Posts made by FinsterniS

Thats a good strategy but generaly Russia is playing safe, they dont have much choise. If russia is making mistakes the allies will soon loose.

Intelligence CAN be a factor, but a minor factor. Capitalist encourage lies, corruption.

Also capitalism is full of virus, like the peaple who live only by selling/buying actions. Not really contructive…

And… lets say the president of a bank. Are you trying to say he’s the fittest within his organisation ? Is he more productive than any ?

Anyway the “fittest survive” is not a really good excuse because in our society, every single individual can have its place and be productive, every single individual can be a good citizen.

In the Nature, weak animal perish because they are slowing down their group, are you saying that peaple with like 89 of IQ* are slowing down society ?

• IQ is a really, really imperfect test. It require a lot too much knowledge and not enought creativity.

And if you are right, why not be anarchist. No rules, only the “fittest” will survive.

After all, capitalism uses economic Darwinism. Survival of the fittest, natural selection, everyone for himself, or whatever you may call it.

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Thats a quite American conception of Capitalist. Well, no, the fittest does’nt survive in Capitalist, nor the peaple with high intelligence or anything. Capitalist encourage everything that is bestial, and while we ARE bestial, with such powerful weapon as nuclear bomb we cannot afford to be too much emotional. Humanity is in a stage where it need to restructure his vision of the world so it can survive.

And individuals, fighters in your so call fight for evolution, are killing the planet with pollution.

I can also say that this vision cost USA a lot, your scientist are’nt working together. You are making “lot” of discoveries without being able to articulate them to a bigger system.

Mr Moose, you know about the “big punch” of the brittish soldier ?

They loose 100,000 men
German loose 6,000 men

Why ? Because they where stupid enought to think mass bombardement could destroy an army in a trench.

And you know what ? They did the same error three time in WWII with mass bombardement.

Also the brittish send a lot of troops from their colonie, that was not quite gentle.

About France, theres was ONE major mutiny and it end with Pétain.

Brittish were no better than French.

If poor are commit more crime, why not trying to help them ? Why do you think there’s FAR more less violence in country like Sweden ?

About extremist you forgot Italy… Anyway extremist are everywhere. From an european point of view Republican are extremist.

“Gott ist Tot”

• Friendrich Wilhelm Nietazsche (1844-1900)

“Chacun prend les limites de son propre champ de vision pour celle de l’univers”

• Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

[ This Message was edited by: FinsterniS on 2002-05-22 12:20 ]

I know exactly the limitation of my speech. Im seeing the world within a specific culture, so im not objective (can we be objective?).

I perfectly know that when im saying evolve society im making a jugement hard to defend.

But can i say the US are as evolve as Sweden, no i cannot. Serious evidence tend to be on my side… yea yea, empirism cannot make the jump from evidence to proof, but well… get some information on Sweden, Norway, Austria, Danemak. These are the occidental evolve society of our time.

For the extra D, im sorry… im really butchering your native tongle :smile:.

I juge what is evolve by my critter, your critic is 100% correct. My remark own no real scientific or anthropologic value. Its just my jugement.

Note that i did’nt said explicitly that civilized soceity are civilisez because they dont use capital punishment, i only said civilized soceity dont use capital punishment. Still, i think it is a good critter of civilization.

“Gott ist Tot”

• Friendrich Wilhelm Nietazsche (1844-1900)

“Chacun prend les limites de son propre champ de vision pour celle de l’univers”

• Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

[ This Message was edited by: FinsterniS on 2002-05-21 22:17 ]

sob…

I really hope this will be my last post here.

quote; Would it be because the poor are the ones who are more likely to and actually commit the majority of these crimes?

True, they commit more crime. But a collectivity must be loyal to all its member and any psychologist know that killer are often peaple that suffer inside (or outside in the case of poor peaple). Killing peaple that suffer is not quite logic. By killing them you are showing a exemple of revenge. By helping them you are showing an exemple of loyaulty. We are all a collective, we all have a place in this society, maybe if we learn how to be in society theyir will be not as much crime. Thats why i sent back the word Monsters to you, your monster is a problem that we should try to solve, my monster is the one that does’nt want to solve the problem.

Heres a big distinction; i did’nt say you were a monster, i sent back to you the word.

it is lack of vision also because you reduce an entire individual to a simple act.

And yes, i someone had kill someone a love, i’ll want it dead. That is emotional, not rational, and that emotional reaction is typical of our human short vision.

Anyway i dont think there’s much discussion. Every evolve society (dont read Economy) put aside capital punishment.

First of all i must say that with this kind of speech; you are the “monster”.

Second; even if it kill the good person, its always a barbarian act endorse by the governement. And again… poor peaple get capital punishment far more often.

“A life sentence tells victims, and their loved ones: We don’t care enough about you. Because we’re too squeamish to take the life of a monster, we are implicitly stating that your life (or that of your loved ones) means less than your murderer’s. This is not revenge; it is common decency.”

Not that life mean less. He make an horror by killing, but the governement has no right to endorse the same kind of horror. Killer are not monster, im sure many of them are suffering peaple. Evolve country does’nt endorse killing of human being. This is my last message here, i dont want to read again such stupidity. This is pure lack of vision & logic.

Theres a lot more death to the palestinian side. AND theres a quite big difference…

The Israel Governement sponsored these murder.

Palestinian Peaple does’nt support terrorism.

And… israel does’nt want any International Soldier, Arafat want. So when Charon is saying Arafat does’nt want peace but he want…

Ethic & Medecine always pose problems… Like when its time to test new medicaments.

With the case of the Nazi i want to say that nazi discover not a great deal of thing while sacrifying.

The only thing im sure they’ve discover with experiment on body is how to treat a pilot that have been on cold water for hours (hypothermic).

I think knowledge is always a good things WHEN YOU ARE NOT ENCOURAGING PEAPLE TO KILL OTHER DIRECTLY.

I wont use X if i know it is tested on unwilling children.

The 2 “pro” are quite strange

1. Vengeance: it satisfies the victims’ families’ taste for blood

Well… Vengence is not quite productive. Anyway i see why justice should help peaple getting vengence.

2. The bible: requires death penalty for offenses ranging from disrespecting your parents to being unhospitable.

“God” endorses the murder of any unmarried girl found not to be a virgin,(Deut. 22:13-21). Should we do so ? Come on ! Bible is’nt the ultime book of knowledge, if it is we should be looking for Dragons, Satyr and Unicorns

well, i think its arrogant to insinuate that im not intelligent. you should be able to argue without using argumentum ad hominen.

I think peaple with quite opposite philosophy can learn with each other if they does’nt kill themself.

I was’nt even speaking to you CC, you are too arrogant and youre not always awnsering to me so im never taking you seriously.

I was just asking a question to some “pro-life” that are against abortion but for capital punishment.

How can peaple be pro-life, against Abortion, but for death penalty ?

How can a civilise society kill his how peaple ?

This is not a question of $$$
But a question of revenge

I really dont understand…

Some says the Germany is unstoppable
Some says the Allied are too strong…

Personnality i think the German are a little weak, but only by giving only to the German the 12 turn zero ipc it seem to be pretty balance.

Not impossible…

My jugement is’nt really clear in that subjet, my knowledge of your system is limited.

But at least he’s not anti-cuban

I think one innocent live is worth a million.

but 1; we have problem living on this planet with less than 7 000 000 000 peaple without killing each other, so im not sure a universal cure would save life in the end.
and 2; i would’nt be able to kill a child

Just look by yourself, it will be faster and more effective…

Another things; Carter speech at cuba was impressive & suprisingly moderate. He was certainly one of your best president and i dont understamnd why Bush is so Anti-Cuba…

Well, thats false, i understant; he dont want to lose rigth-wing extremist that always hunt communist in their dreams.