Posts made by Obergruppenfuhrer

@timerover51:

@Obergruppenfuhrer:

@timerover51:

I cannot vote, but I suspect that following the failure of Sea Lion, sometime in October or November of 1940, Hitler is shot, and the Germans start frantically negotiating with the British to clear their backs before the Russians attack.

Yeah that would have been nice if he were shot but Goerring was next in command. Uh. That fat a** was SO lazy. Now if Rommel took full power, the whole Riech would have been a different place to live that didn’t persecute anyone. One of the main problems the Nazis always had was no central leadership militarily speaking. So Hilter (for instace) would settle arguments with Weirmacht and SS High Command by making extremely some poor decision. Then to make matters worse, he would continue to meddle with the battle plans instead of trusting some of the most brilliant strategists in all of Europe.

Hmm, “most brilliant strategists in all of Europe”.  You might try reading the Germans own assessment of their strategy in Germany’s Campaign in Russia, 1940-42, Planning and Operations.  The Germans THOUGHT that they were the most brilliant strategists in Europe.  When it came to logistics, they were rank amateurs.  Amateurs worry about tactics and strategy, professionals worry about logistics. They were a bit better with respects to logistics than the Japanese, but that is not saying much at all.

When I said “Brilliant” I meant ALL of Europe including England by the way if that’s what’s gotten up your pants. Rommel was a brilliant strategist. As I had mentioned, there was no real central leadership besides Hitler so officers argued over “who gets what” when it came to the logistics of supplies. I don’t know what your talking about. A god General is completely involved in logistics, just not down to every little detail. They make sure their men fighting have the supplies they need and the lanes of supply convoys do not get closed down

Very good point Imperious Leader. I think Hitler was the fuel of the regime, however Goebbels was doing an amazing job with the propaganda. I think if Hitler was shot during the Battle of Britain, (after Sea Lion was too late) They would have closed that front and negotiated peace and adressed Russia with full force which is what they should have done. If Hitler was shot prior to the first bombs that fell on Berlin, the very bombs that caused him to divert air strikes aimed at ship yards and RAF fields, Britain would have been taken, but at a high cost. They should have left England alone after they took france. Russia was the real enemy if you ask me.

This is an awesome debate! I feel priviledged to finally discuss such matters with others who know enough about the war to bring such insightful topics and points to the table.

I formally apologize about all the grammatical errors in my last post. I was in a hurry. Being an aspiring writer, there’s nothing more embarassing to me.

@timerover51:

I cannot vote, but I suspect that following the failure of Sea Lion, sometime in October or November of 1940, Hitler is shot, and the Germans start frantically negotiating with the British to clear their backs before the Russians attack.

Yeah that would have been nice if he were shot but Goerring was next in command. Uh. That fat ass was SO lazy. Now if Rommel took full power, the whole Riech would have been a different place to live that didn’t persecute anyone. One of the main problems the Nazis always had was no central leadership militarily speaking. So Hilter (for instace) would settle arguments with Weirmacht and SS High Command by making extremely some poor decision. Then to make matters worse, he would continue to meddle with the battle plans instead of trusting some of the most brilliant strategists in all of Europe.

@Ducky:

http://www.vesivus.com/aaminis/AM_Nationality_German.htm

there you go!! almost all the stat cards for everything!!

DUDE!!! YOU are the man. Where in blazes did you find that link? I searched the damn internet forever yesterday looking for this exact thing. Man if I could hook you up with Karma, you’d be at positive 300 by now. Thanks brotha!!

Thanks so much for being so kind as to putting the card up and thanks for the rule clarification! Now if only someone would be as kind as you and post the cards of the German aircraft! I’m so curious, it’s making me crazy. Next paycheck, I’m getting a ton of “D-day” packs.

@Ducky:

I try and field 2 at a time when I can. Pretty bad-a** tank huh?!

OMG yeah. I MUST get this tank. So can you explain the whole superior armor rule to me please. I don’t qute understand it. If your attack dice beat the defense dice by 2 or more, than wouldn’t you have 2 hits anyways? I don’t get it.

Does anyone have anything to trade in regards to these German miniatures?

Veteran Tiger
Bf-110
ME-109
FW-190

I have a some nice Russian equipment and a huge US army. I’m willing to straight pay for them as well. Let me know if you have anything on your wish list and I may have it. (caution: I’m hesitant to give up certain German units that I don’t have multiples of since this is my primary army.

@Ducky:

Veteran Tiger

hell yeah Ducky. I WISH I had that tank. Pu-lease give me the run down on the card!!

@Cobalt:

I like the M3 Honey Stuart with its “All Guns Blazing” SA. It’s low cost, fast and I like to use it as support in an infantry heavy build.

I’m not a big fan of the uber tank battles with “Superior Armor” and “Hulking Mass” SAs.

Cool! I’ve never seen that tank before. What country is it from? Would you mind giving me a brief rundown on it’s stats so I can understand why you like it so much?

@Der:

Now we’re talking… :evil:

Yes man! Your Erwin Rommel quote almost made me spit my drink all over the laptop. Hilarious. That’s awesome. I love that man. I wish HE could have run the whole show.

Tanks really have 3 puposes in my limited experience with this game.

1. Bombardment of infantry.
2. To battle other tanks.
3. To ascertain key firing positions with speed.

You can name a few of your favorites if you like. Perhaps one for each catagory but feel free to go nuts. I’d love to hear all the input from you veterans out there.

Being a German Commander, my favorites that I have currently and use the most frequently are:
1. The Sturmpanzer IV "Brummbär.
(Perfect for bombarding multiple infantry targets especially hiding in cover and tough as nails.)
2. The Nashorn.
(The most effective tank killer I own. Incrediblely range effective. Since it can ignore one hex of cover, I usually use it to hide in a crucial firing position.)
3. The Panzer IV Ausf. G
(Cheap in points for a German tank that’s effective against armor and it isn’t limited by a fixed howitzer like my prior choices. A great way to get some serious armor out on the field in multiples. I hate how cheap in points the basic Sherman is! That tank is devistating. Yet it’s value does coincide with the mass production of it.)

@Ducky:

To get into a lot of the decent non-standard military positions you had to do some pretty unsavory things… I think if they’d laid off the mass-murder when they got into power, and just gone with the Madagascar plan, public opinion wouldn’t have been so bad. That plan is not as awful as what North America did to the natives, so they couldn’t have said anything that wouldn’t be hypocritical. It’s not ethical, but I’d rather get moved than killed if it were up to me. I think their main problem was trying to do too much too quickly.

It’s always easy in hindsight to judge things, but I think these cost Germany the war:
-Siding with Japan over China: They did it for anti-communist reasons, but they chose an ally with no natural resources who was fighting someone they’d rather be allied with in the first place (Britain). If Germany had pledged prior the outbreak of WWII to defend British colonies overseas against possible Japanese aggression, they wouldn’t have said no.
-Letting the troops at Dunkirk escape: Hitler was hoping to make an ally out of the UK still and didn’t want to piss them off, but I think the time had passed for that. The escape just strengthened their resolve more than broke it.
-The Russian Winter: It’s like playing Russian roullette with a semi-auto 9mm… everyone loses, every time! Hitler needed to finish off the UK before opening a second front. Nothing about a 2-front war seems good.

Nice Ducky. I’m impressed with your evaluation and knowledge! You are absolutely right about Britain! I never even thought of that! Hitler didn’t want a war with England in the first place. I remember him saying something along the lines of “I don’t want to do battle with people that are so much like us.” Hitler tried to persuade England but he should have known their was no way they would support Nazi occupation. He underestimated British resolve.

The evacuation of Dunkirk was the Luftwaffes’ first defeat. It was Goerings fault completely. He promised Hitler that his air force alone could take Dunkirk with little to no ground support. He was on an ego high from prior victories and for the first time, the Luftwaffe faced equal air oppostion with pilots and aircraft that were equal to theirs. They weren’t prepared for that. They needed the ground support and could have had it in a heartbeat if Goering had only asked instead of trying to prove some sort of point about how good his air force was.

…and you nailed it completely. One of the main reasons Germany lost WWII was preparing for a short war that ended up being a long one. Pride was their downfall.

LOL! I know! Or when officers “shoot to wound” or someones arm to get them to drop their weapon! My dear god. Officers are required to shoot to kill if they discharge their weapons. Also – sometime those gun fights where people are shooting each other on TV from over 100 yards away while moving with a 9mm pistol. Ummm, ever heard of “drop”? or “range”? or how about even “Gravity??”
It cracks me up.

@Ducky:

@Obergruppenfuhrer:

@Ducky:

A lot of my family in the UK thought they should’ve been fighting the communists and the French, not the Germans, in WWII. The real irony as well is that I had German family in Canada fighting against the Germans as well… then there’s the infamous “Paraguay contingent” of them too…  :oops:

I could symathise. I hate communism. You could even go so far as to say I’m a Nazi sympathiszer in the sense that I wanted them to win on the Eastern front. Stalins war crimes outnumber Hitlers by the millions. Don’t get me wrong though, I don’t condone racism or the holocaust or any other violations of the Geneva Convention. That’s why I dislike the Japanese Empire of that era with a passion as well. They were atrocious murderers; hence “The Bataan Death March” Our troops were promised that if they
surrendered, they would be treated as “Guests of the Emperor.” That alone was a great tragedy. I loath commanding officers who don’t honor their word.

I had a great uncle that was captured in Burma and came home covered in scars from the Japanese. My UK family are generally pretty tolerant, but my mother’s generation and back all hated Japan and wanted it sunk into the ocean. I agree fully, Stalin’s hate was arbitrary, and he didn’t care who lived or died. At least Hitler had a method to his madness so you could gauge whether or not you were at risk of getting offed lol

I know! At least Hitler had a plan. Him and Himmler wanted a resurection of medieval Germany throughout Europe and beyond. Himmler dreamed of restoring “The Order of the Tuetonic Knights.” Hence The Elite SS, Ace Pilots, and Officers were treated and decorated much like knights. Even their storm troopers were beautiful in a gothic sense. They were building everything with plans on it being there for the next thousand years. An architectual method, style and beauty that our society has destroyed. At least Hitler was methodical and his subordinates were often brilliant men with very organized agendas. Stalin was just straight up crazy and excecuted entire towns, entire brigades, anyone really for no real reason. Your right.

At least with Hitler you knew if well in advance if you were in good standing. Too bad he did everything he could to destroy Europe in his final days. The head Nazi officer in Paris purposly delayed and falsified reports as to not follow through with “the complete demolition of Paris.” His betrayal of Hitlers fanatical demmands to destroy beauty just our of smite saved the Paris we see today. It’s unfortunate that man was hanged for war crimes with many other head Nazi officials….or maybe he got what he deserved. We’ll never know all the “other” things he may have participated in regarding antipartisan activity and racial purity in Paris.

@LT04:

Obergruppen fuhrer,

I enjoy reading your posts.  You have a very detailed knowledge of the war, a very articulate vocabulary and the passion to do it all justice.

You seemed to have awakened my passion for WWII I also had in high school but lost when I graduated and became occupied with other things.

Again thank you for your posts,

LT

Wow. That’s one of the biggest compliments to me. Thank you very much. I’ve studied the war since I was 6. I’m 29 now and I’ve only begun to seriously disect details within the past 5 years. My primary knowledge lies in especially in the Luftwaff & The 3rd Reich in every aspect. Also I have extensive knowledge in the Fock Wulf 190 A-1 - A-5, The Messerschmitt 109 E-4 & G and the B-17 flying fortress F and G. I read a 700 page book on the flying fortress by Marin Caiden last summer and it was amazing once you get through all the technical specs and get into the amazing stories.

I’m SO happy to hear that I’ve ignited your passion again. That makes me feel wonderful because I know how wonderful it feels to be passionate about something. It makes life worth living even when things are horrible. Perhaps that’s how people felt about the war back then and that’s what got them through? Passion.

Thanks again for your gracious compliment!

@Ducky:

A lot of my family in the UK thought they should’ve been fighting the communists and the French, not the Germans, in WWII. The real irony as well is that I had German family in Canada fighting against the Germans as well… then there’s the infamous “Paraguay contingent” of them too…  :oops:

I could symathise. I hate communism. You could even go so far as to say I’m a Nazi sympathiszer in the sense that I wanted them to win on the Eastern front. Stalins war crimes outnumber Hitlers by the millions. Don’t get me wrong though, I don’t condone racism or the holocaust or any other violations of the Geneva Convention. That’s why I dislike the Japanese Empire of that era with a passion as well. They were atrocious murderers; hence “The Bataan Death March” Our troops were promised that if they surrendered, they would be treated as “Guests of the Emperor.” That alone was a great tragedy. I loath commanding officers who don’t honor their word.

I’m so glad that some of you are in agreement in this.

Perhaps if they haven’t made this already, they will come out with the Junkers 88. Another remarkable precision bomber. It was dubbed the “wonder bomber” when it entered service and as a twin engine fighter/bomber. It was quite manueverable for it’s size and served as a reasonable fighter or fighter escort. The armament ranged by different variations of the JU-88, but it included up to the MG 151/20 cannons. With an external bomb load of 4,409 lbs and an internal load of 1,102 lbs, it could carry a devastating delivery to a precise targe as a dive bomber.

It’s maximun speed was 323mph! Amazing for a twin engine, dive bomber. It could also “carpet bomb” with impressive precision.

Depending on the make, it could have 4 fixed guns in the nose or 1-2 trainable guns protuding out of the front windscreen. Two, trainable machine guns rear of the cockpit and an aditional rear facing, trainable gun in the underside gondola. 3-4 man crew.

Hopefully Axis and Allies can make up for their gross underestmate of the Stukas power by giving us German Commanders this plane with appropriate rules and points to coincide with it’s devistating effectiveness and versatility. (I’m probably dreaming though.) The planes in this game straight up suck. That’s my only complaint of the whole game (if you don’t count my bitch about those damn paratroopers being able to land anywhere they want) Paratroopers often missed their target by miles or were killed on the way down.

Sorry for the rant guys, being a history buff, I can’t even watch movies with major historical flaws in them.

From what I’m hearing, the stuka isn’t a killer. I’m an aircraft junkie myslef and somewhat of an expert on Luftwaffe Aircraft. That plane should cost A LOT and should kill or pin down anything it strikes. The model I’ve seen shows either 37 or 55mm cannons mounted under both wings. Those cannons could rip apart a smaller ship in a single volley. I’ve seen the gun cam footage of those guns being used. The explosions are huge from their shells.

Plus the Stuka was an amazingly accurate dive bomber and some were given the “Siren of Jericho” which demoralized and struck fear into troops as they made passes.

Even after the Stuka was out of ammunition, in support of ground forces, they would continue to make dives to get that loud siren to freak soldiers out. The siren alone has honestly pinned down entire units who were expecting a precision bomb to end their lives at any second. I haven’t seen the Stuka card but it sounds like it’s versatility and success as a ground support aircraft is vastly underrated. That sucks! C’mon Axis & Allies!!!

Those fucking Gestapo were on the biggest power trip. There’s ony one other type of Nazi I hate more: The einzatgruppen. Those pussies didn’t even fight. They just followed in close proximity in the fighting and then rounded random people up to be killed. They completely ruined our relations with Russia by treating the civians who helped Germany like shit and shooting them with little to no cause. Even the SS hated their sorry asses.

@Half-Track:

@Obergruppenfuhrer:

Thank you so much! I should take it slow but it’s hard when your so hooked. I love WWII history so much that Axis and Allies is like some “dream come true” of a game to me. Love your singnature quote by the way.

Learn to play online with us in the play by post forum.

Thank you for the invitaion. I’m working a lot this week but come this weekend, I’ll make time for that. Sounds wonderful!