if you are going to sea lion, then you already have a navy full of transports and some protection, yes?
5 IPC spent gives you a 1/6 shot at getting a tech token, and then you have a 1/6 shot at getting paratroopers. I’d spend 7IPCs on a sure thing v. 5IPCs on a 1/36 chance.
or are you suggesting that you will sea lion w/only paratroopers?
stop reading into things on the internet. wasn’t being testy, merely proposing a counter-point to yours.
@paratroopers for sea lion
you realize that for the cost of researching paratroopers you could just buy a transport? and it doesn’t have a 1/6 shot of being AA’d.
Tell you what internet tough guy, you win a Super Bowl, 3 NFL MVPs and earn 100s of millions of dollars and I’ll make a game as good as LH’s. Oh? you can’t play in the NFL? But you can still have an opinion about a player in it? Funny, you said I can’t say these games are garbage and LH has lost his touch according to your rules unless I myself can do better…
Pay 350 for a game that actually works? You got it. Some of us aren’t using our allowances here. Paid $100 for AA50, $160+ for these 2 games, silly me for expecting MORE from G40 (touted as the MOSTUS EXPECKUS GAMEZ OF 4X!S n 4||i3Z EVUR! by all the fanboys).
to anyone who said P40 is good/great, have you ever seen what AA50 looked like? And it was only $100. For $160-200 total (depending on where you get it, what tax is in your city) they came up far short.
Would love to see sales figures for P40/E40/G40. If 600 copies were sold, then you are completely right. There is no need for the game to be good to go out of the box. AA is a small, niche market, 90% of which reads these forums.
But if in some crazy attempt to actually turn a profit WOTC was trying to produce a game for more than those of us who read these forums…
EPIC FAIL.
Setups and rules that the majority of AA players will not know about.
First, I don’t appreciate being called names. I just have a different perspective than you.
Second, your beloved A&A Classic was a “messed up game” out of the box by the criteria you’re using to judge these recent games. Allies should win every time after you figure out how to play. So why not rip on Classic?
P40’s a good game OOB. If you don’t like it, change the rules and make your own house rule. Apparently you need to be spoonfed with a perfect game that you don’t have to tweak in any way whatsoever. There are great games called “Chess” and “Monopoly” that need no tweaking whatsoever. If you don’t like it (1940 games), fine. You’ve said your piece.
Next!
Once again you miss the point. FOR 90$ YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE TO CHANGE THE RULES OF A GAME OUT OF THE BOX TO MAKE IT PLAYABLE.
J1 / J3IC actually MAKE pac40 very much like the chess you tell me to go play.
Next time you go to buy a car, drop 20,000 and tell them you don’t need the body, you’ll tweak some cardboard into one.
Tech is fun. That’s the point. Like playing the lottery. And I recall it is an OPTIONAL rule?
once again an example of a fanboy defending the gods rather than seeing that the MAJORITY of people who buy these games will not get their hands on extra tac bombers, updated rules/setups.
the game was not released as final. we paid for a beta. LH may have been creative in the 80s, but it’s 2010. Even Brett Favre needs to hang it up eventually.
the money we spent on the 2 games is not a drop in the bucket. If it is for you, feel free to contact me for my paypal info and you can buy me out, and I’ll shut up about the subject. You guys can come up w/all the optional setups and house rules you want to make the game balanced. Setups and rules that the majority of AA players will not know about.
the game is not broken with Sealion. Larry himself said that he built it into the game–you guys are chasing a ghost. There is absolutely zero assurance that taking over the UK gives the Axis an auto-win. Go ahead and build eleven transports for two turns and watch Stalin smile. Puny Italy has no chance agains the US in Africa. There is still enough material in Africa to check the dagos before the US butts in. Russia will become the historical colossus. This is all just “mental masturbation”–who Can-Try-To-Find-A-Flaw and run apeshit with it.
to be fair there IS a precedent in this franchise of there being such a flaw…. :)
EXACTLY! you pay $180 for these games, it should be FINAL, not BETA!
It’s like buying Madden 11 and having EA tell you, ok, there are no passing plays yet, we’ll get them to you in 6 months…maybe…if enough people cry.
So, those of us who have global have spent ~$180 to become playtesters? Super.
These snafus have soured many people I know to the AA franchise. I know people who did not buy E40 after feeling cheated on P40. People who have played AA for 20 years. There are also people out there who are playing an unbalanced P40 who have no idea about the setup changes, or would even think to contact a manufacturer for an updated rulebook and missing pieces (when all the pieces in the rulebook shipped with the game are present) and are being turned off to buying another AA game (Like many who bought DDAY/GUADAL felt).
As for turning our gripes into grapes that will make the sweet wine of AA to wash away all our whine…that’s hard to do with all the LH fanboys out there defending their demigod as if he can never be wrong. Pac40? Bad. Blame Hasbro/WOTC or whoever. Point is, it should not take 6 months to fix Pac40. These games should be BALANCED AS STAND ALONE GAMES. They are not.
3 Transports, attack on J1, crack a beer and laugh menacingly while the guy across from me flips out about how unbalanced the game is.
no offense son, but I saw from another thread you still live with your parents. when you’re not wet behind the ears I’ll take what you have to say seriously.
Bessarabia. BORDER. SMALL. DONE.
Big deal. it’s worth 0 so usually no units will go there. Besides, I fit a stack of inf, art, mech, tanks, and 3 planes in there
Wow. No units go there. Ok. Don’t take this the wrong way but I am serious when I say I am no longer responding to anything you say on this subject.
Krieg: I want you know that I consider you a fountain of valuable information, and I am grateful for your dedication to this game.
I’m sure you can’t answer this for whatever NDA linked reason, but I would like to know if playtesters were allowed to look at the map for hours or days BEFORE being locked in a room and told “PLAY!”
Bessarabia. BORDER. SMALL. DONE.
Generous to fix a mistake…
This is why our economy is failing.
by definition playtesting SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED BEFORE WOTC GOT MY $180.
I PAID TO BE IN A BETA? AWESOME.
Done arguing. I’ll sit back for a month and watch everyone realize the games aren’t balanced.
