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@Betano Thanks for your thoughts on PTV and glad you like it in general.

Strat bombers are a tough unit to get right without going down the path of different powers having different available units. The unit has to cover everything from a twin engine medium bomber with a crew trained in torpedo attack (say a Jap G3M or G4M) to a 4 engine long range bomber with no naval attack capability.

Some of the other guys and I here made a mod just for fun with some additional changes to strat bombers:
Attack power lowered to 2 to account for the extreme inaccuracy of high level bombing Range increased by 1 (this allows Berlin to be bombed from London, though without escort, as happened in the real war) Cannot attack sea zones unless there is at least 1 other type of attacking unit
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UK Strategy -"Middle Earth"

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@simon33 The thing about the neutral crush is that if the Allies can pull it off successfully, then they’ve probably already set themselves up for victory anyway. There’s 6 infantry in Spain, 8 infantry in Turkey, and 2 in Saudi Arabia. The US is limited in the opening in terms of how many loaded transports it can afford to send across the Atlantic, and the UK is limited in the opening in how many units it can build up in the Middle East, even in a Middle Earth strategy. If you’ve overcome these limits and managed to build up both a US force and a UK force each of which can successfully kill off 8 defending neutral infantry, and those forces aren’t urgently needed for defense anywhere, then (a) you probably could and should just successfully kill off 8 defending Axis infantry; there ought to be some target that’s worth taking that’s not so well-defended, and (b) you’re probably doing so well that you will win no matter what you do as long as it’s not insane.

On the US end, one of the challenges is that the coast of Spain is not necessarily a safe place to park your ships – it’s typically in range of German fighters and tac bombers flying out of West Germany; to block this attack, you would need to hold Morocco and Gibraltar strongly enough that Italy can’t take them back on its turn – which is hard to do if the Allied infantry headed for the western Med are all going to Spain. You need to crush Spain’s 6 infantry hard enough that your survivors can resist an Italian/German counterattack from France; you have to take and hold Spain so you can build facilities and land planes there; otherwise you’re just trading territory that’s far enough away from the German core that it’s not really a threat to them.

On the UK end, there’s nowhere reasonable to put a third factory in the opening – you can use your starting factory in South Africa and build a new one in Persia on UK2 after activating Persia on UK1. However, it’s not safe to put a factory in Egypt against a competent Italian player, and it’s not reasonable to attack Iraq any earlier than UK2, because you need time to activate the Persian units and bring them into the fight, as well as time to contain the Italians in east Africa. So the earliest you could build an Iraq factory is UK3, which means you don’t get any new units out of that factory until UK4 – and even then, the British economy is usually too weak to fuel all 3 factories reliably. You might be earning 42 IPCs if you’re doing very well. If you want a reasonable mix of land units, so you can, e.g., put fast movers in Persia and keep them involved in the action despite their relatively long walk to Cairo, then the buy looks something like 4 infantry, 2 artillery, 2 mechs, 1 tank, which costs 34 IPCs. You probably also need to buy at least a destroyer in the Atlantic to cope with German submarines, so that’s the full 42 IPCs. If you get hit with a successful convoy attack or strategic bombing run, or if you’ve lost even one original territory anywhere (e.g. Alexandria, or Gibraltar, or British Somaliland), then you have to make some painful cuts somewhere.

So as the British, you can’t reliably crank out 9 units per turn every turn in the global South – for the first few turns your factories aren’t all online yet, and then even after that sometimes you won’t be able to afford it. Let’s say you manage 7 units per turn. OK, but Italy can typically unload at least 2 transports a turn into north Africa or Syria, so you need 4 units per turn just to counter that…which means you have something like 3 units a turn to build up to a force that can sack the 8 units in Turkey at a profit. And that assumes you’re not diverting units east to save India from Japan, or buying fighters to send north to save Moscow, both of which are often a higher priority than a neutral crush. Maybe you can build up an uncommitted striking force of 12 British units by turn 7 or 8…but most of the time I’d rather use those units to retake Cairo, land in Greece, push into a German-occupied Caucasus, etc.

Yes, it can be annoying to wait until you have enough British transports to support a landing in Greece, but it’s also annoying to gift Germany 2 infantry in Switzerland, 6 infantry in Sweden, and the loss of whatever Allied units take hits in the first round of combat against Spain, Saudi Arabia, and Turkey. On average, even a perfect attack that ends in 1 round will cost you about 5 Allied units. So if the Allies are going down 5 units, and the Germans are going up 8 units, that’s a swing of 13 units. In return, the Allies gain 6 IPCs per turn – it will take them 7 turns of collecting that income to build 13 infantry and show a tiny profit, plus another couple of turns for that profit to be converted into units that can be built and transported to the front lines. If the neutral crush happens early – say, round 5 – then you’re not really breaking even until about round 14, by which point the game’s outcome has usually been decided.

It’s not that a neutral crush is never the right answer, I just think it’s rare, and I wouldn’t want to plan ahead for it by making an early investment with the US by making an otherwise-unjustified early move to French West Africa.

Of course, if you want to do a neutral crush because it’s fun, or because it’s surprising, or because you think your opponent won’t know how to defend against it skillfully, have at it! Those are all good reasons to do a neutral crush. I just think it very rarely makes sense in terms of this game’s economy, even assuming Britain is running Middle Earth.
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1914 Balanced, TGC (CP) vs Ragnell804 (Entente)

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@The_Good_Captain said in 1914 Balanced, TGC (CP) vs Ragnell804 (Entente):

@Ragnell804 G30 ncm edit austria.tsvg sorry. needed to do that as well to prevent the 16% chance of USA taking Rome

You missed the 100% chance for the UK to retake Rome hahaha
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North Africa, Ragnell804 (Allies) vs TGC (Axis)

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The Italian playbook

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@ampdrive said in The Italian playbook:

@AndrewAAGamer On I1 it is a good idea to take at least 1 UK territory, usually for me somewhere in east africa but maybe cyprus or malta, to deny UK their 5ipc bonus for retaining all their original territories.

It is very common to take at least 1 UK territory that they cannot take back until later in the game.

As well it might be benificial to let germany take SFrance G1. It gives italy a landing spot for fighters and germany has the option of building ships in the med starting G2.

I have seen this a couple of times. If your intention is to definitely build a German Navy in the Med to assist Italy fighting the UK navy then that would be one way to do it. The other is just build a strong navy off of Germany and swing it around Gibraltar. Off course that assumes the Axis can take Gibraltar to allow entry into the Med.

Since most people want to fight a land war against Russia with Germany, rarely does anyone go for Southern France on G1 and instead let Italy take it on I1. Also, by taking it with Germany on G1 there is a good chance you lose some or all of the income from it due to the French fleet where that does not happen to Italy.

Finally, I would not suggest this tactic since it goes against my Axis and Allies Warfare Principles of attacking with overwhelming strength in key battles. Germany attacking France on G1 is THE most important battle of the game. If Germany fails to take it the game is over. While one might argue that diverting forces changes that 99.9% battle to 99.4% battle is no big deal it really means instead of losing 1 game in a thousand you are losing 1 game in 200.
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League G40 Team Game - Stucifer/Crockett36 v Daaras/FranceNeedsMorePower

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If that’s not allowed then just move them back using edit.
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L25 PTV surfer (X+12) vs Simon33 (L)

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TripleA Turn Summary: Russians round 3
TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory

Game History
Round: 3 Purchase Units - Russians Russians buy 1 armour, 11 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Russians 1 infantry moved from Bryansk to Southern Belarus 1 fighter moved from Ukraine to Southern Belarus 2 armour, 4 artilleries, 1 fighter, 4 infantry, 2 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Leningrad to Vyborg 1 infantry moved from Bryansk to Southern Belarus Combat - Russians Russians creates battle in territory 118 Sea Zone Germans scrambles 1 units out of 118 Sea Zone to defend against the attack in Vyborg Battle in 118 Sea Zone Russians attack with 1 submarine Germans defend with 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 tactical_bomber and 2 transports 1 submarine owned by the Russians submerged Battle in Southern Belarus Russians attack with 1 fighter and 2 infantry Germans defend with 1 infantry Russians roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Southern Belarus, round 2 : 0/3 hits, 0.83 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Southern Belarus, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Southern Belarus Russians roll dice for 1 fighter and 1 infantry in Southern Belarus, round 3 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Southern Belarus, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Southern Belarus Russians roll dice for 1 fighter in Southern Belarus, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Southern Belarus, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 fighter in Southern Belarus, round 5 : 0/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Southern Belarus, round 5 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 fighter in Southern Belarus, round 6 : 1/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Southern Belarus, round 6 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 fighter owned by the Russians lost in Southern Belarus 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Southern Belarus Germans winGermans winGermans win with 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 tactical_bomber and 2 transports remaining with 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 tactical_bomber and 2 transports remaining with no units remaining. Battle score for attacker is -13 Casualties for Russians: 1 fighter and 2 infantry Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry Battle in Vyborg Russians attack with 2 armour, 4 artilleries, 1 fighter, 4 infantry, 2 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber Germans defend with 1 aaGun, 1 fighter and 11 infantry Germans roll AA dice in Vyborg : 0/2 hits, 0.33 expected hits Russians roll dice for 2 armour, 4 artilleries, 1 fighter, 4 infantry, 2 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber in Vyborg, round 2 : 2/14 hits, 5.50 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 aaGun, 1 fighter and 11 infantry in Vyborg, round 2 : 3/12 hits, 4.33 expected hits 3 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Vyborg 1 aaGun owned by the Germans and 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Vyborg Russians roll dice for 2 armour, 4 artilleries, 1 fighter, 1 infantry, 2 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber in Vyborg, round 3 : 3/11 hits, 4.50 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 fighter and 10 infantry in Vyborg, round 3 : 3/11 hits, 4.00 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians and 2 artilleries owned by the Russians lost in Vyborg 3 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Vyborg Russians roll dice for 2 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 fighter, 2 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber in Vyborg, round 4 : 6/8 hits, 3.50 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 fighter and 7 infantry in Vyborg, round 4 : 0/8 hits, 3.00 expected hits 6 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Vyborg Russians roll dice for 2 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 fighter, 2 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber in Vyborg, round 5 : 4/8 hits, 3.50 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 fighter and 1 infantry in Vyborg, round 5 : 1/2 hits, 1.00 expected hits 1 artillery owned by the Russians lost in Vyborg 1 infantry owned by the Germans and 1 fighter owned by the Germans lost in Vyborg Russians win, taking Vyborg from Germans with 2 armour, 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 2 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 24 Casualties for Russians: 3 artilleries and 4 infantry Casualties for Germans: 1 aaGun, 1 fighter and 11 infantry Non Combat Move - Russians 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Vyborg to Russia 2 aaGuns moved from Leningrad to Vyborg 1 artillery and 14 infantry moved from Novgorod to Yaroslavl 5 infantry moved from Bryansk to Russia 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Kursk to Tula 3 infantry moved from Ukraine to Kursk 2 infantry moved from Rostov to Stalingrad 1 aaGun, 4 artilleries and 10 infantry moved from Siberia to Amur 5 infantry moved from Siberia to Amur Place Units - Russians 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry placed in Siberia 9 infantry placed in Russia 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry placed in Stalingrad Turn Complete - Russians Russians collect 40 PUs; end with 40 PUs Trigger Russians 7 Great Patriotic War: Russians met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 43 PUs Trigger Russians 2 Persia Lend Lease Lane: Russians met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 45 PUs Trigger Russians 3 Siberia Lend Lease Lane: Russians met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 47 PUs
Combat Hit Differential Summary :
Germans AA : -0.33 Germans regular : -4.00 Russians regular : -4.00
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Editing PUs/IPC in TripleA (was: Triple A Questions)

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@Panther Thank you, I will do that moving forward.

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