Posts made by Linkler

@delaja Any thoughts on this? Also I like your nebelwefer/katushka idea but we need units for each team to implement that right m?
Here’s where I’m at with this now:

Vengeance Weapon Expansion (or amendment to present rules)

V-1
Requires Strategic Rockets
Cost $1 IPP
Vehicle Class
Range 2
Moves by rail/ naval transport

Can build 1 rocket (of either kind) per factory at factory location per turn.

Can be targeted by tactical bombers for 1 round ignoring all other land units present with no defence roll (unless AA and/or fighters present to intercept)

Can be transported/launched from submarines (req. advanced submarine technology)

Can be transported/launched from medium, strategic and heavy bombers

Procedure:

1. Attacker selects land zone and facility (if applicable) to target
2. V-1 is subject to AA fire (if present) and fighter interception
   (Not early war fighters) if fighter interceptor rolls a “12” rocket and fighter are immediately destroyed
3. If Rocket survives attacker rolls a D6
   “1, 2, 3,”  hits land zone defender immediately loses that amount of IPPs (cannot lose more that land zone IPP value per zone per calendar turn)
   “4,5” miss (no effect)
   “6” hit, roll defender facility AA (if applicable) if rocket survives roll D6 again for damage

V- 2

Same as V-1 except:
Also req. Advanced Construction
Cost $2
Moves 1
Cannot be intercepted or shot down by AA

Any thoughts/ideas/questions ?

@linkler

I’d propose V-1s are $1 IPP req strat rockets

V-2s $2 IPP req strat rockets/ and maybe improved construction instead of jet power? It does apply to more than just ships after all

Can build 1 of either per turn per major factory at major factory location.

Can be targeted by tactical bombers for 1 round ignoring all other land units present with no defence roll (unless AA and or fighters present to intercept)

@delaja

What about using rockets to target land zone ipps? It would be more realistic historically (I think) and something different as well. Since we can already bomb facilities with bombers and also the rockets of the day weren’t really able to target specific buildings or what have you- even carpet bombing units seams unlikely given the run-out-of-fuel-aiming system that they had.

If the rockets were cheap enough you could use them to target London for example for a max of 3 IPPs per calendar turn -

Possible +1 modifier to D6 roll for city zones?
Something like
“4 or 5 rolled (miss) no effect
“if 6 rolled (D6) defender applies damage to facility of his/her choice in zone being attacked”

V1s subject to AA and fighter interceptions

V2 being mobile and more expensive but with no way to shoot down

Any thoughts?

@david-06
Hey thanks for collaborating with me on this!
The level 2 techs thing you said makes sense for like historical reasons I see that just I’m not sure about it for playability reasons because every time we play the Germans have those techs to level 2 by 1939 for sure and it’s pretty early for rockets to start showing up…

The Allies did strategically bomb the rocket sites in WW2 from what ive read unless I’m mistaken about that, pretty sure though

I didn’t know that the Germans launched the v-2 s off airfields I though they just fired them from out in the bush kind of thing… did they use airfields to launch the v-1s as well? Just thinking we could add a modifier or extra range if launched from an airfield or something

@linkler
V - 2
Vehicle class
Single use
Req. strategic rockets tech and jet fighters
Cost $2
Range 4
Attack 1 D6 vs/ land zone IPP value +1 modifier
Carpet bomb 1 D12 @ 3
Moves 1
Cannot be intercepted
Can be strategically bombed
destroyed if more than 3 damage
No inherent AA

@linkler how about this:
V - 1 rocket
Vehicle class
Single use
Req. strategic rockets tech
Cost $1
Range 3
Attack 1 D6 vs/ land zone IPP value
Carpet bomb 1 D12 @ 2
Moves via rail/ naval transport only
Can be intercepted/ shot down by AA
Can be strategically bombed destroyed after 2 points of damage no inherent AA

@linkler
Maybe they should be able to attack zone IPPs the same way subs attack convoys

@david-06
Good point - also just reading up on it apparently they were very expensive to build and I gather much more devastating than the v1s … somethings yet to consider there i see

@linkler
V - 2
Vehicle class
Single use
Req. strategic rockets tech and jet fighters
Cost $2
Range 3
Attack 1 D6 vs/ facilties
Carpet bomb 1 D12 @ 2
Moves 1
Can be intercepted only by jet fighters

Optional rule: Limit 2 per turn

@david-06
V - 1 rocket
Vehicle class
Single use
Req. strategic rockets tech
Cost $2
Range 3
Attack 1 D6 vs/ facilties
Carpet bomb 1 D12 @ 2
Moves via rail/ naval transport only
Can be intercepted/ shot down by AA

@insanehoshi woah that is cool! even if you were still using a table it would be nice cause the pieces wouldnt fall over
@Trig not saying a colourless map ala siredblood guy more like the colour of the land zones reflecting type of terrain your ski- troop zones could be snow- coloured graphics and trees kind of thing you know etc maybe keep the nations colour outlining the original - owned land zones I get it’s kind of a personal preference thing
Speaking of trees couldn’t there be forest terrain along with the jungle? Like to see the Ardennes on there along with some of the Russian forest I’m sure that’s coming eventually anyway maybe not as soon as v4 but would be fun I think

@insanehoshi Ok I’ve had a few more thoughts on this subject:

• Why do we need colours on the map at all? Everything is marked with roundels already
• on magnetizing the board if you are gluing magnets to your pieces anyway couldn’t you put the map on a piece of sheet metal or custom sized white board?
  -A narrow crossing from karalja to Estonia would acomplish the thing I mentioned earlier where if the USSR took karalja they could hide their Baltic fleet behind coastal guns built in karalja or Estonia
  -@Ghetty s visual reference sheets for the different nations should come stock with the map- if he’d agree to that -or something along the lines of what he made- they are really good and if you are trying to play this game with new players almost a must

@hbg-gw-enthusiast

Good Ideas! Just for the record the game as it stands is great really appreciate all the hard work from the guys at HBG

• I wonder if Russia could be scaled down and China and Europe scaled up or skewed for more room in those areas
  -I think I would be cool to see a map with like the satellite image sort of deal like axis and and allies global with opacity where you can see the terrain and cities through the colour of the land zone - that’s probably a tall order I know
• really like the reef/ocean terrain idea
• would like to see in KaraIja I think it’s called the gulf of Finland that island where Stalin was going to set up forts and coastal guns so the Germans couldn’t get in to sink his fleet by Leningrad be playable somehow- (maybe a blow-up box) -Ive read historically Stalin’s main motivation for invading the area was to set up defenses there to protect his Baltic fleet

@ghetty We don’t have the elite fighter expansion yet but it looks like a good one! I might try to make some thanks for the info

@ghetty nice job! Thanks for making these! Have you thought about making some for the expansions so like for Canada and turkey and maybe finland?