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    • RE: Sharon started the second intifada???

      More news about Israel…

      Good and bad.

      Good:
      Peace talks, though we all know we won’t get the desired result.

      Bad:
      The Israeli parliment passed a law legalizing discrimination of race when giving state land to israeli citizens, overruling a supreme court ruling that said the opposite. Furthermore, another law was passed that made it illegal for parliment officials to say anything bad about Israel. ISrael is the closest thing to a free society in the Middle East, but the perpetual war going on is destroying that democracy.

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    • RE: Congratulations Yanny

      @TG:

      Huh?

      yay?

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    • RE: Serious topics.

      All of those crazy diets…people know what is healthy and what is not. Though I must say, I have a friend who lost 50 poundxs using that “points” thing.

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    • RE: Current actions in the Middle East

      "“Since the 1920s, Stalin planned the “World Revolution.””

      I don’t know, wasn’t it Trotsky who wanted pursue a global revolution? I think Stalin was more content to consolidate his gains in Russia. "

      Yes, that is correct.

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    • RE: Sharon started the second intifada???

      “A Palestinian attacking a Military target is NOT terrorism.”

      So the bomb that killed 240 US soldiers wasn’t terrorism? This was during a time after failed peace talks thanks to Arafat. Attacking Israeli soldiers that can bring about retaliatory measures isn’t exactly smart…also the fact that “military positions” are outside of the villages, towns, and cities. They had to go out of their way to fire bomb them and throw rocks. And the stabbings and shootings, though they can be considered hate crimes.

      “An Israeli retaliating against Palestinian civilians IS terrorism”

      Unless they are aiding it.

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    • RE: Sharon started the second intifada???

      @yourbuttocks:

      The problem is, Palestinian soldiers like to use women and children as shields

      exactly…that is exactly what happened in Jenin.

      I also forgot to mention how the Palestinian authority had full knowledge in advance of Sharon coming, and “protests” were organized before the visit.

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    • Sharon started the second intifada???

      Not so…

      "Why can’t people of all faiths visit the Temple Mount?

      And how did the seond intifada start from Sharon’s visit on the 28th?

      here’s a history of violence:
      ARAB VIOLENCE BETWEEN SEPTEMBER 13 – 27, 2000
      SEPTEMBER 27, 2000
      1. One Israel Defense Forces soldier was killed and another was wounded moderately by a terrorist attack near Netzarim in the Gaza Strip on Wednesday night, HA’ARETZ reported. Sergeant David Biri, age 19 from Jerusalem, was in critical condition on Wednesday and was pronounced dead in Be’er Sheva today from fatal head wounds.
      As a convoy of three civilian vehicles escorted by two military vehicles reached the Netzarim junction, three roadside bombs were detonated in rapid succession. The wounded soldiers were flown by helicopter to Soroka Medical Center in Be’er Sheva.

      This incident marked the fourth time this year that roadside bombs have been used against the IDF around Netzarim. The IDF and the Israel Security Agency believe that Hamas may have masterminded the attack, but did not rule out the possibility that Palestinian Authority police were involved.

      SEPTEMBER 25, 2000
      1. Four firebombs were thrown at an IDF patrol at the Netzarim Junction this morning. No-one was injured but the army sent additional troops to the area in order to quell any further violence that may erupt.
      Shortly after the firebomb attack, there were several incidents of stonethrowing at Israeli vehicles travelling along the route between Netzarim and the Karni crossing point.

      2. Two unarmed Palestinian plainclothes policemen in pursuit of a suspected Palestinian criminal burst into the Beit Romano compound in the Jewish quarter of Hebron this afternoon. The Palestinian policemen shoved several of the IDF soldiers stationed there before being detained. The two, and the suspect they were pursuing, were later turned over to Palestinian authorities. A protest has been filed over the incident.
      3. According to YEDIOT AHARONOT ON-LINE, the IDF has decided to suspend the joint Israeli-Palestinian patrols in the Netzarim area because Palestinian police refuse to help Israeli border police disperse protesters and sometimes even intervene on behalf of the protesters. The extent of the involvement of the Palestinian police is now under investigation.

      SEPTEMBER 24, 2000
      1. In the two separate attacks last weekend, two Jewish residents of Neveh Ya’acov were stabbed and lightly to moderately wounded. In the first attack, last Friday night, a woman, 50, was stabbed while talking on a public phone on the neighborhood’s main street. The following night a man, 50, was stabbed as he waited for a bus.

      SEPTEMBER 19, 2000
      1. Some 250 Palestinian trucks were held up at the Karni Checkpoint in Gaza when the residents of the Gush Katif town of Netzarim blocked the roads two hours this morning. HaKol MeHashetach News Agency reports that the residents were responding to the wave of Arab rock-throwing on their cars in recent days.
      2. Lebanese citizens attempted to disrupt fruit-harvesting activities in Israel this morning,when they threw stones at a group of foreign workers in the orchards of northern Metullah. The security coordinator of Metullah, Amir Shushani, was lightly injured.

      SEPTEMBER 18, 2000
      1. Dozens of Hamas and Islamic Jihad terrorists have been released over the past few days from Palestinian Authority prisons for “extended vacations.” Among the terrorists benefiting from the PA largesse are those who were involved in major attacks against Israelis, such as the bus bombings of early 1996. Israeli security sources said that the revolving-door policy has “come to life.”

      SEPTEMBER 17, 2000
      1. Two Jews have been stabbed in the northern Jerusalem suburb of N’vei Yaakov over the past two days. Shlomo Chaiditov, 50, who was attacked last night, is in serious but stable condition in Hadassah Ein Karem Hospital. A woman was stabbed in the same location the night before, and was injured lightly. In both cases, the attacker fled to the nearby Arab village.
      2. Arab rock-throwing at the Netzarim junction in Gush Katif, Gaza, has become a popular sport among Palestinian youth. Hundreds of boys of all ages participated in the latest incident today, and one IDF soldier was hit in the head. Israeli troops responded with tear gas and rubber bullets, and the army closed the Karni Checkpoint and did not allow Palestinians to cross into pre-1967 Israel. The road to Netzarim was also closed for several hours today. Palestinian soldiers stationed outside Netzarim did nothing to stop the attacks.
      3. Meanwhile, the religious Kibbutz Migdal Oz in Gush Etzion has been the target of three shooting attacks over the past month.

      SEPTEMBER 15, 2000
      1. Close to 100,000 Israeli-Arabs are expected today in Um el-Fahm - the largest Arab city in Israel, located south of the Galilee, midway between Hadera and Afula - for an Islamic Movement show of strength. The title of the rally: “El Aksa [mosque, on the Temple Mount] is in danger.” Violence is not expected, but hundreds of policemen will be there “just in case.”
      2. The police decided yesterday not to uproot thousands of olive trees that the Arabs planted illegally near Nazareth Illit - the Jewish city adjacent to the Israeli-Arab city of Nazareth. The decision was made, apparently by Public Security Minister Shlomo Ben-Ami, in order not to exacerbate tensions between the Arabs and Israeli authorities.
      3. Arab MK Abdel Malek Dahamshe, who called this week to break the bones of policemen who come to raze illegal Arab buildings, continued similar incitement this morning.

      SEPTEMBER 14, 2000
      1. Yesterday, Attorney General Rubenstein approved the opening of a police investigation against MK Muhammad Barakeh, following his call to Israeli-Arabs to use violence against policemen to prevent the demolition of illegal houses
      2. The IDF Spokesman announced yesterday that there has been an increase in rock-throwing incidents at Israeli vehicles on the Netzarim road in the Gaza Strip over the past two weeks, and that the Palestinian Police have not dealt with the incidents, in opposition to the agreements. The IDF has sent a strong message to the Palestinian Police that the IDF will act with an “iron fist” to quell the violence if the PA does not take action against the rock-throwers.
      3. Serious damage to orchards is being caused by unrelenting stone throwing from Lebanon into Israeli territory close to the Fatma Gate in Metullah. Eyal Jacobson, owner of an apple orchard opposite Fatma Gate, complains that thousands of tons of fruit are being left to rot as he and his workers are constantly forced to interrupt their work.
      4. Shots were fired yesterday towards Kokhav Yaakov, a community 10 minutes north of Jerusalem. One of the community’s caravans sustained slight damage.

      SEPTEMBER 13, 2000
      1. The Palestinian Authority is reneging on its commitment to accommodate Israeli repair and restoration work at damaged structures in the Joseph’s Tomb compound in Nablus. Israeli requests to the PA on this matter have yet to show results.
      2. The Israeli police have recently dismantled two nationalist cells run by Arab Israelis whose activities have cost three lives, the commander of the northern police district told journalists here on Tuesday.
      All 24 members of the cells were arrested and arms and ammunition were seized, said police chief Alek Ron.

      “The members of the cells bought weapons and practised using them.They collaborated with Palestinians (from the Palestinian territories), threw stones at police vehicles and Israeli civilians and set fire to the houses of Arabs whom they suspected of working with Israel,” Ron said.

      “These fires caused the deaths of three of these `collaborators’ with Israel,” he said.

      SEPTEMBER 13, 2000
      A Palestine Media Watch (PMW) report reviewed official Palestine Broadcasting Corporation TV in July, August and early September, and opened with the following prophetic sentence:
      “Broadcasts of violence and hate reached unprecedented levels this summer on Palestinian television, to a point where the atmosphere is one of the eve of outbreak of war.”
      The report gives examples: of broadcasts of old and new footage, showing clashes between Palestinians and Israelis, which grew from a daily standard of 15 minutes to 30 minutes, 45 minutes or one hour. The stridency of religious sermons against Israel and the Jews grew - reflecting, in PMW’s analysis, a convergence of views between the Palestinian Authority-employed clergy and Hamas. "

      posted in General Discussion
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    • RE: Prostitution

      @TG:

      I keep that my little secret! :wink:
      (lets just say the age difference [if any] between you and me isn’t that wide)

      oh. So i presume your sister is younger, correct?

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    • RE: Anti-Balistic-Missile-Defense

      @TG:

      I’m more worried about the chemical, biological weapons that Saddam had in store for our little Allied Soldiers. However, I think it would’ve been worth the risk, rather than let him be the nuisance he is today.

      yes.

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    • RE: War on Drugs

      “How about adding cloning,”

      against. too many humans and man shouldn’t be immortal.

      “affirmative action”

      Against. It is racist of and one who benefits and “malefits.”

      ," military,"

      Downsize world involvement in stationing troops, but increase spending in weapons development. In other words only bring money where it is absolutely necessary (Kuwait, Egypt, Israel…), not Korea and Europe.

      “education,”

      I’m against vouchers, but i am for phasiong in corperate ownership.

      “environment”

      I was pro IM240 and OBD3, and I believe huge steps in protecting the environment should be taken.

      , “social security”

      Against. If the government takes money out of your paycheck, they should put it in the bank, not give less back to you when you get older.

      “, religion”

      Religion is usually good. Though it is morality, not religion that should be taught.

      , “regulation”

      Yes, there should be standards and regulations, though I don’t believe the government should control every aspect of business.

      “, privatization,”

      pro for schools, libraries…public things.

      “internet and technology”

      For…how can you be against it ???

      ," health, science,"

      Against state health care because it ruins quality, and against science. The world is flat damn it.

      " welfare reform,"

      I dislike welfare…not because what it does, but the adverse effect on society. People shouldn’t depend on “the state” for their livelyhood.

      “capital punishment,”

      Kill the murderers, rapist, old men, and babies. Euthanasia and abortion too!

      “racial profiling,”

      For it when it comes down to certain situations like airports and incresed crime in a certain neighborhood. (look at nyc!)

      “the media”

      The media is mostly liberal, but what are you going to do?

      “censorship”

      Against, besides i believe that the army should be able to use deceipt against our enemies by not giving every detail to the media.

      , “IRS”

      Income tax must go. we need customs duties up the ass!

      , "gay rights, "

      How is this even up for discussion. They should have no more, no less. This means they shouldn’t have those parades that are nothing more than gay orgies. Straight people can’t do that.

      “Israel/Palestine,”

      Talking realistically, a palestinian state probably wouldn’t last or do any good, but i am against the settlements.

      “budget/tax”

      customs duties.

      , “child support,”

      Way too corrupt. A man (at times women) is screwed for life with this, and he never gets the kid. I’m lucky to live with my father after some extreme measures.

      “law enforcement,”

      against. we need anarchy.

      “energy plan”

      We need to invest in renewable resources, but everything clinton and the states have done thus far is absolute crap.

      ," homeland defense,"

      Wire tapping and things of the sort should be loosened a bit…

      " terrorism, "

      Take out our enemies if they are threatening. the method we do so? PEace or diplomacy, or a detante? It matters what the situation is.

      “missile defense”,

      delay it ten years.

      " humanitarian aid,"

      end it. no joke.

      “culture, family,”

      Culture and the family prevents man from pure unification with all of it’s brethern. both must be eliminated for true peace. But that won’t happen.

      " vouchers"

      against.

      , “term limits”

      need’em.

      ,“government reform”

      yes, but why would the government reform itself?

      “euthanasia,”

      pro.

      “nuclear arms,”

      save a lot of lives, but some nations shouldn’t be allowed to acquire them. If they do, then oh well, unless we can do something about it.

      “civil rights,”

      What more now? What isn’t covered?

      “immigration”

      open immigration for mexico and other south american countries, but not for countries accross the ocean until there is a cooling of tensions. if an illegal immigrant is convicted of a crime (like robbery or murder) they should be executed. no one should come to thisw country to commit crime. get citizenship first.

      , "arts funding, "

      most art ios destructive to the mind nowerdays. It does not need public funding.

      “buffaloes”

      they’re great!

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    • RE: American Parties

      republican. I just want to be able to vote in the primaries.

      Horten rant:

      all countries have large populations opf idiots, and america is of the same. People here after 9-11 “loved” america because of “freedom.”

      Not too many voters though. You love democracy, but you don’t care who represents you. Everyone should vote. In fact, anyone who pays taxes should vote (this includes teenagers.) What happened to no taxation without representation.

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    • RE: Hitler's Chauffeur

      @TG:

      Haha, good historical joke (is it alright if I call it that) you go there! :wink:

      But little tidbit about Hitler’s chauffer having to drive backwards has more to do about his Eagle’s Nest in Obersalzberg. Apparently Hitler was so afraid of heights on his way to the mountain hideaway that he forced his chauffer to drive backwards on their way up!

      Drugs does that to you!

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    • RE: The G8

      @F_alk:

      Horten,
      The G8 are a summit where the leftist european intellectuals try to make the US do things which are bad for them :) :) :)

      Not exactly. I know ti has something to do wtih foreign policy military-wise.

      Sadly when I work too much, I have no time to read up on the news :(

      "but the failure of the Munich Beer Hall revolt taught him an important lesson. "

      Don’t rely on standing on a table and shooting in order to over-throw a country!

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    • RE: World Cup!!!

      I knew it all along…Joey Bishop rules!

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    • RE: Native Americans

      @TG:

      “Even buffaloes! (those basdtards.)”

      Ha, this is too great not to laugh at! :lol: But us Americans are responsible for this too. Remember the railroads?

      Yeah, I seen the reservations in California. Wouldn’t exactly call them 5-Star Hotels.

      Exactly. It kind of sucks that the only way to “make it” is to leave the land and assimilate.

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    • RE: Fundamental Pledge Question

      @TG:

      And what was your response?

      I respect some people’s opinions ;)

      I can’t remember to tell the truth.

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    • RE: Fundamental Pledge Question

      @TG:

      Well Bush Sr. was a good president. The reason why he didn’t get elected was because of the economy (“Read my lips, no new taxes!” As you can see, stupid remarks run in the family). And the reason for this could be traced back to the era of Regan.

      good president? He stinked like Regan (except regan won us the cold war.) Was Bush better than Clinton? At least he did a little more than just fire some rockets…

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    • RE: Fundamental Pledge Question

      @TG:

      Well, even Bush admits to his stupidity (ex. Yep, I know I didn’t deserve to go to Yale). However, he is smart in the way that he fills his cabinet with competent leaders that know how to do their job, like a few other presidents… AKA Ulysses S Grant. I did like Barbara Bush though, she should’ve ran for presidency!

      Hey, he was a good pitcher!

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    • RE: 9/11 conspiracy

      Maybe i wrote something down wrong, but the point being 9-11 hurt Israel more than it helped.

      BTW the metric system rules…damn all those who use farhenheit!

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    • RE: Current actions in the Middle East

      @F_alk:

      then i should have used “attacked” and not “started the war” in my above posting? is that what you were complaining about?

      Yes but Arabs were shelling the ISraelis and using “terrorism.” They had to attack in 67.

      “ou don’t believe the nazi propaganda, do you? So, why do you come up with this question, which to me seems totally out of context?”

      IOf you believed the NY Times in 1941, Russia provoked Germany into launching Operation Barbrossa.

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