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@The_Good_Captain Game History

Round: 1

    Purchase Units - Russians
        Russians buy 8 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Russians
        1 submarine and 1 transport moved from White Sea Sea Zone to North Atlantic Sea Zone
        1 armour moved from Archangel to Vyborg
        2 infantry moved from Karelia to Vyborg
        1 infantry moved from Leningrad to Vyborg
        1 infantry moved from Leningrad to Baltic States
        1 artillery and 4 infantry moved from Belorussia to Baltic States
        1 bomber and 1 fighter moved from Moscow to Baltic States
        1 infantry moved from East Poland to Baltic States
        1 artillery and 8 infantry moved from Ukraine S.S.R. to Belorussia
        1 infantry moved from Iran to Caucasus
        1 armour and 3 infantry moved from Caucasus to Stalingrad
        1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Stalingrad to Belorussia
        3 infantry moved from Turkestan to Belorussia
        4 infantry moved from Moscow to Belorussia
        1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Siberia to Russia
        3 infantry moved from Archangel to Russia

    Combat - Russians
        Battle in Baltic States
            Russians attack with 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 6 infantry
            Germans defend with 1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry
                Russians roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 6 infantry in Baltic States, round 2 : 3/9 hits, 2.67 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Baltic States, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                2 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Baltic States
                1 artillery owned by the Germans and 2 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Baltic States
            1 fighter owned by the Russians and 1 bomber owned by the Russians retreated
            4 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 artillery owned by the Russians retreated to Leningrad
            Germans win with 1 armour remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
            Casualties for Russians: 2 infantry
            Casualties for Germans: 1 artillery and 2 infantry
        Battle in Vyborg
            Russians attack with 1 armour and 3 infantry
            Germans defend with 3 infantry
                Russians roll dice for 1 armour and 3 infantry in Vyborg, round 2 : 0/4 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 3 infantry in Vyborg, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Vyborg
                Russians roll dice for 1 armour and 2 infantry in Vyborg, round 3 : 1/3 hits, 0.83 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 3 infantry in Vyborg, round 3 : 1/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Vyborg
                1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Vyborg
                Russians roll dice for 1 armour and 1 infantry in Vyborg, round 4 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 2 infantry in Vyborg, round 4 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Vyborg
            1 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 armour owned by the Russians retreated to Leningrad
            Germans win with 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
            Casualties for Russians: 2 infantry
            Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Russians
        1 bomber and 1 fighter moved from Baltic States to Leningrad
        1 armour moved from Siberia to Leningrad
        1 armour moved from Moscow to Leningrad
        1 armour moved from Turkestan to Leningrad
        1 aaGun moved from Archangel to Russia
        1 aaGun moved from Moscow to Belorussia

    Place Units - Russians
        8 infantry placed in Leningrad

    Turn Complete - Russians
        Russians collect 23 PUs; end with 23 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Germans regular : 0.00
Russians regular : -0.17

Rest will come later. Stuff to do, calcs to make.

@VictoryFirst Regardless of the outcome of the game, I will walk away from this happy that “the script” was defied.

@VictoryFirst Well that’s that. I don’t think I need another one as you clearly knew before the game started the solution to what I did was to just build one more round of tanks and wait until turn 7, exploiting the fact that the fighter jump is something that can only be done once.

@VictoryFirst No worries. Yesterday was a holiday in the US so I did that have the time or enthusiasm to jump into another game immediately.

@VictoryFirst said in VF (Germany) vs. DoMan (Allies) | Original Europe, Game 1:

I didn’t know your exact strategy before this game, during the game I realized I could afford to build one more round of tanks without Berlin becoming in danger.

I think with the balance this strategy might have some more success, as long as you put a little more money into attacking Berlin as well.

TGC and I discussed this same potential weakness (Germany builds the extra round of Tanks because Berlin is not in danger) in the strategy last week when I initially rolled it out so I assumed he’d shared my concerns with you as well. I am going to spend some time thinking about ways to strike a better balance of force distribution and get back to you. I am not very good at making major innovations on the fly, unfortunately.

@VictoryFirst I was not aware that in classic you could rig things so to allow the attack to retreat into a territory that was captured earlier in the turn. That is interesting.

Regardless, will play on with the file where Germany retreated into Romania.

@VictoryFirst Game History

Round: 1

    Purchase Units - Americans
        Americans buy 3 fighters; Remaining resources: 4 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Americans
        1 destroyer moved from U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone to Celtic Sea Sea Zone
        1 bomber and 1 fighter moved from United States to Celtic Sea Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from United States to U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone to South Atlantic Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from South Atlantic Sea Zone to Morocco
              Americans take Morocco from Germans

    Combat - Americans
        Battle in Celtic Sea Sea Zone
            British loiter and taunt; Americans attack with 1 bomber, 1 destroyer and 1 fighter
            Germans defend with 3 submarines
                Americans roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 destroyer and 1 fighter in Celtic Sea Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1.67 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 3 submarines in Celtic Sea Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                1 destroyer owned by the Americans lost in Celtic Sea Sea Zone
                2 submarines owned by the Germans lost in Celtic Sea Sea Zone
            Germans and Americans reach a stalemate
            . Battle score for attacker is 4
            Casualties for Americans: 1 destroyer
            Casualties for Germans: 2 submarines

    Non Combat Move - Americans
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from Celtic Sea Sea Zone: 1 submarine
        EDIT: Removing units owned by British from Celtic Sea Sea Zone: 1 destroyer
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        1 bomber and 1 fighter moved from Celtic Sea Sea Zone to United Kingdom

    Place Units - Americans
        3 fighters placed in United States

    Turn Complete - Americans
        Americans collect 41 PUs; end with 45 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Americans regular : 0.33
Germans regular : 0.00

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Ignore the dice stats provided for the US turn and calculate based on the actual dice that got rolled.

Likely going to be a very one-sided game based on these initial results but there is still a window for things to change. If you attack the USSR sub it will submerge if it somehow manages to survive the first round of combat.

@VictoryFirst Game History

Round: 2

    Purchase Units - Russians
        Russians buy 7 infantry; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Russians
        1 infantry moved from Caucasus to Ukraine S.S.R.
        2 armour, 1 artillery and 11 infantry moved from Belorussia to Ukraine S.S.R.
        1 submarine and 1 transport moved from Norwegian Sea Sea Zone to Soviet Convoy Sea Zone

    Combat - Russians
        Battle in Ukraine S.S.R.
            Russians attack with 2 armour, 1 artillery and 12 infantry
            Germans defend with 1 aaGun and 1 armour
                Russians roll dice for 2 armour, 1 artillery and 12 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 2 : 3/15 hits, 3.50 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 armour in Ukraine S.S.R., round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 armour owned by the Germans lost in Ukraine S.S.R.
            Russians win, taking Ukraine S.S.R. from Germans with 2 armour, 1 artillery and 12 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 5
            Casualties for Germans: 1 armour
        Battle in Soviet Convoy Sea Zone
            Russians attack with 1 submarine and 1 transport
            Germans defend with 2 submarines
                Russians roll dice for 1 submarine in Soviet Convoy Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 transport in Soviet Convoy Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/0 hits, 0.00 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 2 submarines in Soviet Convoy Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 submarine in Soviet Convoy Sea Zone, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 submarine owned by the Germans lost in Soviet Convoy Sea Zone
                Russians roll dice for 1 transport in Soviet Convoy Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/0 hits, 0.00 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in Soviet Convoy Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 submarine in Soviet Convoy Sea Zone, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 transport in Soviet Convoy Sea Zone, round 4 : 0/0 hits, 0.00 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in Soviet Convoy Sea Zone, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 submarine in Soviet Convoy Sea Zone, round 5 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 submarine owned by the Germans lost in Soviet Convoy Sea Zone
            Russians win, taking Soviet Convoy Sea Zone from Germans with 1 submarine and 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is 16
            Casualties for Germans: 2 submarines

    Non Combat Move - Russians
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from Karelia: 1 infantry
        EDIT: Changing ownership of Karelia from Germans to Russians
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        1 artillery and 6 infantry moved from Russia to Karelia
        1 aaGun moved from Russia to Moscow
        13 infantry moved from Leningrad to Belorussia
        1 aaGun moved from Leningrad to Belorussia
        1 aaGun moved from Belorussia to Stalingrad

    Place Units - Russians
        7 infantry placed in Stalingrad

    Turn Complete - Russians
        Russians collect 22 PUs; end with 24 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Germans regular : -1.67
Russians regular : 0.17

Game History

Round: 2

    Purchase Units - British
        British buy 2 carriers; Remaining resources: 5 PUs; 

    Combat Move - British
        2 fighters moved from United Kingdom to Karelia
        1 bomber moved from United Kingdom to Baltic Sea Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Syria to Ukraine S.S.R.
        1 armour moved from Libya to Tunisia
              British take Tunisia from Germans
        1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Libya to Tunisia
        1 destroyer and 1 transport moved from Central Mediterranean Sea Zone to Sicilian Sea Sea Zone
        1 destroyer and 1 transport moved from Sicilian Sea Sea Zone to Western Mediterranean Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Iran to Caucasus

    Combat - British
        Battle in Baltic Sea Sea Zone
            British attack with 1 bomber
            Germans defend with 1 transport
                British roll dice for 1 bomber in Baltic Sea Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 transport in Baltic Sea Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 bomber in Baltic Sea Sea Zone, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 transport in Baltic Sea Sea Zone, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                1 bomber owned by the British lost in Baltic Sea Sea Zone
                1 transport owned by the Germans lost in Baltic Sea Sea Zone
            Germans win with no units remaining. Battle score for attacker is -7
            Casualties for British: 1 bomber
            Casualties for Germans: 1 transport

    Non Combat Move - British

    Place Units - British
        2 carriers placed in Atlantic Sea Zone

    Turn Complete - British
        British collect 11 PUs; end with 16 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Germans regular : 0.67
British regular : -0.33

Game History

Round: 2

    Purchase Units - Americans
        Americans buy 3 fighters; Remaining resources: 9 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Americans
        1 bomber moved from United Kingdom to Baltic States
        1 fighter moved from United Kingdom to Atlantic Sea Zone
        3 fighters moved from United States to Atlantic Sea Zone
        1 transport moved from South Atlantic Sea Zone to Azores Sea Sea Zone

    Combat - Americans
        Battle in Baltic States
            Americans attack with 1 bomber
            Germans defend with 1 infantry
                Americans roll dice for 1 bomber in Baltic States, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Baltic States, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Baltic States
            Americans win with 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Americans
        1 bomber moved from Baltic States to Ukraine S.S.R.

    Place Units - Americans
        3 fighters placed in United States

    Turn Complete - Americans
        Americans collect 30 PUs; end with 39 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Americans regular : 0.33
Germans regular : -0.33

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In case you’re concerned with my current moves, my proposed “altered strategy” was effectively ruined by how disastrous the German opener was (I intentionally gave you 70% @ Ukraine with the hopes that you would not attempt to take it). I am more or less flying by the seat of my pants at this point in the hope that the dice turn around somewhere.

I’m sure you were already expecting this, but I am going to ask for a do-over once the dust settles on this one.

@VictoryFirst So the UK DD dies while the US one lives. Feel free to make that edit during your Germany turn. It would not have changed anything that I did.

@VictoryFirst 0/13 hits. I’m approaching TGC’s level of bad luck lol.

Jokes aside, will work on my move later this afternoon.

@The_Good_Captain Do you want to fight to the death again? USSR’s turn is already over so you’re not blocking income anymore but you may be able to kill the carriers if my luck continues to trend badly. From what I can tell, in this edition Submarines do not get sneak-attack rolls when on defense; only offense.

@The_Good_Captain Game History

Round: 4

    Actions - Russians
        Russians takes action: Action UKPays1PUs
        Action UKPays1PUs activates a trigger called: Trigger UKPays1PUs
        Trigger UKPays1PUs: British met a national objective for an additional -1 PUs; end with 16 PUs

    Purchase Units - Russians
        Russians buy 6 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Russians
        1 armour moved from Belorussia to Ukraine S.S.R.
        1 fighter moved from Caucasus to Baltic States
        1 bomber moved from Caucasus to Baltic States

    Combat - Russians
        Battle in Ukraine S.S.R.
            Russians attack with 1 armour
            Germans defend with 1 aaGun and 1 infantry
                Russians roll dice for 1 armour in Ukraine S.S.R., round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Ukraine S.S.R.
            Russians win, taking Ukraine S.S.R. from Germans with 1 armour remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
        Battle in Baltic States
            Russians attack with 1 bomber and 1 fighter
            Germans defend with 1 infantry
                Russians roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 fighter in Baltic States, round 2 : 2/2 hits, 1.17 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Baltic States, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Baltic States
            Russians win with 1 bomber and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Russians
        1 bomber and 1 fighter moved from Baltic States to Leningrad
        5 infantry moved from Karelia to Russia
        2 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from Leningrad to Russia
        4 armour moved from Belorussia to Leningrad
        8 infantry moved from Stalingrad to Turkestan
        1 aaGun moved from Stalingrad to Belorussia
        3 artilleries and 41 infantry moved from Belorussia to Russia

    Place Units - Russians
        6 infantry placed in Moscow

    Turn Complete - Russians
        Russians collect 22 PUs; end with 22 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Germans regular : -0.67
Russians regular : 1.33

Game History

Round: 4

    Purchase Units - British
        British buy 2 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - British
        2 carriers and 4 fighters moved from Soviet Convoy Sea Zone to North Sea Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from Celtic Sea Sea Zone to North Atlantic Sea Zone
        1 transport moved from Celtic Sea Sea Zone to English Channel Sea Zone
        1 armour moved from United Kingdom to English Channel Sea Zone
        1 armour moved from English Channel Sea Zone to France
              British take France from Germans
        1 armour, 1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Palestine to Syria
        1 infantry moved from Caucasus to Turkestan
        2 fighters moved from Stalingrad to Leningrad

    Combat - British

    Non Combat Move - British

    Place Units - British
        2 transports placed in English Channel Sea Zone

    Turn Complete - British
        British collect 17 PUs; end with 17 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Game History

Round: 4

    Purchase Units - Americans
        Americans buy 2 infantry, 1 submarine and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 6 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Americans
        4 fighters moved from United States to North Sea Sea Zone
        3 fighters moved from United Kingdom to Leningrad
        4 fighters moved from North Sea Sea Zone to Vyborg
        1 bomber moved from Caucasus to Vyborg

    Combat - Americans
        Battle in Vyborg
            Americans attack with 1 bomber and 4 fighters
            Germans defend with 2 infantry
                Americans roll dice for 1 bomber and 4 fighters in Vyborg, round 2 : 3/5 hits, 2.67 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 2 infantry in Vyborg, round 2 : 2/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                1 fighter owned by the Americans and 1 bomber owned by the Americans lost in Vyborg
                2 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Vyborg
            Americans win with 3 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is -21
            Casualties for Americans: 1 bomber and 1 fighter
            Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Americans
        3 fighters moved from Vyborg to Leningrad

    Place Units - Americans
        1 submarine and 2 transports placed in U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone
        2 infantry placed in United States

    Turn Complete - Americans
        Americans collect 36 PUs; end with 42 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Americans regular : 0.33
Germans regular : 1.33

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Am rapidly realizing my previous guess about the ME was wrong. The Atlantic really is the end-all/be-all here because of the convoy spaces.

@The_Good_Captain
Game History

Round: 5

    Purchase Units - Americans
        Americans buy 1 fighter, 1 infantry, 1 submarine and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Americans
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        6 fighters moved from Leningrad to Baltic States
        4 fighters moved from English Channel Sea Zone to Karelia
        EDIT: 1 submarine and 2 transports moved from U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone to Mid-Atlantic Sea Zone

    Combat - Americans
        Battle in Baltic States
            Americans attack with 6 fighters
            Germans defend with 1 infantry
                Americans roll dice for 6 fighters in Baltic States, round 2 : 3/6 hits, 3.00 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Baltic States, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Baltic States
            Americans win with 6 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Americans
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        6 fighters moved from Baltic States to Moscow
        EDIT: 1 submarine and 2 transports moved from Mid-Atlantic Sea Zone to U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone

    Place Units - Americans
        1 submarine and 2 transports placed in U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone
        1 fighter and 1 infantry placed in United States

    Turn Complete - Americans
        Americans collect 30 PUs; end with 32 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Americans regular : 0.00
Germans regular : -0.33

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No G6 Moscow this time but the FTR pipeline is gone and US is more or less paralyzed for the immediate future. Germany is probably going to win but I’m still interested in seeing where things go from here.

@The_Good_Captain said in TGC (Germany) vs Doman (Allies) Europe, oob:

@DoManMacgee also, I added 4 IPC to the USA economy since nothing was lost by moving to the Southern USA convoy zone, freeing it, then returning to the embattled zone

That was me misunderstanding the rules. I thought you couldn’t leave the “contested” zone and then return in the same move, but re-reading the rules nothing explicitly prohibits it. Thanks.

@VictoryFirst AAE-game14-R5.tsvg

10% with USSR attacking Moscow was better than <1% with Germans attacking Moscow. GG.

@The_Good_Captain Yeah. Similar to what I tried Vs. VictoryFirst in our game (which also regrettably didn’t work out) was the last-ditch-effort to leave Moscow and attack back into it instead of defending. That would have at least eliminated the German air-factor (or alternatively let me throw all the allied air at Berlin), but of course that’s still grasping at straws and did not work out.

@VictoryFirst Between the games with you + the games with TGC I am good to concede that my plan with the Fighters did not work (or at least, it has significant counterplay that can defeat mine as long as Germany deviates from the script of “winning on turn 6”)

We can do TGC’s balance suggestion. Under that alternate setup I am probably going to use a more “normal” plan as Allies as I do not feel Germany will have the overwhelming advantage they currently enjoy. We will see how it goes.

@VictoryFirst With that result, USSR Sub submerges. Just wanted to see if I’d get the extremely improbable event where all of your dice somehow missed. Carry on.

@VictoryFirst The entire UK airforce (3 FTR/1 BOMB) exchanged for 1 BB/1 TT on turn 1. That was a 1% outcome and had it gone normally (1 bomber dies, the 3 fighters live) Moscow would be ~40%. Will post turns later to play the game out.

Beyond my complaining about the dice, I also feel that I made a number of overly risky moves throughout the game that did not pay off (I got the Soviet Bomber/Fighter killed as well by trying strafes that did not work out). I also don’t think I played very efficiently with the US/UK navies in terms of getting troops into Europe.

Basically, I think Allies are too strong with this setup. I had miserable luck and played badly and Germany still only had ~70-73% on Berlin. In a more equal game I think Allies should be winning most of the time. I think Germany should be allowed to get their Romanian Infantry or the Bay of Biscay Sub back. However, I do agree that Germany should not have their 12 IPC bid at game start. I said as much in the other thread we were all posting in yesterday.

@VictoryFirst Yeah that’s fine. Let’s at least play the last turn of this game first for the sake of completion.