Posts made by Novosibirsk

I would have to say that under those circumstances, yes it may be worth it to send the Japanese Navy towards Europe. It would be well worth it to sink as many transports as possible in the European theater.

The only thing is, it takes several turns to sail a fleet up along africa, through the Med, and then engage the enemy in a preferable battle. It seems like when two fleets are inches from battle, most often a game of cat and mouse develops where the attacker is forced into a battle they might not want.

But if you have 2 IC’s pumping land units and a homeland fleet also channeling troops while protecting from bombardments, it may be valuable to send the fleet over. Sometimes it seems like there is really no alternative choice of what to do with the Japanese navy.

SPEED IT UP –> Lend Lease. Allies have a huge advantage
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Make it interesting --> Wolfpacks and/or U-boat interdiction
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Japanese fleet to the Med is a waste. What happens when you lose troops. You can’t really turn around anymore. Soon enough after you’ll lose Africa, which is most likely the reason your fleet was near the Med in the first place. Unless your supply lines are strong with Japan, I would not reccomend sending any fleet to the Med.

It is a new strategy I have never considered. I like the idea of guaranteeing India first turn, but considering what it takes for Japan to take India on the first turn, it just doesn’t seem worth it. Let me expand.

What does Japan have to throw at India on J1? Two INF / 4-5 FIG / 1 BOM. This is assuming that the kwangtung TRN was destroyed on UK1. With the TRN, add 2 INF and most likely a large scale naval engagement. The naval engagement will also force Japan to spread its fleet, not to its liking. To add to the dismay, no shore bombardments are possible. By lending support to India, it makes a Japanese invasion seem very unreasonable. To not lend troops to India makes the India invasion just unreasonable. I picture India typically an option on J2 - J4, mostly leaning towards the latter. But don’t worry, If you do build that IC there, it will become a major point of interest for the Japs. More so than a US IC.

The other discerning point about this tactic is the useless shifting of Russian troops. That rusian ARM will not attack until R3 at best.

Anyways, the Allies can consolidate to the sea zone southwest of UK

Just thinking out of the box, but if they consolidate where you are saying, doesn’t that give the opportunity to consolidate the german fleet on the second turn? Right in front of WE? Isn’t this the goal of every German player to get his fleet together as early as possible to throw it at the Allied fleet. If you can get the fleet together, and attack the allied fleet early enough, it can set the UK back three turns and/or take them right out of the European Campaign. Makes sense. Any US fleet that is over there consists of two trannies and a DD. That would get swallowed up.

This whole post had an underlying meaning that I wanted us to sort of stumble on. If the Allied fleet does not consolidate off the coast of Algeria, then it opens the door for a consolidated German fleet on G2. Almost everytime I have managed to consolidate the fleet, It always gives the allies a hard time in the European waters. Without a European allied fleet, Germany Is free to focus on Russia. So the next question for you all would be, how does Germany deter the allies from blocking Algerian waters? Or better yet, what can Germany do to consolidate it’s fleet as early as possible?

whoa ho ho - touche’

You would honestly be saving 1-2 turns by producing fleet out of India rather than SA. Good counter point Jen.

What are the alternatives if say Algeria is too well fortified for the allies to land in it on turn 1. If protected to the fullest extent, germany could have 6 land units, and 4-6 planes and a bomber there, if they stack it up.

But where do the allies go. Do they just hang out in UK?

I am not familiar with Allies because I rarely play them. But I am sick of getting backdoored by an allied stack in Algeria. If you try to clear the stack out, it undermines your African campaign. Plus I am sick of the same ol’ same ol’ moves by the allies. It typically evolves into a cookie-cutter game.

How many of you find it essential to consolidate you japanese fleet as soon as possible?

J1 presents the option to:

1–> consolidate the fleet and scare the allies away from getting to close. It allows you to own the asian coast while you set up tranny routes and/or IC zones. Good for about three turns.

2–> Attack the vunerable fleets. Push USA back another turn or two, and maybe take a daring attack at the UK asian fleet. This most often ends in losses where the severity is contolled by the dice.

3–> Attack and build more fleet. Kind of a median between the two. Unfortunately, this does nothing for getting ground troops on land.

I have found in the past that a consolidation of the “CHEWER” is good because it does not risk your ships early, and gives you the chance to build and flex muscles as the Allies (usually USA) tries to build its own fleet. The trick is just getting USA to move close enough because any battle with the US fleet in the first two turns with Japan is worth most sacrifices. Consider how long it takes the US to rebuild, restock, and move ships back into combat in the Pacific. If USA bails on the Pacific, then the choice is yours. Send the CHEWER on a renegade mission at ASIA/AFRICA or over to Western USA. Either way you should have enough troops by then to get into where you want.

Thoughts?

How long does that take?

Makes sense. Trannies first, then IC’s. All depending though. Thanks all

Round 8 …… whoa!

I don’t think I’ve ever made it that far.  :-o  :-o  :-o  :-o  :-o  :-o

I guess a lot has happened by J1.
When you say did I get 1 IPC on the bid, what do you mean?
I thought all bid related IPC have to be placed.
Learn me

Russia should take Ukraine and WR. It leaves the troops near the front they need to be, and it leaves NORWAY for the UK who is supposed to take it. Same IPC’s for each territory, but your success rate is better with the UKraine attack. Plus, the counterattack is eminent from Germany on Karelia and on Norway with the dormant Trannie in the Baltic.

I think by this point, anything new sounds interesting, and can even look good on paper. :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :| :wink: :wink: :wink:

Which do you go for first?

IC - get them tanks onland immediately and head for the Russian Capital. Steamroll some IPC’s along the way.

Trannies - Great for defense of a spread out nation. Fodder. Ability to siege Africa if Germany is lackluster in this job. Unload those valuable troops from the islands.

Both have their value, but trying to do both usually amounts to a dwindling fleet for japan. You can’t fuel trannies and IC’s at the same time unless adding to the fleet is not important anymore.

Thoughts.

What do I do? Well if I’m Germany, then I’ll be reaching for a beer. That means that Russia spared Germany some IPC’s and some Troops that otherwise would be lost. Also, it allows Germany to inch closer to RUSSIA. Who is doing this? They are moving troops away from the fronts in which they will have to turn around and move back to a couple of turns later. It seems like a waste of time, unless they are going for a KJF method. It still leaves the door open for a german Blitzkrieg. Interesting……

I have been itching to try a new strategy for Germany, but have not yet had the chance. It entails purchasing a AC and BB on G1 for the Baltic fleet. Then move the Med fleet to the Gibraltar SZ and stock up Algeria. US and/or UK will have to either commit all of their forces to taking this territory, or otherwise will regroup in England. This opens the door to combining the German fleet on G2. If the Allies do invade Algeria, then having all of Germany’s planes placed in striking distance (like Algeria or WE) could possibly clear out the allied fleet off the coast of Algeria and allow the german fleet to still combine on G1 during Non-Com moves. Sorry i don’t have exact movements of pieces as I have yet to try this, and believe me, I did not forget about Russia. I would then commence to move all of my troops towards Russia, maybe with or without attacking, seeing that I won’t be putting any land forces into the game until the end of G2. Perhaps a defensive stance for a turn or two would hold off Russia long enough to allow me to re-enter the Eastern Front.

Now consider the domination of owning the seas with a german fleet that consists of: 2 BB, AC (loaded), 2 Tran, 3 Sub, DD all combined. I really don’t think that the allied Fleet would be much of a match for this fleet. You could camp it out in front of WE to deter the allies from invading anytime soon, or you could hunt down the allied fleet and suppress any further building. By G4 you could break off your Trannies and send them to Africa.

It definitely goes against the grain of Germany acting fast and furious, but the idea of a combined German fleet chewer is very desirable. What am I missing? Why won’t it work?