Posts made by Lazarus

@GoSanchez6:

There is proof watch A bridge too far or Patton for that matter.

Really?
Is that what you call  proof?

see

http://www.hoover.org/publications/policy-review/article/106656

@GoSanchez6:

If Patton was such a horrible general why did the Germans fear him so much?

There is no proof they feared him.

@GoSanchez6:

I would vote for Monty only because every battle he had a huge numerical advantage and casualties were rather high.

Monty’s casualties were not ‘high’ and name me 1 Allied General who did not have a huge numerical advantage.

@texasranger97:

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Also Market Garden was a big fail and was a really dumb plan. It diverted/wasted a lot of resources. Plus it slowed Patton’s advance into Germany. Allies could afford loss of material but not the main thing this operation wasted.

Patton failed/stalled  completely at Metz and it showed that when the Germans turned and fought he was not as good as he thought he was.

@Imperious:

Yes definitely Monty. What a joke. The guy needed like 4:1 in every battle and lots of time to make his plan work. He should be tied with Herman Goering for joke leader.

Perhaps you can give me the force ratio for say COBRA?

The  irrational  obsession with denigrating Monty is indeed a great puzzles

I have never seen a forum make so much of a song and dance about one person  announcing  he is ‘leaving’!
Does this forum revolve around Kurt?
For the record several of my posts (made in reply to Kurt’s revisionism) were instantly placed in ‘moderation’ and then simply disappeared. They never even  got  on the forum.  I did not cry,  have a hissy fit  or report anyone.  Nor did I complain about it.

I reworked the offending examples and they were accepted.
Kurt should try the same tactic instead of spamming every thread in pursuit of  his desire to rehabilitate the Nazis.
The rules are there and if you don’t like them or think they only apply to other posters then the solution is to start your own board.
Until that time shape up or ship out!

I give the Mods here complete freedom to post my deletion history and tell the other posters if I have ever complained or tried to have Kurt censored.  I hope that is enough to satisfy the conspiracy theorists.

@KurtGodel7:

Your main “contribution” with your post seems to be the implication that Germany should be blamed for preventing starvation and malnutrition among its own people, and for maintaining the food reserves necessary to survive a Northern European winter. Once again, you are wasting everyone’s time.

Nothing could better illustrate your complete lack of credibility than the above.
For your information any country who invades another has a legal duty to make sure the  captured citizens have adequate food supplies.
It also shows how you continue to distort the reality I posted .
In 1941  when millions of Soviet POW’s were starving and the local population offered to provoide food (because there was no shortage) the camp commanders refused the help and deliberately and criminaly allowed the prisoners to starve.
Your excuses are pathetic and don’t even make sense.

So your defence is to attack the author?
I have to smile when I see your  usual tactic of  repasting whole pages of Wiki and believing it is a credible source!

I note you  ignore the official German document that clearly says:

the native population within the Soviet Union are absolutely willing to put food at the disposal of the prisoners of war. Several understanding camp commanders have successfully chosen this course. However in the majority of the cases, the camp commanders have forbidden the civilian population to put food at the disposal of the prisoners, and they have rather let them starve to death……

Perhaps you should continue to scour Wiki in the hope it might provide you with an answer ?

From:
Christian Gerlach, Kalkulierte Morde, Die deutsche Wirtschafts- und Vernichtungspolitik in Weißrußland 1941-1944
(Calculated murders The German economic and political destruction in Belarus 1941-1944)

http://www.perlentaucher.de/buch/christian-gerlach/kalkulierte-morde.html

According to the reports and eyewitness testimonials the murders on marches and transports increased in a well nigh incredible manner in the autumn and winter of 1941. This was especially obvious in the city of Minsk. After a transport in January 1942 alone 1,000 to 2,000 corpses of prisoners are said to have lain in the Minsk main street Sovietskaja. That 80 out of 8,000 men were shot between Masjukovshtchina and the Minsk freight train station was nothing unusual. For instance, German soldiers of Home Infantry Battalion 332 indicted by the Soviets stated that once on 3 October 1941 31 men and once in November 200 men, at other times between 100 and 500 men, had been murdered especially on the way to the secondary camp at the Pushkin barracks in the northeast of Minsk. And this happened on a relatively short trip – on overland marches in Belorussia things were no different, only harder to document. During a march of 3,000 Soviet prisoners of war from Bobruisk in the direction of Sluzk on 7 November 1941, according to a witness who went after the column in a horse cart and counted the bodies, 729 men were shot – then the march was cancelled, and the column had to turn back. Whether in Minsk alone a total of 5,000 or 20,000 prisoners were shot in such actions, as becomes apparent from various eyewitness testimonials, can no longer be clarified.

See below where food was available for Soviet POW’s and it was refused and the prisoners allowed to die.

Reich Ministry for the occupied Eastern territories report on Prisoners of War dated 28 Feb 1942,

_**with a certain amount of understanding for goals aimed at by German politics, dying and deterioration could have been avoided in the extent described. For instance, according to information on hand, the native population within the Soviet Union are absolutely willing to put food at the disposal of the prisoners of war. Several understanding camp commanders have successfully chosen this course. However in the majority of the cases, the camp commanders have forbidden the civilian population to put food at the disposal of the prisoners, and they have rather let them starve to death……

Finally, the shooting of prisoners of war must be mentioned ; these were partly carried out according to viewpoints which ignore all political understanding. For instance, in various camps, all the “Asiatics” were shot, although the inhabitants of the areas, considered belonging to Asia, of Transcaucasia and Turkestan especially, are among those people in the Soviet Union who are most strongly opposed to Russian subjugation and to Bolshevism. The Reich ministry of the occupied Eastern territories has repeatedly emphasized these abuses. However, in November for instance, a detail [Kommando] appeared in a prisoner of war camp in Nikolajew, which wanted to liquidate all Asiatics……

 **_

One only need to look at the way the Germans allowed food into Leningrad during the seige or how they fed the starving  civilians in the Warsaw Ghetto to confirm that they would never let anyone starve if they could help it……

@Bunnies:

Lazarus, you’re going to ignore any evidence that contradicts your opinion, so what’s the point in pretending to have a discussion?

So you duck the issue-as expected.

Yes in the Kingdom of the one eyed all the actions of Hitler are excusable.
You should read up  more on the experience  Allied troops crossing from Holland into Germany when pursuing fleeing Germans. They  were amazed at the contrast between the food available once the border was crossed.
The Germans were found to have meat and preserved food in abundance whilst the rest of Europe was strictly rationed.
Simply put they had looted the whole of the continent to make sure their own population was well fed and they cared nothing that  everyone else starved.
One can picture poor Adolf weeping at the news Soviet POW’s were dying. He was probably as shocked at this news as he was to learn someone had been murdering the Jews without his authority!
An unreconstructed Nazi apologist is always going to try and find ways to shift the blame. Unfortunately outside of Stormfront he is peeing into the wind.

@Bunnies:

Show me this evidence that contradicts……

Lazarus, you’re going to ignore any evidence that contradicts your opinion, so what’s the point in pretending to have a discussion?

So you duck the issue-as expected.

Bye.

@Bunnies:

Lazarus, you’re going to ignore any evidence that contradicts your opinion, so what’s the point in pretending to have a discussion?

Could you  be more specific as I have no idea what point you are trying to make.

Show me this evidence that contradicts……

I had picked up on it but I was not quite ready for another dogfight over precise definitions of specific words-one battle at a time!
The death rate for the war was  an aberration and thus any claim it was  exceded by a factor of 10 (or 4) in peacetime was simply not credible.
The backdrop to these claims there was a post war genocide visited on the German people is a staple of far right sites and those who believe the wrong side won in WW2.

If you are of this mindset then here is another source to re-inforce your prejudice

http://hungarianhistory.com/lib/vardy/vardy.doc

@Gargantua:

The Finns were accussed of the same crimes, supposedly making slaves of people, and random executions etc, none of which seemed to be based on real incidents.

You could not have picked a worse example.
The Finish executions are well documented
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=142778&hilit=

and for Finnish Concentration Camps
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=176121&hilit=

The disadvantage is that the victims were Soviet and thus ( in your eyes) liars about everything.
The truth is the Finish War Crimes are well documented
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=185050&hilit=

@Gargantua:

In our other thread, you are saying the Germans executing “millions” of POW’s   Â

No I did not.
Here is the actual post:
http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=16779.msg957446#msg957446

My words are:  Is that counting the millions of POW’s they starved to death or shot on the spot?

There is no dispute 3 million  Soviet POW’s died. I referer to the millions who starved to death or were shot.
Twisting  my words to mean what you think I said will not work if I can repost the originals.
I make no distinction between those Soviets murdered on capture or slowly strarved to death in the following weeks. To me they are both inhuman acts of savages.
Do you think shooting them quickly is a worse fate?

and the links I gave you are for 1 part of the Russian Front and in the early days and not the whole war.

The quote is short and to the point.
Your have � deeply ingrained aversion to anything that puts Monty in a positive light � that drives you to ever more ridiculous claims � about ‘hidden meanings’ or unspoken codicils. � Semantics is not your forte so I advise you not to continue down this path.
The German Generals you put so much store in when they praise Patton are derided for expressing the same view of Monty, why?

Warning:
Edited to correct spelling mistakes. Conspiracy theorists please accept my apology if you have posted a reply in the last minute.

@Col.:

You posted what you considered to be their opinion,

No.
I posted the actual words. I did not adjust or paraphrase anything.
Your charge is baseless.

@Col.:

then turned there words to fit your cause

Simply untrue. I let he words speak for themselves.
Show me how the following is turned:

In a reference to the Allied commanders, Rundstedt said:
"Montgomery and Patton were the two best that I met

or better still explain how you read it.
Maybe you see something I missed?

@Col.:

What puzzles me is that you expect anyone to think like you do when you can’t support anything you say with facts.

I am not after converting anyone.
You can lead a horse to water……