Anybody but Europe! Got helps us all if all those damned European countries who still think they are superpowers even though they aren’t become superpowers again. They screwed up the world once already. I still think it will be China, and India has a chance if it can control tis population and start to improve itself.
I think it would be Asia, but not now and not after the USA. Also yes we did screw thing… hmm… 2 or 3 time but now i am very proud of what europe is achieving.
Gun are completly useless…
Why gun should be legal ? Because you need protection… Because some people feel powerfull with an handgun in their hand ? Tssss
Well if nobody had guns it would be more safe it is not a question of individual right but of collectivity, i would’nt want to live in a society with lots of handgun.
Also most of the time gun are NOT use for protection but for suiside, crime… and there is a lots of accident.
4. Yes there is good and evil, but Jews believe that people have the free choice to choose whether to be good or evil.
I don’t believe there in good or evil so i will certainly not choose :)
7. WE see ourselves n our religion in a way that seems racist to people who don’t understand the religion and simply want to criticize us. WE see ourselves as the “Chosen People” but that doesn’t mean we think we are superior in anyway. In Judaism, as the Chosen People, our job is to spread the teachings of God to the world.
… i think this is a little arrogant, like most religion (exept buddhism)
This does not mean missiionary work.
Good thing ! Missionaire are making so much problem to “save” people.
Remember, Judaism was the first religion to have things such as a justice system, which the non-Jews eventually adapted.
hey wow, don’t forget Hinduism ! Quite older and there was a justice system (well, it still depent on your definition of a justice system).
The Chosen People means we are on a different spiritual level than the Non-Jews. It doesn’t make us better in any way, all it does is really make our life much harder. It means we are judged differently.
I don’t like the “different”… every human are human, and human are animal. A jew is my comrade in life as much as a chinese.
As a Jew, I have 613 basic fundamental laws that I have to obey while the most any Non-Jew really should obey according to Judaism are the 7 of the Noahide Laws. WE do not believe we are better in any way, we simply have to spread monotheism to the world by showing what is good about it.
You will have to admit that without monotheism they would not have so much religious war…
Nothing more. Life as a Jew is much harder than life as a non-Jew. I cannot eat foods such as pork, shrimpo, lobster or jellyfish. I also have many others rules I have to obey. As a Non-Jew, life is much more fun. You guys can do anything you like without being bound by so many laws.
I don’t want to make fun of your religion, but it always (well, since i am an atheis) make me laugh how much people WANT (really) to suffer for mythological being, the jews, the christians, the shinto.
I hoped I answered your questions adequately. I barely scratched the surface, though, because there are many more discussions on many subjects in Judaism, especially the last question you asked me. I can recommend further readings if you like. If you study Judaism, I think your views on religion might just change a little.
I have respect for some religion like Hinduism and Buddhism, but i still think they will eventually disappear like all religion… but it will take LOTS of time. At least atheism is growing in university; it’s a start :) . And even if judaism does not seem as bad as christianism, i do not think i’ll like it much if there is a god i cannot “see” with my reason. But i will read about it, this is an important religion, the father of two important religion.
Thank you very much for answering so well even to a sinners :)
3 other questions if you have the time/patience…
1; Does animal go to heaven ?
2; Is logic an important thing in judaism ?
3; Does judaism believe in evolution ?
Well it is a simplification, a good excuse not to look if critics against the USA are justified.
Which language(s) are you speaking, and in your country how much/which language are you learning at school ?
If I don’t want to think, I should get into a religion? Now that’s pushing it. Take a look at the Jewish book of law, the Talmud. It is much harder than any subject I have ever learned. It requires lots of thinking to learn and can be very difficult to understand. In one year, I have gotten through maybe 4 pages of one tractate of Talmud, and that’s with studying it every day. Religion is not so simple as you think it is.
I know some religion are more complex than other, some are even worthy of attention like buddhism and hinduim. To be honest i know a little about some mythology (German, Celtic, Greek, Roman) and some religion (Christianism, Hinduism, Buddhism) but if there is one religion i know nothing about this is Judaism and i would be very pleased if you can answer some questions to me.
About Hitler’s nterpretation of the bible, there is a difference when you analyze something whne you are sane rather than when you are insane, like Hitler was. He was mentally unstable. To believe what he says in such a medical condition requires you to be very gullible. Also, when you interpret something, such as the Bible, you should be able to prove your thoughts.
I admit my comparaison with hitler was’nt a very good analogy. You say we “should be able to prove your thoughts”… anyway it does not work with me and Christianism and i doupt there is a lot of people who tried as hard as me to “believe” in a logical god.
I just want to point out that if we cannot prove a religion (or at least prove it is probable) with logic and intellelect, all religion are as valid as the other. Zeus, Odin, Cernunnos, Belenos, Wotan, Allah, they are all equally valid as god.
Oh for goodness sake! I honestly did not know what FinsterniS was talking about. He’s accused me of “fanaticism” which i originally took as meaning “practicing a fantasy” and later realized that he was calling me a fanatic.
Well i am sorry if i am hard to understand sometime.
and the fact that most universities until the 20th century were run by various churches (and still there are many colleges and universities that are run by Christian organizations) that are aimed towards promoting truth and “enlightenment” this definition escaped me.
If a christian is teaching math, he is not teaching obscurantism.
If a christian is teaching christianism, he is teaching obscurantism.
Newton (a christian) was not teaching obscurantism, he was not teaching christianism and did not discor anything with christianism.
und Falk, ich schlafe nie… langweilig
Sure i am not very good in english but obscurantism IS an english word.
Obscurantism
a policy of opposition to enlightenment or the spread of knowledge
But this is a stupid line . . . who is less violent - Christians or Muslims.
A Christian following the teachings of Jesus would never hurt another person (willfully) but would “pray for his enemies and do good to those trying to hurt him”.
A true Muslim following the teachings of Mohammad who is in a right relationship with Allah would not condone the slaughter of innocents, but rather would protect the Jews and Christians - his “younger siblings” in faith.
Agreed. Some time in history the Christian were more violent than the Muslims, but not it seem it’s their turn… Anyway this does not undermine any religion, there is fanatic everywhere… Communist, Capitalist, Anarchist, Nietchean, Sartrian, Odinist, Christian, Muslims, Judaist…
obscurantism? really? you think obscurantism? wow.
Wait - let me look up obscurantism - i really don’t know what that word means. I wonder if i’ve been teaching obscurantism all this time and didn’t realize it. Weird.
You are not teaching christianism as far as i know.
Fantasies? Which ones? All of the bible, or just the parts that you don’t agree with?
The part with god, angels, deamons, heaven, hell, unicorn, giant and dragon… well most of the bible.
The war? How violent. I think it’s important for everyone to continue to be nice to people and help people (obviously to know Jesus) but does the war for humanism mean a war against Christianity or deism or religion?
From my standpoint it is, because religion is useless, only a burden for science, philosophie and reason. Religion make people believe in simple thing, reductionist thing, and this is certainly not a good thing for anything. If you do not want to think; get into religion.
Why is this question so important tho’? I certainly can not answer it well, as i’ve only researched using lab rats, and i’ve conditioned myself to believing (kind of like Hitler, if you will) that i have authority over animals. If i couldn’t do that then i wouldn’t have been able to sacrifice the poor buggers for my research.
It is important because there is no reason to believe in our so called superiory and we would need one day to stop deaming about our supremacy on the earth and our destiny in the universe.
Bangalor; no i did not read nor heard or C.S Lewis and i really doupt he have any king of valid argument for the “theory” of god.
@cystic:
Hitler believe god want to exterminate the jew. How can you consider he was not right if you cannot even know what god is exept with blind faith ?
Of course you omit the fact that many Nazi’s were followers of Nietzsche who managed to twist his theories into support of he superiority of a German race . . . . You always appear to try to make Christians and “the Christian God” out to be the bad guy.
I can only admire you and emugod for your technique, you never answer anything i ask… My question is still the same, why Hitler’s interpretation of god is less accurate than yours as you can only see god with faith ?
About Nietzsche you know i have said SEVERALS time there was a great distinction between a doctrine and those who apply it, that is why i do not claim thing like “christian are hatefull”, but Christianism AND christian are working against evolution. Also if you read just a little Nietzsche, you will see how much he dislike germans and antisemitism… Note also that even if Nietzsche influence my a lot i do not consider myself a Nietzschean.
About Animals again you did not answer me.
Why Humans are superior/not equal to Animals ?
CC you have certainly work with biology ! We are as animals as a cats, our brain just give us the biggest culture on earth; we are still animals, acting like animals. I have some difficulties to understand that; all your life CC you will act like an animals, you will try to approch/impress woman, you will think of her, you will maybe even get in competition with other male, you will try to live, you will have passions, still you will deny you are an animals ?.. animals with technology and with a big culture but this does not make us apart from the animal kingdom. And as strong as the christians denial is on the subject; we have no reason to believe Humanity is apart from Animality, we call than anthropocentism and this is not a very nuanced standpoint.
Some (myself included) would argue that Jesus was a great humanist (and feminist). If people do good things for the world compelled by their love for JC, then how is this such a great burden? Many people do this, daily, bringing light, peace, food, water, literacy, medical care, etc. to very uncomfortable parts of the world and they do this in the name of Jesus, and they believe that the love of Jesus and the work of the Holy Spirit gives them the strength and will to do this. They work with love, creativity, using all their faculties (including reason), whereas the fantasy is the rainbow at the end of the rain. How is this a burden? How is this not humanistic?
Jesus was maybe an humanist 2 000 year ago, but his follower and his doctrine are now only teaching obscurantism.
Jesus once said “whoever is not against us is for us” - I believe this to mean that people who work towards a common goal should be united and strengthened by this. You seem to say that they should be divided with some of them eliminated (or at least their reasons for doing good should be eliminated).
Undoubly i am AGAINST jesus, i am for my species and for my planet, not for fantaisies and i believe it is important that thinkers continue the war (philosophical) for humanism.
So my two question (to be sure you answer them).
1; why Hitler’s interpretation of god is less accurate than yours as you can only see god with faith ?
2; how Humanity can be superior/not equal to Animality ?
I’m not saying animals are inferior and we should not feel remorse in eating them, I’m saying that the relationship between humans and animals is similar as between living creatures and God. To an animal, say a squirrel, we appear to be omniscient and omnipotent. WE built these huge, strange box-like things that we go in and out of all the time. WE have these huge things that move that release all this gassy stuff. The animals see us as all-powerfulbecause of our great ability to create things such as structures. WE cna decide if the animals and plants shall live or die by how we run the world. Do we cut down this forest, or not? It is very similar with God. God has the power to create things that we cannot and can decide whether we will live or die. Does that make him a fascist? If so, then all people are fascists too, because we are like Gods ot the animals.
I always find comment about god a litte funny, you know comrade most religion have a different vision of god. No religion is able to make a logical, without any fallacies, argument for the concept of god, but they are extrapolating lots of behavior from nothing to create the perfect image of a creator… How do you know if god care ? Maybe he just want us to die ? Maybe he just want us to fight so he could sit with popcorn and watch us because he is bored. You cannot make any argument for god, any interpretation is therefore very subjective…
Hitler believe god want to exterminate the jew. How can you consider he was not right if you cannot even know what god is exept with blind faith ?
About animals and us, you would be like god to a primitive human still he is very similar to you. Anyway you are exactly doing what i said; you say we are not equal to animals but you just accept this conclusion witout any reason, why do you believe we are superior/not equal to animals ? There is a reason or it just suited your belief ?
And sure this is not facism but it is close… Even the word animals often exclude us, still we are very similar to Gorilla but they are animals, we are not. This is coherent ?
I believe that following a religion does help the world. Many religions encourage good relations between people, I know mine does. Religion also helps to inspire people to do things. When you are being taught to help people in your religion, will it not influence you to do so?
It certainly does not only bad thing… but it is not a contributor to humanity, it’s more like a burden… I really wish i could see the day were humanity would live for the progress of humanity, with reason and creativy, without fantasies. I will never see that day, but at least i am working for my future childrend and grandchildrens so they might see that day; we call that humanism.
Do you respect the animals, bugs, and bacteria as equals to you?
You know, all this about animals is crap… really. Nobody here have a reason to treat animals as inferior. Why someone believe that ? Because it make him feel good when he eat meat ? That’s hypocrisy ! Because animal are “less intelligent”, well wy not eating idiots ?
There is not a single argument for this kind of reductionism, it is only a pratical conclusion. Sure if they are inferior, no need to feel guilty when we eat them… Pratical, but without any basis.
Is there someone here that is able to make an argument for this thesis ?
About God not caring about the world, if he didn’t care then why rebuild it?
We must admit that if god care about the world he is caring by a very strange way… Sure some religious people (like CC) are clearly working for humanity, but not BECAUSE they are religous. I am sure if CC was an atheist he would have make the same contribution to humanity. So following a religion can help people feel good, it certainly not help the world. How many people die for all those fantaisies ? How many discoveries were torn apart and how many incoherent “theory” are around because of religions ?
I live in the best country of the world.
That does not exist, sorry but i don’t think it is a very mature feeling.
We’re just in a bad stage right now. Not only are we the most powerful country in the world, we have the third best standard of living, the best economy, and can do the most for the world. We could do a lot of good if we just regonized that we could do good.
Third Best standard ? With all this pollution & violence ? It is very subjective anyway as we all have different need, but i think country like Canada, Sweden, Norway and Finland can more easily represent the universal “best standard” for the human nature.
I am incredible proud of my country’s history. Until we became a World Power, we were an example for colonies of the world. The Founding Fathers were brave men, who sacrificed everything for our country.
I would’nt be proud of how American the treat the amerindians… only the french were acting with honor with the native.
We have been warned of false God’s and we know not to buy into one on earth.
How can your god be more valid if you cannot prove him with logic ? How can Zeus and Odin be considered false god if the only way to have a contact with god is with faith, and faith is equal on all religion, how dare you to claim Zeus, Odin, Cernunnos and Athena are false god ?
Faith anyway is a negation of logic and creativity… We you need faith, you need NOT to be logic.
Well i vote “no” because even if god is not an all loving being (the flood is an international genocide and most people are probably in hell), i do not think he is a facist. Anyway as he does not exist, only what christian think is important and i am sure most see him as a loving god…
But there is a lot of problem of ethical problem with god…
So the “we have the truth” statement is full of fallacies… and only Hinduism seem right on the subject; “The truth is One, but different Sages call it by Different Names”
So, god punish with eternal flame those who reject faith ? Why, if he love so much his child, does’nt he male himself a logical part of the universe ? How can an omnipotent being support a Black&White moral code ?
hmmm… very disturbing…
anyway why not giving “KCl injections to end a life”, you may have a good argument i don’t know… I am just for the idea that some person suffer so much that they should be able to choose Death if there is no hope… some are just suffering, suffering, waiting for death…
pro guns…very pro
pro abortion
pro euthanasia
pro harsh (relatively) punishment of arrested illegal immigrants
pro true campaign finance reform bills
pro israel until oil is no longer needed
pro environment besides arctic drilling
Against firearm, very against…
Against Abortion
Against capital punishment
Pro euthanasia in some case
Against harsh punishment in any case (it has been proven innefective)
Pro environment even if it damage a little short term economy
were are close from an exact opposite… :)
I am typing in English… well i try… Because most people here are English, and anyway English is the dominating language now. Because of English and American imperialism. But don,t fool yourself, i don’t work with english, and in my science i rarely read text in english…
So what ? I never said America was not the dominant power.
