Paper and pen are allowed for tracking IPC and some people will do some math on them as well - that is perfectly legal.

Things not allowed are computers, mobile apps, calculators, spying (this hasn’t happened in a long time, but there used to be issues with members of a team walking around and watching and noting other games and what some other teams were doing), excessive stalling, using any dice that your opponent cannot also use. There are probably other things I am missing ATM.

Now - during a game sometimes you will have people allow some flexibility in the ‘rules’ but this is not required nor is uniform. An example of this might be that a team makes a buy - then goes to layout their combat - but before ANY dice are rolled, they want to change their purchase. Technically not allowed - but - if the other team is OK with it, I have seen it happen.

MM

One thing to keep in mind too would be to keep track of 3rd and 4th place finishers in all these feeder tournaments. The Masters list will need alternates - IIRC, many years at least one of the teams could not make it to GenCon and an alternate team was added.

Also, Greg will need to document the rules regarding a situation where one person on a team can make it and the other cannot. IIRC here too, that was allowed - the one member of the team could find a replacement partner. Only if BOTH team members could not come, than an alternate team was slotted.

Is that correct Greg?

MM

As much as it pains me, I agree with Questioneer - AA42 2nd Edition needs to be the Master’s game.

It will be widely available
It is a nice step up from the previous 42 (and Revised) which was always the Master’s before
It has a very clear cut victory condition - no need to add up IPCs or anything like that
It has no Tech, no NO or anything to bog it down AND…
I think it might finally allow for a serious Pacific war - assuming that we can get more than 5-6 rounds in

I also think that we can use some of the winners and runners-up for various tournaments - but I think AA50 can and should be a way to populate the masters group. People who win AA50 are very good players in their own right. I would even say that somehow get some G50 people in there, but the problem is making sure that a tournament had enough people entered in it to make it worthwhile.

MM

I’m ready when you are then!

MM

Interesting ideas all - but - keep in mind as well, that the last thing we want to do is make the working of the clocks complicated or open to questions. It needs to be clean, easy and brainless how to work them - IMHO…

MM

You stay out of it - LOL

Seriously, though, if you’d like another game, Gargantua - I’d be up for it…

MM

Back on the topic of clocks - I think, for starters (subject to review and play-testing)…this is for AA50…

1. 6 Hour game - evenly split 3/3 between Axis and Allies
2. The game should still have a minimum number of rounds expected to be played using a reasonable average - might be 7 rounds, 8 - whatever is reasonable.
3. If you run out of time completely before the minimum number of rounds - you DO lose.
4. Each side would need maybe 15 minutes of extended time (kinda like Soccer does it) whereby if you have used up your 3 hours, but have completed the minimum number of rounds, it will give you a chance to get to the end of the CURRENT round.
5. If at the end of the round (assuming you passed the minimum number) one side has run out of time, the game ends at that point. Standard VC apply - but I like the idea of the team that ran out of time losing the VC tie-breaker.

I think it is important to have a minimum number of rounds in there and only if you run out of time before that you automatically lose.

MM

I’ll take the Allies - no problem. Just be gentle - LOL

Will you start a thread or shall I? I assume we are using TripleA version 1.5.2.1 (or whatever the current stable version is?)

Thanks - I look forward to playing!

MM

@questioneer:

@squirecam:

@questioneer:

The chess clock idea CAN be done.�� I can type up a full description and help with procedures but its Greg Smorey that you have to convince and that is a difficult task.�� He and the players at GenCon are too set in their ways.��

This is the point where Greg will get sensitive and offended and fires back lame reasons for these decisions.

You had an idea that wasnt accepted. Stop crying about it. If you actually want a chance to see it implemented, stop with the personal attacks and insults.

Get over it already dude…

Squirecam,

I’m not crying at all.  Frankly, I could care less.  I’ve been down this road long ago.  I’ve accepted the fact that these changes won’t happen.  It would be nice to have better changes, but hey, I’m just fine playing quality tournaments at AA.org.
I’m just joining the conversation with chess clocks and sharing ideas.

Didn’t I challenge you to a game here at AA.org and you chickened???

Also, MM just quit against Garg…lol :lol:- and that’s the best GenCon’s got??? :roll:

I suppose you also believe, as does Smorey, that all the online AA players “brainwashed” Larry during the Alpha project???

Do you have anything else smart to say Squirecam??? :?

BTW- let’s just stick to the topic…back to chess clocks.

One of the main problems with internet communication is that it can be very difficult to determine if a person is being sarcastic and if so, to what degree. While cute icons can help in that determination to some extent, they are far from perfect.

So - I use that as a preference, because I a) have seen similar posts from you and b) I see nothing in the icons you did use to indicate that you were trying to be sarcastic. Questioneer - you can kiss my you know what, you jerk. Perhaps if you had more of the facts of what you were talking about you would make yourself look less like a jerk from time to time.

Yes, I played Garg in a G40 game - just for fun as he knew that I have played that version exactly ONE time and that was back before Alpha anything. I surrendered when, due to my missing one line of text about the political rules, the US took over an undefended Japan. It was undefended because I did not realize the US could attack on that turn. So - yup, I lost Japan, and losing that capital probably meant I wasn’t going to be able to get back into the game. Of course, what you fail to mention is that I suggested to him that (since it was just a game for fun) I change my Japan purchases (not attacks, movements, etc) to defend Japan and we move forward - he declined. Certainly within his right and he also suggested we start a new game.

I just know that the ‘guys from GenCon’, when presented with a similar situation would have either a) pointed out that if I did attack with Japan on the UK that the US could attack me or b) they would have let me change the purchases so that we could continue with what was otherwise an interesting start to the game (his own words). Again - I have no ill will towards him for declining - I understand that not everyone likes to do that. But, my point is that the ‘guys from GenCon’ would have (and, in fact, HAVE) done this sort of thing before.

To somehow imply that because I lost a game I’ve played 1 time due to an error such as this represents ‘this is the best GenCon’s got’ is a personal attack, IMHO. I am far from the best A&A player in the world (I happen to have several good friends that I consider better than me), but I also consider myself to be a very skilled and expereinced player. Obviously, if I have played G40 as much as you or anyone else on this board has, that sort of mistake would not occur. In fact, I am getting ready to start another game - lesson learned.

I invite you to play me or any of  the ‘GenCon guys’ in a game of AA50 using the rules we have, and while no victory is guaranteed, I promise you that you would find a challenging and interesting game on your hands.

So - before you start making insulting comments about the level of play from people you have never played and apply that comment to ALL players even though I was the one who lost - you might at least consider having all the facts before you open your big fat mouth.

Maybe not so respectively,
MM

Axistiger13 - I’d be up for a game - I am an A&A vet, but pretty new to the Global game. If that is fine by you, let’s play!

MM

Shin Ji

I would be up to playing as well - while I can post turns each day and maybe multiple - I am new to the G40 game overall. Played way too much AA50 and other versions and I am dipping my toe into G40. But, if you are interested, let me know!

MM

Scarapis - you really need to stop comparing Magic to A&A - they are two entirely different games and gaming systems, as BB has pointed out. WIth that logic, I can compare Monopoly and Rise and Decline of the Third Reich and try to put the same constraints on both games….

People stalling and messing around is always a possibility - but - in the many years (6+ now) that I have either played or ran Greg’s tournaments we have very rarely ever had problems. If someone is stalling or playing excessively slow, they get warned. If they continue - they forfeit. I am not sure how many years it has been since that happened.

And you need to read my posts a bit closer - I said I would be willing to give it a try and, in fact,
I think in a Masters or ‘expert’ tournament it could work. It will NEVER work, IMHO, for a tournament designed to attract as many people as possible. As BB also stated - that is the goal for Greg and for WotC for the A&A line of games.

MM

I need someone to explain a bit better how this chess clock idea will work.

Let’s say the tournament round is set for 6 hours (which is what AA50 games are set to currently). This would then mean each team has 3 hours of time? In the middle of round 6, Italy is up and opps - the Axis run out of time - they automatically lose?

If this is correct, then I guess that means we want to have NO new people play the game. Not even people who have played but are not true ‘experts’. The only situation I could see possibly thinking about using this idea would be in a Masters type tournament. That would be it. Otherwise, you will kill any non-hardcore player from ever even attempting a tournament game. For the Masters, it might work.

I’d be willing to give it a try - just to see how it goes - but I cannot see how this helps grow the number of people who would want to play in a tournament.

MM

Quote from: Gargantua on July 20, 2012, 08:27:01 pm

Well here’s one for the records folks.

GLOBAL 1940 ALPHA 3.9+ via TRIPLE-A
Gen con (MiamiUmike) -VS- AA.org (Gargantua)

http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=27887.45

Gen Con surrenders US #2

Now, now - let’s be clear on this. You are playing someone who has played this game once with the original OOB rules and zero times under Alpha +3. You are playing someone who missed one key line out of about 30 pages of rules. And, if I recall, given that this was supposed to be a friendly game - you turned down a chance to continue the game by simply allowing me to make a different purchase to put units on Japan and pick up from there….You must not have been too sure of yourself to not want to continue… �

So - just keep that in mind before you crow about your victory too much - �

Regards,
MM

Good Idea!

Remember, Germany has 41 and UK 31 to spend actually - though that may not change what your ideas are….

Quote from: Gargantua on July 20, 2012, 08:27:01 pm

Well here’s one for the records folks.

GLOBAL 1940 ALPHA 3.9+ via TRIPLE-A
Gen con (MiamiUmike) -VS- AA.org (Gargantua)

http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=27887.45

Gen Con surrenders US #2

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Now, now - let’s be clear on this. You are playing someone who has played this game once with the original OOB rules and zero times under Alpha +3. You are playing someone who missed one key line out of about 30 pages of rules. And, if I recall, given that this was supposed to be a friendly game - you turned down a chance to continue the game by simply allowing me to make a different purchase to put units on Japan and pick up from there….You must not have been too sure of yourself to not want to continue… �

So - just keep that in mind before you crow about your victory too much - �

Regards,
MM

PS - it still was fun to try…LOL

@Gargantua:

Well here’s one for the records folks.

GLOBAL 1940 ALPHA 3.9+ via TRIPLE-A
Gen con (MiamiUmike) -VS- AA.org (Gargantua)

http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=27887.45

Gen Con surrenders US #2

Now, now - let’s be clear on this. You are playing someone who has played this game once with the original OOB rules and zero times under Alpha +3. You are playing someone who missed one key line out of about 30 pages of rules. And, if I recall, given that this was supposed to be a friendly game - you turned down a chance to continue the game by simply allowing me to make a different purchase to put units on Japan and pick up from there….You must not have been too sure of yourself to not want to continue…  :evil:

So - just keep that in mind before you crow about your victory too much -  :-D

Regards,
MM

PS - it still was fun to try…LOL

Of course, if you are interested in continuing the game - I can change my purchase from the 2 subs, dd to be something more defensive - but that is up to you - I understand either way. I won’t make this mistake in my next game I suppose :)

MM

No thanks - no need. Even if I were to somehow be ‘successful’ in that regard, that certainly doesn’t mean anything.

MM