Posts made by Keodis

whats the LOL for?

and ive taken a break if u guys cant tell lmfao.

probably until info on the luftwaffe and russia turns up so i can finish em.

looks to me scappa is in the dead center of the line separating the two SZ’s

sorry to say. I was able to get Usa, Uk, italy, and france done in only a couple hours. But ive spent 6 hours alone on just trying to find locational info on the luftwaffe, and yesterday i decided to skip the luftwaffe and go for russia.

There were many other site for accurate info on the other countries, but when it came to the luftwaffe and russia as a whole, its extremely hard to find.
If anyone has hard info not on the net or had links to sites that dont come up with normal searches, it would be greatly appreciated.

in the mean time im going to revise post setups and possibly move to the pacific side of the board.

thx everyone

ok ill add the inf.

im going to use the grand total chart for the battle of france part of this link to setup the luftwaffe

http://sturmvogel.orbat.com/Aug40.html#5/40

do i only use what they had “on hand”?

and just to make sure, is Jagdgruppen or Kampfgruppen fighter planes? i know stuka would be tacbombers and i think Zerstörergruppen is bombers but i am unsure.

so right now, im done european sides of USA, UK (some tweaking still going on), italy, france (except for mainland france), Germany is half done,

http://ww2total.com/WW2/History/Orders-of-Battle/Russia/Red-Army-1939.htm  site dont give much info on russia. and theres alot less info on russia then any other site. i think they are going to take a while.

once im done everything on the european side. ill post it. then go to pacific side ( pacific should be quick i trust IL’s sources )

then onto rules, dice and other stuff.

Germany:
Holland/Belgium: 12 inf, 1 mech, 5 tank, 1 SS mech
Western Germany: 4 inf , 1 SS mech <– possibly was located in Germany not western.
Denmark: 1 inf
Norway: 1 inf
Poland: 2 inf
Greater Southern Germany: 1 inf
Germany: 4 inf

There is no Wehrmacht/keer info on slovakia or hungary. Unless you are 100% sure the units you posted that are located there are correct.
I have information on Luftwaffe #'s but no location information!!!

IL made one long time ago. i posted it here. check page 3 or 4

i dont wanna change the ratios because the units on the board represent size, not quality. The changes in dice #'s on a D12 or D20 can reflect the quality.

Just cant read the other site lmao

@Imperious:

if this is the total that means every single tank division Germany had was going into France?

NO it is the entire GERMAN ARMY deployed all over controlled areas ( Germany as reserve , Norway, Denmark, Poland, etc.). From that about 80-90 total divisions went to France. Count the divisions in the order of battle from here:

http://niehorster.orbat.com/011_germany/40-05-10_army/_okh.html ( count XX only, you don’t need to deal with regiments)

no i know this is the total deployment. what i was pointing out is this. ON the total deployment list they have 10 panzer divisions. On the list for the battle of france, germany had 7 panzer divisions in army group A and 3 in army group B.

so if they totalled 10 divisions and attacked with 10. that means they used all theyre tanks in france, no?

also the niehorster.orbat website i think i counted 8 divisions of tanks. That website is making my brain melt

about the picture on ww2total, is that all of army group A and B going through the ardennes from what would be Holland/Belgium on the Axis and allies map??

also according to stats on ww2total, i should take a BB out of SZ 95 and change their air deployment to:

North italy: 1 bomber, 1 ftr

South Italy: 1 tac

i went to http://ww2total.com/WW2/History/Orders-of-Battle/Germany/German-Orders-of-Battle-June-1940.htm many times but never actually examined it.

if this is the total that means every single tank division Germany had was going into france?

By May 1940, the number of divisions in the German army was as follows:
129 infantry divisions;
8 motorised infantry divisions (3 Waffen-SS);
10 panzer divisions;          <–---------- 10 panzer divisions
3 mountain divisions;
1 cavalry division;
2 airborne divisions;

For the invasion of France the German Army was organised into three army groups:
Army Group A (von Rundstedt) with 45 1/2 divisions including 7 panzer;
Army Group B (von Bock) with 29 1/2 divisions including 3 panzer, and                      <----------- 10 panzer divisions
Army Group C (von Leeb) with 19 divisions.

USA europe                Note: lack of AAA guns in my setups are due to no info on them but i know there were AAA guns
Central: tank, mech, art, tac, bomber
Eastern: 2 inf, ftr
SZ101: BB, CV w/ tac n ftr, CA, DD, SS, AP

Italy:
North: 6 inf, tank, art
South: 4 inf, mech, 2 bombers
Sardinia: inf, tac
Sicily: inf, ftr
Tobruk: inf, mech
Albania: inf
Ethiopia: 2 inf, art
Italian somali: inf
SZ 96: DD, SS, AP
SZ 95: BB, CA, DD, SS, AP
SZ 97: BB, CA, DD, SS

Germany invaded Poland with:
61 divisions of infantry
9000 artillery guns
2750 tanks
2315 aircraft

Germany invaded France with:
141 divisions of infantry
7300 guns
2500 tanks
5600 aircraft

just with those divisions alone, Germany has 40.4 inf on the board !! thats way more than 26 in the setup that was posted.
Panzer divisions had around 300 tanks in them. so 1 tank piece would be ~600 tanks. But how many guns equal an artillery piece? keep in mind the total # of guns were not used together, inf divisions and tank division used many of the guns. Would assuming half the guns are used elsewhere, and saying 600 guns ( like the tanks ) would represent 1 piece would mean that 7300 guns represent 6 artillery.

EDIT: Just realized that maybe some of the divisions of infantry were part of panzer and artillery divisions. I think im wrong and they actually mean 141 divisions of standard infantry

thx IL for the info.

are you saying there should be 2 inf in FWA?

OK.

UK Europe:       CV’s with no fighters are due to minimal airforce in location or lack of info.
Quebec: inf
SZ 96: AP
SZ 91: CA, CV /w tac
SZ 119: 3 BB, CA, 2 DD
SZ 109: BB, CV /w ftr and tac, 2 CA, 2 DD, SS
Scotland: AAA, inf, ftr
UK: 4 AAA, inf, 2 ftr, 2 tac, bomber
SZ 111: 4 DD
SZ 110: BB, CA, 2 DD, SS
France: (BEF) inf, art, mech
Malta: AAA
SZ 98: BB, CV /w tac, CA, DD
Egypt: inf
Anglo Egyptian Sudan: inf
Union of S Africa: inf

France ( what i know so far )
UK: inf
SZ 105: SS
SZ 93: DD, CA
SZ 92: BB, CA, SS
SZ 99: DD
SZ 110: DD
Morocco: inf
Algeria: inf
Tunisia: inf
French West Africa: inf
Madagascar: inf
Syria: inf
French Indo China: inf

Im done the USA Europe side and very, very close to finishing Italy. The earlier German setup i posted is not historical, it was a guess at what they would of done. It is extremely hard to find info on their deployment. Once im done Italy and Germany and figured out what to do with France, I can start to look at the USSR. Then im going to double check IL’s Pacific setup he posted.

Ill post the other setups tomorrow morning unless i get called into work.

If anyone wants to help, id appreciate them tackling the USSR or double checking IL’s setup and double checking mine as well.
If we can get a bunch of people to “proof read” this setup then we can sort out all mistakes fairly easily. Thx for all the help!

OK i am having trouble with the north african deployment. In libya the italians had 10 divisions of infantry, 2 of which were mechanized and had some medium tanks. they also had 300 aircraft that were outdated.

in egypt the UK had an under strength infantry division and an under strength armor division. they also had 205 aircraft that were even more outdated than the italians…… how am i going to represent this in A&A.

also France’s deployment is way too huge ( 16 infantry, 6 mech, 3 tanks, 2 artillery, 1 fighter, 1 tactical bomber ). Germany will take extreme losses. im going to have to alter it because many of the troops didnt even fight and were bypassed. idk what percentage to put their army to. 40% percent strength??

i like D20s because each # is a 5% increase rather than a 8.3%. Much easier to fine tune.

also there should be a french inf on madagascar

IL, from your post on harris game design.

Fighters:
Russia - 6/7/12/4
Germany - 7/8/11/4
UK - 7/9/10/4
Japan - 7/7/9/4
US - 7/8/9/4
Italy - 6/7/12/4

whats the 4th # used for?

attack/defence/cost/movement?

Destroyers:
Russia -2/3/7/3
Germany - 3/4/6/3
UK -3/3/6/3
Japan - 3/3/5/3
US - 3/3/5/3
Italy - 3/2/6/3

that means destroyers move 3???

also this is for D12. do u have a list for D20?      ( this is offtopic at the moment because first priority is the setup )

@Imperious:

China raised alot of divisions of poor quality during the war.

wouldnt that be represented because the ratios used were on the # of units not the quality? because if we use D20’s, then sure, theyd have alot of guys but they would not be as good a Japanese infantry.

China:
22 infantry, 1 artillery, 1 fighter

using IL pacific setup, japan would get steamrolled if thats chinas setup. i dont think this is correct.

IL said he was using real data and the ratios he posted. so i think were gunna stick to that instead of using info from a different board game