did have a BETTER chance but he still got cornered and killed. All because instead of using that tank aggressively to secure key lanes in the field, he tried to hide it the whole game like a chess player who protects his queen when sacraficing her can divert attention away from a swift checkmate by other pieces.

I think it was Ducky who said that one tank on the field is to draw fire and the other is to engage. In a 300 point battle we both had 4 to 5 vehicles on the field but the same strategies apply. I LOVE the Nashorn. It can sit in the back of the field and rain hell on any tank on the board ignoring one hex of cover if it’s in the hills. The one tank I ALWAYS use without exception is the Brummbar. I only have one out of all the packs of that set I bought. (hundreds of dollars)

None the less, that single tank has always more than paid for itself by bombarding key positions with multiple units using cover. It’s a stone cold troop killer that’s tough as nails. I call it the “Makes it rain” tank. Raining fire from the fixed howitzer on villages and forests turning everything into smoking rubble, blood and dirt. I’m in love with the thing in case you can’t tell.

I can definately respect the above point of view.

5 defense WITH superior armor none the less!! It was from 3 hexes away. Only 6 dice I believe. A lucky shot or a good shot, whatever; it’s DEAD. And the reason it wasn’t able to counter attack is the tank used it’s movment in the assualt phase to try and run. He was backed up against the board though. Check mate, mutha f###er.  :evil:

I’m fessing up here. I voted for Hitler. “Man of the year.” I’m not quite sure what that means exactly so I took it as the most influential. I believe the atomic technology would have been discovered without Einstein, but perhaps not in the same time frame. There’s no way to know when it would have been available as a weapon without Einstein. His theory of relativity definately puts him in a close tie for me however.

I voted for Hitler because he demonstrated to modern civilization that an empire similar to the Romans, could still rise and pose a threat to the world, collectively. I think Hitler changed the manner in which the world now looks at those that rise to totalitarian power and the actions taken as a result. I believe he showed us that fanatisism with fervent followers can be precise, completely calculated, organized and extremely powerful.

I dont thing the American public has learned its lesson however. They don’t have perspective that history continues to repeat itself. Many people have completely forgotten the impact of 9/11 on our national security. I think the government has taken it as serious possible while the public (and even large divides of the government) has now come to almost a majority gripe against Americas efforts to thwart future attempts.

If anyone thinks that thinks there hasnt been a need for force to secure the safety of our country after 9/11 are still living in a safe little bubble where the twin towers collapsing are nothing more than TV violence they have long been desensitised to.

Looks like my game against the Russians isn’t going so bad after all! We’d be entering turn 4 and I’ve lost 58 points as opposed to his  armies 146 points. And yeah! I was so pumped when I saw that Veteran Fallschirmjager. I would love to know what the Stug G’s stats are. I have 2 F’s which I’ve begun to field on occasion.

The best part was last turn, his t-34/85 kept moving behind these hills to aviod my Nashorn, so I moved my Burmmbar using the road bonus into a town hex with 2 of his troops in it. This move cornered and destroyed his t-34/85 from the west. The Brummbar wasn’t disrupted. I also just ordered 2 spotters and 2 81mm mortars and I can’t wait to field them instead of my stupid light mortars which have rarely done me any good. His 81mm’s have done pretty well this game and I was forced to move & take out his damn spotter as soon as possible to avoid further devistation.

My opponent plays the Russians well but we got into a discussion where he was kind enough to tell me the reason I keep winning is the placement and tactical moves of my men. He at one point reffered my tanks as “Rooks” on a chess board.

I couldn’t have agreed more with the analogy; being a decent chess player.

I told him he was very meticulous and just wasn’t looking at the board in a larger perspective. I look at a battle map and concentrate on the open lanes. My artillery and tanks are constantly moving to cover and close these lanes. The Germans have an excellent advantage of having artillery and especially tanks with extended range. The troops often act as pawns and units like machinge gun teams and snipers can be similar to bishops. In my opinion, your best tank often acts as the queen, dominating any postion it’s placed in.

He also brought up an interesting point that his army didn’t have, to his knowledge, any commander which removes disruption counters like my Haupstrumfuhrer of which I ALWAYS field 2. This unit alone has preserved and saved my front line troops on countless occasions.

Now out of 4 tanks, both his T-34/67 and 85 have been killed with an Su-122 and KV-1 remaining in the far West. The Su-122 is disrupted so one of my tanks will take full advantage of this and use a long, open lane to destroy it next turn. His KV-1, while disrupted, amazingly survived an attack by my Panzer IV Ausf G. I cant wait to finish this game. Entering turn 4, there will be perhaps one to no survivors on one of our sides side by turn 7.

I thought the Chess analogy he made was interesting because in chess I always am looking at the board in terms of applying pressure on lanes. The same thing applies in this game in a strikingly similar manner.

@Imperious:

If you people write up more information about who sold what to and from Sweden, then you need to make a History thread for Sweden. I unintentionally thought i was moving Timerovers History post to the History section, but i just moved the entire thread by accident. Everything is corrected. Any more stuff not about the thread will be deleted. Too much stuff to sort thru when it has no material issue to topic under discussion.

How do you do it Imperious Leader? Is this your full time job? (If you don’t mind me asking) There must be thousands of things you have to deal with daily. You should get some serious paid vacation for all your work in my opinion.

@Imperious:

Collapse of civilization if full nuke exchange occurs, but USA would win because it would have more survivors to finish the fight.

I agree with Imperious Leader. I can’t see us actually taking their whole nation with force but I can see them reaching terms of surrender with us to stop the bloodshed. I think both side would have been pretty motivated to reach an agreement for the fighting to stop but I voted for the US to come out on top.

That’s hard to say. My German Army has A SOLID 100 pieces or more. He is using mostly my Russian army which must have 80 pieces at the very most.

I bought the first 2 Afrika packs and got 2 german units. One from each.  :x He was nice enough to go buy the last contested skies and the last Afrika pack and he got tons of German stuff so we just straight up traded and I’m really happy about it. I got my FIRST vetern paratrooper! I’m SO happy with this unit. I also can’t wait to use my new. Stug III Ausf D and SD Kfz 231. FINALLY a decent strike and fade vehicle for the Germans for only 6 points!! The armored car 222 is the most useless, expensive thing from the base set. I HATED it.

Now I at least have 2 Weirhmacht Veteran Infantrymen (he traded me the 2nd) and the 2 Luftwaffe Infantry (he traded me). I would love to have more SS Panzergrenediers. (I have 2). I always split my troops into 2 divisions for each side of the field and base their strength accordinly but I always have an Oberleutnant and Haupstumfuhrer present with each unit and at least 1-2 MG 42 teams. The Haupstumfuhrer is a life saver, removing disruptions every round. My units always stay dug in in the worst fighting becuase of him and if we have to blitz him, I use the Oberleutnant to move units into their hex.

I also almost always field at least 2 expert snipers, one per unit but most of the time they are off on their own to in cover with artillery or tank support to make sure no one gets close enough for a kill. The snipers are always among the last surving units in the game and so is my Haupsturmfuhrer usually because I do my best to protect him.

My Brummbar tank is fielded EVERY game without exception and is usually the last of my tanks to be destroyed (if it even gets destroyed).

@Motdc:

I dont disagree that the wording in this case is poor, but I’m quite confident in my interpretation.  I’ll look up an FAQ on it though and post back.

SO. Forget the smoke hex for a sec. If a tank wishes to drive right through one of my units hexs, can that unit chose to make its defensive fire role while the tank is in the hex? I thought you could only make defensive fire while a unit was moving adjacent to yours.

Speaking of honor, perhaps its been a little unfair that I’ve been playing someone who does not have a weapon with “bombardment”. Well last night we both bought out the rest of the Afrika and contested skies packs at our local store and we STILL haven’t got a single plane. I’m really getting irritated. We’re just going to buy individually. He was really cool though and traded me 4 German units for a Russian Su-122.

I got the 2 rare russian tanks in buying 2 afrika packs and out of BOTH of those packs, I only was given 2 axis cards. REALLY irritating. My opponent now has an amazing array or armor and plays Russia quite well. So I think my tanks are finally going see an end to their overwhelming supperiority on the field.

That’s freakin awesome Ducky!  :lol:

Only reason Sweden could be free and neutral, was because Swedens friend and protector Herman Goering guaranteed Swedens integrity. Otherwise Adolf wanted to occupie Sweden as well.

That is a very interesting story about how Sweden stayed neutral. It all started “because an obscure German aviator fell in love with a beautiful Swedish woman on a cold winters night in 1920.”

Goering first wife lived there and he had, through his former brother in law (Count Eric Von Rosen), Given his word to King Gustav of Sweden that Swedish neutrality would never be violated by the Nazi party.

When Goering heard of Hitlers plan to invade Sweden with the OKW in March of 1941, he immediately went to Berchtesgaden and stould up to Hitler for the first time in his life.

He told Hitler of his promise to the King and said that if they invaded Sweden, the fuhrer would have to accept his resignation.

Hitler could see that Goering was quite sincere about this and their relations as friends, were still very good. Although Hitler was not happy about it, he ordered an immediate halt to the OKW. Hitler knew that if anything, he could attack Sweden later but that never ended up happening.

A side note regarding Goering:
After the death of Goerings first wife, he never really was the same. She pushed him to work harder and be a better man while his second lover lured him away with all her might to spend, eat, and drink lavishly in their gorgeous home along the Black Forest. She even had Goering help her Jewish friends get out of Germany.

Goering was coherced by her to intervene more than a few times when her Jewish friends (mostly actors and aristocracy) were taken into custody by the SS and Gestapo. There was a final intstance later in the war when Goering & Hitler were not on good terms. Once again Goering was begged to intervene on behalf of a husband and wife taken into custody and were awaiting deportation to a concentration camp. Goering interviened by telephone and an agreement was made that they would be sent to “one of the nicer camps” and given their own private quarters with a servant. However, out of spite for Goering, the Reichsmarshall had them executed immediately.

Source of Refferance: “Eagles of the 3rd Reich, the men who made the Luftwaffe” by Samuel W. Mitcham JR.

@Audacity:

But on some level games mirror our real life attitudes

That is a very introspective point. The games do bring out traits in our personality and that’s why these dicussions are so interesting in how they turn into moral and philosophical debates. It’s a good thing for us to go with it and challenge each others views because I know that I’m learning a lot by participating in these dicussions.

….And thank you Der Kommander. You honor my SS battalion with your unsolicited praise. We won a very one sided battle last night. One sided in the sense that more than 10 units and 2 tanks remained of my force to my enemies complete decimation. It was fear that lost this opponent his battle. He diverted his forces (US) west; away from the objective and the bulk of my force and even pulled valuable resources away from the field in fear of my Tiger 1. These actions set us up for an aggressive stance the entire game.

Anyways – I really enjoy what everybody brought to this debate which is really about morals and codes of conduct, not Axis and Allies miniatures.

Speaking of which, If you know anyone that wants to trade German stuff for my Japenese army, let me know.

I didn’t see Tom Smith on that list. He was a factory worker in the 30’s and could he take down Scotch like nobodies business. He could drink a whole bottle and still ride his bycicle to buy a nights lodging for a nickel. In those day nickels were worth quite a bit. Tom also was a stern father, using the belt to the backsides of his 4 children weekly. They all grew up to be factory workers. Now a days, kids have no respect. Reckon it’s time for that belt to come back out. Reckon so.

I KNOW that everyone is voting (ABWorsham, I’m looking at you). Unless its closed then nevermind.

@Ducky:

National Socialism is about giving up some personal freedoms for the collective good of the state. A few friendly casualties to win the battle can be justified under those circumstances. Most countries had that philosophy back then, and I think it was better. The common good should be more important than the individual. Look at what helping the individual has gotten everyone? Invalids draining economies dry while weakening the gene pool. We’ll all end up a bunch of crippled, food-starved morons at this rate. Natural selection FTW.

:lol: Omg. Thank you. AbWorsham and Ducky to the rescue. Ducky, what a politically incorrect, arcane, “predjudice statement.” Don’t you know it’s your fault the state came in and took ma baby!  :lol: I can’t believe you had the guts to just flat out say that. That rocks!! I feel the same way man. If you voice opinions like that in Minneapolis, your a nut case and FAR left people will literally start screaming at you and “about the war” and I’ve heard so much I just wanna vomit. On them.

Here’s a similar situation/ analogy:

It was the last turn of the game meaning, I would lose if my men failed to secure the hill and they were failing, they hadn’t landed a single hit.

If the Americans were attacking a German 88 mm position that was decimating their forces from afar, they sent in a few Rangers and a sniper and they failed to take out the 88mm’s which contiued to fire on American Armor and units that were needed to secure a bridge lets say, would it me wrong for the Americans, sensing they may lose with the gamble of relying on a few elite men who had failed to destroy the artillery postion in a timely manner, would it be wrong for them to mortar the 88 position, knowing full well, there was a chance of their men being hit?

I say NO. Troops are an expendalble weapon of the state. What do you call the first wave of men into D-day? Expendable for a greater means. They knew full well the casualties would be immense. Did they decide to try and bomb the dug in Germans for weeks intsead of try and take the position by force? No. Bombing (which they DID do) was only half useful. They COULD have continued air strikes and continued to batter the coast with battleship batteries.

They could have wasted all that time for (alternate means) but they didn’t. They meticulously prepared the largest scale seaborn invasion in history, knowing the first wave would suffer incredible losses but we would prevail through our numbers. Those men were exendable in that sense and they died with tremendous honor if you ask me.

So you could relate the 88mm position analogy to my situation. Risk losing or mortar the postion with a better chance of doing damage knowing full well, a few american lives may be hit by the shellling. Soldiers must be used to WIN a war. They are (sadly) expendable in that sense. That doesn’t mean you slaughter your own men whenever convenient. You have to make choices that will lead to victory sometimes. The ends justify the means in my book. I won. Luckily, my men weren’t at all harmed. Being in the last turn, I did the made the most intelligent decision to give myself every chance of killing my opponent in the final moments of the game.

It says: the unit can make any number of defensive fires. I’m assuming that means one, every time it’s provoked. That’s how I interpreted it.

Yes I get that. But assuming the smoke wasn’t there in my hypothetical postion, the SMG team could not make a thousand attemts, ony one attempt per adjacent hex the enemy unit moved through, assuming it’s first attack was unsuccessful. So It would only get a maximum of 2 shots here is what I’m wondering about.