Posts made by Mary

I’d think of it in terms where you are “falling” into the black hole, you are not at a standstill (even on a surface like the floor you are standing on, we are still “falling” towards the center of the earth.  Its just that the surface provides an equal force in the opposite direction which counteracts this fall).

Yes, it’s being in a gravity well. And I realize that you “fall” into a black hole as well and that the gravity well in a black hole is too steep for light to escape from.

Therefore, you must first attain a speed greater than the rate at which you are “falling” before you can make any progress towards the event horizonÂ

This is what I have a problem with. Certainly the speed of “descent” into Earth’s gravity well is greater than 1 m.p.h., yet I can get out of the gravity well by going 1 m.p.h if I do it long enough (straight up, for 300 hours).

Another way to look at it is in terms of the energy required and convert this energy to velocity.  By the time you climb out of earths gravity well at 10 mph, you have used the same amount of energy as if you had started at escape velocity.

This seems right. Lets assume the energy of accelerating to 17,000 mph is the same as the energy required to go 10 mph for 50 or so hours.

In the case of a black hole, you would need the equivalent energy as if you started faster than the speed of light (which you won’t have)

So it goes back to infinite energy. But there’s not infinite gravity! Let’s say we’re in the gravity well of an object that requires an escape velocity of C-1 (speed of light -1). Given enough time and energy, we can escape the gravity well going at a very slow speed. And it woudn’t require anything close to infinite energy (or would it? I wouldn’t think so…). However, you are saying that once escape veolicty reaches C, there is no going back out. It doesn’t seem logical that a one mile per second difference is going to require an infinite amount of energy.

lol, I forgot Falk was into physics.

Falk, I still don’t get it. I don’t need to go 17,000 MPH to get away from Earth, correct? Why do I need to go faster than the speed of light to escape a black hole? Like you said, escape velocity is just the speed at which additional acceleration is not required. There are other ways of getting out of a gravity well than sheer speed alone. If I had enough energy, what’s to stop me from slowly but surely getting out of a black hole? Is the gravity so intense that it would take an infinite amount of energy? But that doesn’t seem right. It seems the intensity of gravity in a black hole would not be infinite, just so large that it happens to be above the speed of light.

Anyone here knowledgeable about physics? I had a brainstorm in the shower and there aren’t a lot of active physics message boards out there, lol. Here’s my problem:

You don’t necessarily need to reach escape velocity to escape the gravitational field of an object (e.g., the Earth). For example, if a ship were designed to go 10 M.P.H. straight up for 100 hours, it would escape earth’s gravity at a very low speed, much like a person climbing a 200 mile-high ladder. Now then, If the escape velocity of a black hole is not infinite, but simply higher than the speed of light, would it be possible to escape from a black hole provided your ship was strong enough to avoid being torn apart? In essence, could you dip in below the event horizon, turn the thrusters on, and slowly claw your way back out? If you can escape from a planet at below escape-velocity speeds, why not a black hole as well?

If that sounds cut-and-pasted it is! I found one message board that was active in the last week. But maybe someone here knows something, or someone?

About Nerf Gun wars…

http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic

Sherman I think.

My favorite: “Virtue in the middle,” said the Devil, as he stood between two lawyers.
Runner-up: Praise the lord, and pass the ammo.
Honorable Mention: “Either the wall-paper goes or I go” (last words of Oscar Wilde)

The Koreans have a great word (learned it from my son’s Tae Kwon Do class).

Yendo: Peace and love. More Yendo, less bombings.

I resolve to drink less. It’s becoming a problem. I’m half in the bag right now. Going through a rough time, psychologically (depersonalization, if anyone cares, lol). I propose a new saint: Saint Peter Vella! (for those not in the know, Peter Vella makes farily decent boxed wine).

Edit: I like IL’s resolutions. Good luck with them!
Further Edit: Sheesh, what a sad resolution.

Dear me, I live close to Imperious Leader!

@Zooey72:

@cystic:

Ironically Mary is not a Christian (AFAIR) - nor am i using the gospel as a support against the death penalty, but rather to shoot down Christian arguments for it.

Than why the spiel about "who would jesus execute?"  Even if she isn’t Christian, she still shouldn’t take what she wants out of the Gospel and leave the rest and try to claim some moral authority by saying her opinion is backed by christ.

I have read “Mein Kamph” (for college).  If you pick and choose (edit heavily) sentences from it a picture can be painted of Hitler only being very patriotic and looking out for the best interests of the German people.  The truth is far from that, but if do to “Mein Kamph” what Christians and others do to the Bible than you can twist it to say just about anything.

The bible contradicts, the Gospel does not.  Chirst is very constant in his message.

Yes, Christ is very consistent: love thy neighbor, forgive thy enemy, turn the other cheek. I don’t see support for the death penalty in any of Christ’s teachings.

@Zooey72:

@Mary:

Who would Jesus execute?

Oh, and mary.  This just occured to me.  “Give to Rome what is Rome’s, give to God what is God’s”.

This pretty much says that Christians shouldn’t interfere in government.  So I am guessing that Jesus would not stop capital punishment, esp. since that is the way he “saved” all of us.

No, that passage has to do with taxes. If govt. wants you to do something heinous (e.g., round up jews to be liquidated), you’re supposed to non-violently protest (e.g., hide jews, passive protest, etc.) You can try to argue that Jesus would be out there blowing the whistle on some Jews hiding in an attic in W.W. II, but I don’t think you’ll get too far with that.

@Zooey72:

@Mary:

Who would Jesus execute?

Who would jesus have not follow him?  Are you penniless and have no home depending only on God for survival?

So knock off the Jesus crap, people only use him as a refrence when it suits their argument.  They should focus that energy and take the plank out of their own eye.  If you don’t know what that means, I suggest you read the gospel.

if we’re quoting, let’s do the whole thing: “And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and; behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.””

How is talking about Jesus’s message of non-violence being hypocritical? Where have I advocated violence or killing people on this messageboard?

no true christian would support the death penalty. that said, no true christian would do a lot of things that many “christians” do on a regular basis. ive yet to encounter a “true” christian, in every sense of the faith. that doesnt mean they are bad, they simply have modified beliefs, which is fine. they just shouldnt profess to follow christs teachings to the letter.

But if someone considers themselves a Christian, they “should” oppose the death penalty. If they support it, they must recognize they are not following Jesus’s teachings, and should try to change their own mind.

@Imperious:

Question for Mary…or others

Is their any point in your philosophy where if the murderer of many eventually deserves death?

I hate to use the Hitler example but hes dreadful enough for this purpose

would he be put to death under any circumstances? huh?

You can only carry this Christian thing so far, after a point its utility as a guidline for behavior requires too many unnatural changes.
we cant just keep up a stiff upper lip in the face of the pure evil allowing it in our presence.

Jesus would NEVER advocate killing a person, no matter what their crime. “No sin is so great that it cannot be forgiven”. The New Testament is almost exclusively about forgiving people and non-violence.

And no, I’m not a Christian. But Jesus’s teachings were profound at the time.

@Wargaming_nut:

Why are you trying to justify this? There is no way a Christian can support the death penalty without completely disregarding Jesus’ teachings.

Jesus also said he came to fulfill the law, and the law clearly states that a murderer is to be killed.

Fry the bastard.

Jesus came to transcend the old Mosaic law. And if you want to go by Mosaic Codes, should we still be stoning adulterous women? Should slaves still obey their masters?

@Linkon:

@Mary:

Who would Jesus execute?

Jesus would tell individual sinners to “sin no more” and they would obey.

A governor or president has the power to pardon, but not the power of Jesus to enable a life of redeeming action by any sinner, let alone one of a mass murder scale.

Sure he has done some good since going into prison.
I have volunteered to put roofing and siding on houses.  I can also write some books.  But I still had to pay for my parking tickets.  My volunteering was before and after getting the tickets.

Of course, a miracles can still happen, and this guy could exhibit some immunity to whatever poison they will inject.

Why are you trying to justify this? There is no way a Christian can support the death penalty without completely disregarding Jesus’ teachings.

Who would Jesus execute?

SUD’s called this one: China is not going to upset the status quo risking a confrontation over Taiwan. They are clearly going to be the dominant economic power in the world in the next several decades. Let the U.S. sink into debt over its trillion dollar obligations to medicare, S.S., and a bloody and expensive occupation.

However, I CAN see a conflict arising between America and China, but I think it would be fought entirely over cyberspace. What is the difference between dropping a bomb on CitiBanks’s headquarters vs. employing an army of hackers to wipe the databases? I woulnd’t be surprised if China is training an elite hacker corps for just that eventuality. We would be crippled if our networks were shut down. But since China is a huge trading parter of ours, and will continue to be so, I don’t see this happening.

Met my significant other on AOL. Been married 7 years now.

Like NCS pointed out, we have a sliding scale of defense now:
Martial arts<–---------------------------------------------------->ICBMS

Where do we draw the line on what’s legal? We certainly won’t allow people to legally own tactical nukes, but we can’t restrict it to just a closed fist.

Personally, small-arms should be enough to make the King of England think twice.

I understand what you’re saying, SUD, but what struck me as odd was you would have no sympathy for a man falsely accused of rape (after enaging in consensual casual sex). That would be a horrible thing. Just as horrible as a man robbed of his life savings because he withdrew it from an ATM and was counting it on the street. Both actions display a lack of common sense, but neither person deserves to be victimized over it.

By saying you had no sympathy, I took that to mean you thought the man was just as guility as the woman who made the false accusations.