Best posts made by MrRoboto

Forgot about @oysteilo
xD

Hey! I’m back!

To be honest, I’d like the UK fighter to be on the UK carrier. I did not consider you landing it on the US carrier.

I’ve got a request too: I forgot to move one artillery from FIC into Shan state and am too lazy to redo the whole combat turn. I hope it’s ok if I just resolve that fight here via dicebot.

Ah and another thing: I assumed no suicide scramble from India but let me know if I assumed wrongly!

Attack:
2 inf, 1 art

[dice 1d6<=1]
[dice 2d6<=2]

Def:
1 inf
[dice 1d6<=2]

@gamerman01 said in League General Discussion Thread:

How many are you in?

13 right now, with some requests pending ;-)

Elche’s Allies+15 beat my Axis in BM4.

https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/topic/40118/l23-bm4-elche-allies-15-vs-roboto-axis-game-2/102?page=5

After a successful sealion I already saw myself winning. However, playing extremely bad with Japan - usually my strong suit - made everything crumble and the final nail in the coffin was a tactical mistake I made with Germany that gave Russia a chance for a lucrative battle… which the dice made even worse and netting me a whopping -103 TUV in a single battle.

Thanks for the game!

One advice I can give you:

Don’t build so many destroyers.
They serve 2 purposes: Blocking fleets and detecting subs.

So you need to have enough destroyers to have a blocker when needed and to always be able to detect subs.

Ideally, the big navy stack of Japan/USA should have no more than a single destroyer.

Subs are better at everything else.

I once calculated the optimal fleet composition, a long time ago. You should have around 5 subs for every full carrier.
So for example a fleet could look like this:

1 destroyer
15 submarines
3 carriers
6 fighters
Cost: 206 TUV
Offensive Power: 50
Defensive Power: 47
Hitpoints: 28
Cost: 206

Consider the alternative with only destroyers instead of subs:

12 destroyers
3 carriers
6 fighters
Cost: 204 TUV
Offensive Power: 42
Defensive Power: 48
Hitpoints: 24
Cost: 204

You can already see that the destroyer setup has far less offensive power (1 1/3 hits in one round on average!). There’s no debate at all that the subs are leagues ahead when attacking.
And defensively they are almost the same, while having 4 more hitpoints - so even defensively the subs outperform the destroyer.

Consider the same setup in a fight against an equally strong navy. Let’s say the fleets suffer 10 hits in the first round. how does it look like in the 2nd round?

Sub-setup:

1 destroyer
3 damaged carriers
8 submarines
6 fighters
Defensive power: 40
Remaining Hitpoints: 18

Destroyer-setup:

5 destroyers
3 damaged carriers
6 fighters
Defensive power: 40
Remaining Hitpoints: 14

Let’s speculate that both fleets suffer another 8 hits in the next round:

Sub-Setup
1 destroyer
3 damaged carriers
6 fighters
Defensive power: 32
Remaining hitpoints: 10

Destroyer setup:

6 fighters
Defensive power: 24
Remaining hitpoints: 6

I hope you see that submarines are better in every regard than destroyers. And I didn’t even mention convoy!

Well maybe there are various schools of thought, but the math doesn’t change ;-)

Subs are superior in defense as well, as long as you have fighters and carriers with them…

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Game History

Round: 6

    Purchase Units - Italians
        Italians buy 1 fighter; Remaining resources: 5 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Italians
        2 artilleries and 1 infantry moved from Western Ukraine to Ukraine

    Combat - Italians
        Battle in Ukraine
            Italians attack with 2 artilleries and 1 infantry
            Russians defend with 1 factory_minor and 1 infantry
                Italians roll dice for 2 artilleries and 1 infantry in Ukraine, round 2 : 0/3 hits, 1,00 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Ukraine, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                Italians roll dice for 2 artilleries and 1 infantry in Ukraine, round 3 : 1/3 hits, 1,00 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Ukraine, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Ukraine
            Italians win, taking Ukraine from Russians with 2 artilleries and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Italians

    Place Units - Italians
        1 fighter placed in Southern Italy

    Turn Complete - Italians
        Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 0
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 97 Sea Zone. Rolls: 4,5
        Italians collect 20 PUs; end with 25 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Italians regular : -1,00
Russians regular : -0,67

Oh wow, yeah they were. Well, consider yourself lucky the dicing happened here, where the impact wasn’t that decisive.

A specific combination is 1 in 51!

52! is about 8*10^63 if I’m not mistaken.

Just for comparison, the amount of protons (not even atoms!) in the whole planet earth is something like 10^50 or so.

I’m desperately thinking about a reason to leave the AA alive.
Keep the infantry!

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Please use this file.
You didn’t play it out properly, only changing the units. But you forgot the resources (PU).

I played out the game up until now, editing the combat results

Yes it’s probably because I had to redo the turn, because I forgot to save the file.

@MrRoboto said in L23 BM4 Pejon_88 (Allies+17) vs Roboto (Axis):

Now I got so excited about that result, I forgot to save the file…
I have to redo the rest of the combat turn and will edit everything accordingly

With “rest of the combat” I meant everything after I asked for your OOL

In the correct turn, I actually scored one hit less than in the one I saved and posted:

@MrRoboto said in L23 BM4 Pejon_88 (Allies+17) vs Roboto (Axis):

Germans roll dice for 1 battleship, 2 bombers, 4 fighters and 4 tactical_bombers in 110 Sea Zone, round 3 : 8/11 hits, 6,67 expected hits

This is consistent with the mail from Marti:
Germans roll dice for 1 battleship, 2 bombers, 4 fighters and 4 tactical_bombers in 110 Sea Zone, round 3
Your dice are: 3,4,6,2,1,4,1,4,2,5,1

Battleship: 3
2 bombers: 4 | 6
4 fighters: 2 | 1 | 4 | 1
4 tacs: 4 | 2 | 5 | 1

Those are the 8 hits.

Now why did I (or we?) only receive those 2 mails and not more? Why did I not receive the mails when I had to repeat the turn? I have no idea, MARTI has been acting wild for quite some time now. In almost every turn, there are some mails missing.

This is an extremely annoying situation, since it creates an atmosphere of distrust. One thing we can do is rolling on the forum, even though this certainly is quite inconvenient. Maybe for bigger battles like that sea battle. Would you prefer that?

That German defense was really strong, nice.

I’m quite uncertain the movement of my Japanese Fleet to a seazone without a harbour is a good idea, but every option had it’s disadvantages. Overall I hope this is the least bad option.

No, those are the only ones. I have received some from August, but that was another battle in 110. Sometimes I receive MARTI mails late, but not always.

I suggested that approach because, as Pejon already correctly stated, I still have a slight edge of two more hits than average. Considering that I give up a huge dicing in my favour (that can’t be confirmed) I thought this was fair and Pejon seems to agree.

If, however, you’d prefer the cleanest option (which is to roll the entire battle here), that’s fine with me too. That would certainly leave no sour taste in any direction. I’ll ask one more time! My next post will include dice rolls, no matter how you decide ;-)

Going forward, I agree with you Pejon - rolling every battle here is strenuous. It seems that the biggest issue seems to be battles with multiple rounds. Would you prefer rolling bigger battles here and leaving small skirmishes to MARTI?

By the way - I really do appreciate the discussion with you Pejon. You have every right to be distrustful and even angry, but you remain very polite and diplomatic. Thanks for that!

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Game History

Round: 2

    Purchase Units - Russians
        Russians buy 4 artilleries and 7 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Politics - Russians
        Russians takes Political Action: Political Action Russians To War With Italians
            Russians succeeds on action: Political Action Russians To War With Italians: Changing Relationship for Italians and Russians from Neutrality to War

    Combat Move - Russians
        1 submarine moved from 115 Sea Zone to 114 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Belarus to Baltic States
        1 infantry moved from Belarus to Baltic States
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Novgorod to Vyborg
        1 artillery and 5 infantry moved from Novgorod to Karelia
        1 fighter moved from Russia to Karelia
        1 infantry moved from Ukraine to Bessarabia
              Russians take Bessarabia from Germans

    Combat - Russians
        Battle in 114 Sea Zone
            Russians attack with 1 submarine
            Germans defend with 1 battleship, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 2 transports
                Russians roll dice for 1 submarine in 114 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 2 transports in 114 Sea Zone, round 2 : 3/3 hits, 1,50 expected hits
                1 submarine owned by the Russians lost in 114 Sea Zone
            Germans win with 1 battleship, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 2 transports remaining. Battle score for attacker is -6
            Casualties for Russians: 1 submarine
        Battle in Vyborg
            Russians attack with 1 artillery and 1 infantry
            Germans defend with 1 infantry
                Russians roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Vyborg, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Vyborg, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Vyborg
            Russians win, taking Vyborg from Germans with 1 artillery and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
        Battle in Baltic States
            Russians attack with 1 artillery and 3 infantry
            Germans defend with 2 infantry
                Russians roll dice for 1 artillery and 3 infantry in Baltic States, round 2 : 0/4 hits, 1,00 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 2 infantry in Baltic States, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 artillery and 3 infantry in Baltic States, round 3 : 1/4 hits, 1,00 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 2 infantry in Baltic States, round 3 : 1/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Baltic States
                1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Baltic States
                Russians roll dice for 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Baltic States, round 4 : 1/3 hits, 0,83 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Baltic States, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Baltic States
            Russians win, taking Baltic States from Germans with 1 artillery and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry
        Battle in Karelia
            Russians attack with 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 5 infantry
            Germans defend with 6 infantry
                Russians roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 5 infantry in Karelia, round 2 : 4/7 hits, 1,83 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 6 infantry in Karelia, round 2 : 2/6 hits, 2,00 expected hits
                2 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Karelia
                4 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Karelia
                Russians roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 3 infantry in Karelia, round 3 : 4/5 hits, 1,50 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 2 infantry in Karelia, round 3 : 0/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                2 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Karelia
            Russians win, taking Karelia from Germans with 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 3 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12
            Casualties for Russians: 2 infantry
            Casualties for Germans: 6 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Russians
        1 fighter moved from Karelia to Novgorod
        5 infantry moved from Russia to Bryansk
        1 artillery and 7 infantry moved from Western Ukraine to Bryansk
        2 artilleries moved from Ukraine to Bryansk
        1 armour, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Kazakhstan to Sikang
        2 armour and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Sikang to Szechwan
        2 aaGuns and 18 infantry moved from Sakha to Amur
        1 aaGun and 2 infantry moved from Belarus to Novgorod
        1 infantry moved from Belarus to Novgorod
        1 infantry moved from Belarus to Novgorod
        1 aaGun and 1 infantry moved from Belarus to Bryansk

    Place Units - Russians
        2 artilleries and 1 infantry placed in Novgorod
        1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Ukraine
        1 artillery and 4 infantry placed in Russia

    Turn Complete - Russians
        Russians collect 36 PUs; end with 36 PUs
        Trigger Russians 7 Great Patriotic War: Russians met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 39 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Germans regular : -0,17
Russians regular : 3,83

Just for transparency: I misclicked and sent one less Infantry into Baltic States than planned.
I stopped the game as soon as I noticed and restarted the turn.
I hope that’s fine with you. No results changed.

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I hope I did every edit correct. Please check!

Feel free to exchange the fighter losses between your nations.

Yeah we’re getting along fine :-)

I appreciate the discussion as well.

Do you accept my proposal of re-rolling the combat on the forum after the sub hits? Or do you have a counter proposal?

I guess you’re gonna save some convoy damage then ;-)

UK22 edited.tsvg

Waiting for Italy then!

I do sometimes do mock turns, but not very often. I did not do it with this Italy turn (if I recall correctly).

I did some thinking and I do have a pretty good idea of what happened. When I play lots of turns in a row without closing TripleA in between, the engine crashes.

Sometimes it freezes, sometimes it’s just super super slow (unplayable slow), sometimes it doesn’t load at all and I even have to restart my computer. In all cases, I have to shut down TripleA with the task manager.

I can show you the error the next time I encounter it. Something with “java heap” somethingsomething.

Now most of the time this error occurs when loading a map, but occasionally it happens while playing.
It never occured to me that the engine freezes but still loads and rolls the combat in background. This is what must have happened.
But why did the engine send you a mail but not me?

And yeah, I did not get the defense Mail either. Someone (I think it was even you!) mentioned in the League general discussion thread, that Yahoo Mail works better than GMail and this case seems to confirm it. I think I’m gonna create a Yahoo Mail for MARTI.