@VictoryFirst I was not aware that in classic you could rig things so to allow the attack to retreat into a territory that was captured earlier in the turn. That is interesting.
Regardless, will play on with the file where Germany retreated into Romania.
@The_Good_Captain Game History
Round: 2
Purchase Units - Russians
Russians buy 7 infantry; Remaining resources: 2 PUs;
Combat Move - Russians
1 infantry moved from Caucasus to Ukraine S.S.R.
Russians take Ukraine S.S.R. from Germans
3 infantry moved from Stalingrad to Ukraine S.S.R.
2 artilleries and 10 infantry moved from Russia to Karelia
1 bomber moved from Leningrad to Czechoslovakia
1 submarine moved from Soviet Convoy Sea Zone to Atlantic Sea Zone
1 fighter moved from Leningrad to Karelia
1 armour moved from Belorussia to East Poland
Russians take East Poland from Germans
1 armour moved from East Poland to Ukraine S.S.R.
2 artilleries and 17 infantry moved from Belorussia to Ukraine S.S.R.
Combat - Russians
Turning on Edit Mode
EDIT: Changing ownership of Baltic States from Germans to Russians
EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
Turning on Edit Mode
EDIT: Removing units owned by Russians from Leningrad: 3 armour
EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to Ukraine S.S.R.: 3 armour
EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
Battle in Karelia
Russians attack with 2 artilleries, 1 fighter and 10 infantry
Germans defend with 1 infantry
Russians roll dice for 2 artilleries, 1 fighter and 10 infantry in Karelia, round 2 : 3/13 hits, 3.17 expected hits
Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Karelia, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Karelia
1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Karelia
Russians win, taking Karelia from Germans with 2 artilleries, 1 fighter and 9 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
Battle in Czechoslovakia
Russians attack with 1 bomber
Germans defend with 1 artillery
Russians roll dice for 1 bomber in Czechoslovakia, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits
Germans roll dice for 1 artillery in Czechoslovakia, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
1 artillery owned by the Germans lost in Czechoslovakia
Russians win with 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
Casualties for Germans: 1 artillery
Non Combat Move - Russians
1 bomber moved from Czechoslovakia to Leningrad
1 aaGun moved from Belorussia to Ukraine S.S.R.
1 aaGun moved from Russia to Moscow
1 fighter moved from Karelia to Leningrad
1 artillery and 10 infantry moved from Leningrad to Belorussia
Place Units - Russians
7 infantry placed in Stalingrad
Turn Complete - Russians
Russians collect 24 PUs; end with 26 PUs
Combat Hit Differential Summary :
Germans regular : 0.33
Russians regular : 0.17
Game History
Round: 2
Purchase Units - British
British buy 2 carriers; Remaining resources: 5 PUs;
Combat Move - British
1 bomber moved from United Kingdom to Stalingrad
1 armour, 1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Egypt to Palestine
2 fighters moved from United Kingdom to Leningrad
Combat - British
Non Combat Move - British
Place Units - British
2 carriers placed in Atlantic Sea Zone
Turn Complete - British
British collect 12 PUs; end with 17 PUs
Combat Hit Differential Summary :
Game History
Round: 2
Purchase Units - Americans
Americans buy 3 fighters; Remaining resources: 8 PUs;
Combat Move - Americans
3 fighters moved from United States to Atlantic Sea Zone
1 destroyer moved from Davis Strait Sea Zone to British Convoy 4 Sea Zone
British take British Convoy 4 Sea Zone from Germans
1 destroyer moved from British Convoy 4 Sea Zone to Denmark Strait Sea Zone
1 fighter moved from Iceland to Atlantic Sea Zone
1 bomber moved from United Kingdom to Ukraine S.S.R.
Combat - Americans
Non Combat Move - Americans
Place Units - Americans
3 fighters placed in United States
Turn Complete - Americans
Americans collect 40 PUs; end with 48 PUs
Combat Hit Differential Summary :
@SuperbattleshipYamato hard to argue against any of this really. The IJN was so far gone by this point in the war that there’s not really much they could have done to salvage their situation one way or another. The bit about the allies not having many LSTs in general is something I never knew before though.
@VictoryFirst No worries. Yesterday was a holiday in the US so I did that have the time or enthusiasm to jump into another game immediately.
@VictoryFirst said in VF (Germany) vs. DoMan (Allies) | Original Europe, Game 1:
I didn’t know your exact strategy before this game, during the game I realized I could afford to build one more round of tanks without Berlin becoming in danger.
I think with the balance this strategy might have some more success, as long as you put a little more money into attacking Berlin as well.
TGC and I discussed this same potential weakness (Germany builds the extra round of Tanks because Berlin is not in danger) in the strategy last week when I initially rolled it out so I assumed he’d shared my concerns with you as well. I am going to spend some time thinking about ways to strike a better balance of force distribution and get back to you. I am not very good at making major innovations on the fly, unfortunately.
@The_Good_Captain Just as a heads-up I am not likely going to have any meaningful response at the moment. Now that the goalposts have shifted from defending against a G6 attack -> defending against a G7 (and beyond) attack I am more or less going to need to go back to the drawing board on the Allied side of the house.
@VictoryFirst Well that’s that. I don’t think I need another one as you clearly knew before the game started the solution to what I did was to just build one more round of tanks and wait until turn 7, exploiting the fact that the fighter jump is something that can only be done once.
@The_Good_Captain You’re overthinking it. VF literally just built one more wave of tanks and that pushed things right back to 99% Germany.
@VictoryFirst Game History
Round: 6
Purchase Units - Russians
Russians buy 4 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;
Combat Move - Russians
1 transport moved from Baltic Sea Sea Zone to Danish Sea Sea Zone
1 armour moved from Norway to Danish Sea Sea Zone
1 armour and 1 transport moved from Danish Sea Sea Zone to Baltic Sea Sea Zone
1 armour moved from Baltic Sea Sea Zone to Leningrad
1 fighter moved from Moscow to Turkestan
1 submarine moved from British Convoy 3 Sea Zone to British Convoy 2 Sea Zone
British take British Convoy 2 Sea Zone from Germans
Combat - Russians
Battle in Turkestan
Russians attack with 1 fighter
Germans defend with 1 infantry
Russians roll dice for 1 fighter in Turkestan, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Turkestan, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
Russians roll dice for 1 fighter in Turkestan, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Turkestan, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
1 fighter owned by the Russians lost in Turkestan
Germans win with 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is -12
Casualties for Russians: 1 fighter
Non Combat Move - Russians
Place Units - Russians
4 infantry placed in Moscow
Turn Complete - Russians
Russians collect 14 PUs; end with 14 PUs
Combat Hit Differential Summary :
Germans regular : 0.33
Russians regular : -1.00
Game History
Round: 6
Purchase Units - British
British buy 6 artilleries; Remaining resources: 2 PUs;
Combat Move - British
2 transports moved from Baltic Sea Sea Zone to English Channel Sea Zone
1 transport moved from Atlantic Sea Zone to English Channel Sea Zone
6 infantry moved from United Kingdom to English Channel Sea Zone
6 infantry moved from English Channel Sea Zone to Netherlands-Belgium
British take Netherlands-Belgium from Germans
1 carrier moved from Baltic Sea Sea Zone to English Channel Sea Zone
1 carrier moved from Baltic Sea Sea Zone to English Channel Sea Zone
1 armour moved from Tunisia to Egypt
1 bomber moved from Moscow to Stalingrad
1 artillery moved from Leningrad to Russia
1 submarine moved from British Convoy 3 Sea Zone to U.S. Convoy 1 Sea Zone
Americans take U.S. Convoy 1 Sea Zone from Germans
Combat - British
Battle in Stalingrad
British attack with 1 bomber
Germans defend with 1 aaGun, 1 armour and 1 factory
Germans roll AA dice in Stalingrad : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
British roll dice for 1 bomber in Stalingrad, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits
Germans roll dice for 1 armour in Stalingrad, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
1 bomber owned by the British lost in Stalingrad
1 armour owned by the Germans lost in Stalingrad
Germans win with no units remaining. Battle score for attacker is -10
Casualties for British: 1 bomber
Casualties for Germans: 1 armour
Battle in Russia
British attack with 1 artillery
Germans defend with 1 infantry
British roll dice for 1 artillery in Russia, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Russia, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Russia
British win, taking Russia from Germans with 1 artillery remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
Non Combat Move - British
Place Units - British
6 artilleries placed in United Kingdom
Turn Complete - British
British collect 31 PUs; end with 33 PUs
Combat Hit Differential Summary :
Germans AA : -0.17
Germans regular : 0.33
British regular : 1.00
Game History
Round: 6
Purchase Units - Americans
Americans buy 3 artilleries, 3 infantry and 3 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;
Combat Move - Americans
4 infantry moved from United States to U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone
4 infantry and 2 transports moved from U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone to Celtic Sea Sea Zone
1 armour, 3 infantry, 1 submarine and 3 transports moved from British Convoy 3 Sea Zone to English Channel Sea Zone
1 infantry moved from English Channel Sea Zone to France
Americans take France from Germans
2 infantry moved from English Channel Sea Zone to Netherlands-Belgium
11 fighters moved from Moscow to Turkestan
Combat - Americans
Battle in Turkestan
Americans attack with 11 fighters
Germans defend with 1 infantry
Americans roll dice for 11 fighters in Turkestan, round 2 : 4/11 hits, 5.50 expected hits
Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Turkestan, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Turkestan
Americans win with 11 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
Non Combat Move - Americans
11 fighters moved from Turkestan to Moscow
Place Units - Americans
3 artilleries and 3 infantry placed in United States
3 transports placed in U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone
Turn Complete - Americans
Americans collect 43 PUs; end with 43 PUs
Combat Hit Differential Summary :
Americans regular : -1.50
Germans regular : -0.33
99% Germany. GG.
@VictoryFirst Regardless of the outcome of the game, I will walk away from this happy that “the script” was defied.
@The_Good_Captain Game History
Round: 1
Purchase Units - Americans
Americans buy 3 fighters; Remaining resources: 4 PUs;
Combat Move - Americans
Turning on Edit Mode
EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone: 1 transport
EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from Davis Strait Sea Zone: 2 submarines
EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
1 bomber and 1 fighter moved from United States to Davis Strait Sea Zone
1 destroyer moved from U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone to Davis Strait Sea Zone
Combat - Americans
Non Combat Move - Americans
1 bomber moved from Davis Strait Sea Zone to United Kingdom
1 fighter moved from Davis Strait Sea Zone to Iceland
Place Units - Americans
3 fighters placed in United States
Turn Complete - Americans
Americans collect 40 PUs; end with 44 PUs
Combat Hit Differential Summary :
VF may have already cracked this for Axis’s side of the house in the game I have Vs. him currently. Need to see what he ends up doing on his turn though.
@The_Good_Captain And once again, the subs:
[dice 2d6<=2]
@The_Good_Captain Americans attack Germans in Davis Strait:
[dice 2d6<=3]
[dice 1d6<=4]
@dicebot @The_Good_Captain Sweet.
Game History
Round: 1
Purchase Units - British
British buy nothing; Remaining resources: 25 PUs;
Combat Move - British
Turning on Edit Mode
EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
Turning on Edit Mode
EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from North Sea Sea Zone: 2 submarines
EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
EDIT: 1 submarine and 1 transport moved from North Atlantic Sea Zone to Soviet Convoy Sea Zone
1 destroyer moved from English Channel Sea Zone to North Sea Sea Zone
1 bomber and 2 fighters moved from United Kingdom to North Sea Sea Zone
EDIT: 1 bomber, 1 destroyer and 2 fighters moved from North Sea Sea Zone to North Atlantic Sea Zone
EDIT: British undo move 4.
1 bomber and 2 fighters moved from United Kingdom to North Sea Sea Zone
1 destroyer moved from English Channel Sea Zone to North Sea Sea Zone
1 infantry moved from Syria to Eastern Mediterranean Sea Zone
1 infantry moved from Palestine to Eastern Mediterranean Sea Zone
2 infantry moved from Eastern Mediterranean Sea Zone to Libya
British take Libya from Germans
1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Egypt to Libya
2 infantry moved from Eastern Mediterranean Sea Zone to Egypt
1 armour moved from Egypt to Libya
British take Libya from Germans
1 armour moved from Libya to Egypt
1 infantry moved from Iraq to Iran
Combat - British
Non Combat Move - British
1 bomber and 2 fighters moved from North Sea Sea Zone to United Kingdom
1 aaGun and 1 armour moved from Canada to United States
Turn Complete - British
British collect 16 PUs; end with 41 PUs
Combat Hit Differential Summary :
@The_Good_Captain And now the subs firing back:
[dice 2d6<=2]
[dice 3d6<=3]
[dice 1d6<=4]
@The_Good_Captain British attack Germans in North Sea Zone:
@The_Good_Captain Game History
Round: 1
Purchase Units - Russians
Russians buy 8 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;
Combat Move - Russians
1 submarine and 1 transport moved from White Sea Sea Zone to North Atlantic Sea Zone
1 armour moved from Archangel to Vyborg
2 infantry moved from Karelia to Vyborg
1 infantry moved from Leningrad to Vyborg
1 infantry moved from Leningrad to Baltic States
1 artillery and 4 infantry moved from Belorussia to Baltic States
1 bomber and 1 fighter moved from Moscow to Baltic States
1 infantry moved from East Poland to Baltic States
1 artillery and 8 infantry moved from Ukraine S.S.R. to Belorussia
1 infantry moved from Iran to Caucasus
1 armour and 3 infantry moved from Caucasus to Stalingrad
1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Stalingrad to Belorussia
3 infantry moved from Turkestan to Belorussia
4 infantry moved from Moscow to Belorussia
1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Siberia to Russia
3 infantry moved from Archangel to Russia
Combat - Russians
Battle in Baltic States
Russians attack with 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 6 infantry
Germans defend with 1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry
Russians roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 6 infantry in Baltic States, round 2 : 3/9 hits, 2.67 expected hits
Germans roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Baltic States, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits
2 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Baltic States
1 artillery owned by the Germans and 2 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Baltic States
1 fighter owned by the Russians and 1 bomber owned by the Russians retreated
4 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 artillery owned by the Russians retreated to Leningrad
Germans win with 1 armour remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
Casualties for Russians: 2 infantry
Casualties for Germans: 1 artillery and 2 infantry
Battle in Vyborg
Russians attack with 1 armour and 3 infantry
Germans defend with 3 infantry
Russians roll dice for 1 armour and 3 infantry in Vyborg, round 2 : 0/4 hits, 1.00 expected hits
Germans roll dice for 3 infantry in Vyborg, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits
1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Vyborg
Russians roll dice for 1 armour and 2 infantry in Vyborg, round 3 : 1/3 hits, 0.83 expected hits
Germans roll dice for 3 infantry in Vyborg, round 3 : 1/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits
1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Vyborg
1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Vyborg
Russians roll dice for 1 armour and 1 infantry in Vyborg, round 4 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
Germans roll dice for 2 infantry in Vyborg, round 4 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Vyborg
1 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 armour owned by the Russians retreated to Leningrad
Germans win with 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
Casualties for Russians: 2 infantry
Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry
Non Combat Move - Russians
1 bomber and 1 fighter moved from Baltic States to Leningrad
1 armour moved from Siberia to Leningrad
1 armour moved from Moscow to Leningrad
1 armour moved from Turkestan to Leningrad
1 aaGun moved from Archangel to Russia
1 aaGun moved from Moscow to Belorussia
Place Units - Russians
8 infantry placed in Leningrad
Turn Complete - Russians
Russians collect 23 PUs; end with 23 PUs
Combat Hit Differential Summary :
Germans regular : 0.00
Russians regular : -0.17
Rest will come later. Stuff to do, calcs to make.
@SuperbattleshipYamato Yeah I get you 100%. Alternate History is a niche interest in the first place so finding other people willing to go down the rabbit hole is always tough.
@VictoryFirst Game History
Round: 5
Purchase Units - Americans
Americans buy 4 infantry and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 9 PUs;
Combat Move - Americans
Turning on Edit Mode
EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from British Convoy 3 Sea Zone: 1 battleship
EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
1 submarine moved from U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone to British Convoy 3 Sea Zone
3 infantry moved from United States to U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone
1 armour, 3 infantry and 3 transports moved from U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone to British Convoy 3 Sea Zone
3 fighters moved from Russia to Caucasus
4 fighters moved from Moscow to Caucasus
4 fighters moved from Baltic Sea Sea Zone to Moscow
EDIT: Americans undo move 3.
EDIT: Americans undo move 1.
1 armour, 3 infantry, 1 submarine and 3 transports moved from U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone to British Convoy 3 Sea Zone
British take British Convoy 3 Sea Zone from Germans
Combat - Americans
Battle in Caucasus
Americans attack with 7 fighters
Germans defend with 1 armour
Americans roll dice for 7 fighters in Caucasus, round 2 : 3/7 hits, 3.50 expected hits
Germans roll dice for 1 armour in Caucasus, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
1 armour owned by the Germans lost in Caucasus
Americans win with 7 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 5
Casualties for Germans: 1 armour
Non Combat Move - Americans
7 fighters moved from Caucasus to Moscow
Place Units - Americans
2 transports placed in U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone
4 infantry placed in United States
Turn Complete - Americans
Americans collect 36 PUs; end with 45 PUs
Combat Hit Differential Summary :
Americans regular : -0.50
Germans regular : -0.33
@DoManMacgee subs again:
[dice 3d6<=2]