Posts made by DeviantScripter

@F_alk:

btw, did i mention that i think the US are really bad hypocrits when it comes to sexual matters? Where is the freedom here?

I kinda picked up on that… :wink:

@F_alk:

Well, i’d rather allow two censenting adults to do what they want, than allow anyone and everyone to own a gun. The later one can do a lot more damage than the first two.
Why cut down personal freedom when it does not affect public safety?

Of course gun’s can do a lot more damage, nobody is arguing that. If I stole millions of dollars from a corporation, that doesn’t affect public safety either…should I be allowed to do that?

@Yanny:

English is the dominating language in business. Americans tend to forget money isnt everything.

What is the connection between English being the dominant language and American forgetting that money isn’t everything?

It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see the common theme running through those last five people. The more reasonable approach, however, would be to look at the crimes that they committed. I’m willing to bet that they’re not your casual shoplifter.

Where is that coming from? I fail to see the correlation between the two. Why are you taking the decisions of our country to such extremes as genocide?

F_alk, your information is mis-leading. Here are the actual facts. You fail to mention that those last 5 “juveniles” executed in Texas were not executed when they were under-age. Here are the facts:

Name: T.J. Jones
Executed: 8/8/02
State: Texas
Race: Black
Age Convicted: 17
Age Executed: 25
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Name: Napoleon Beazley
Executed: 5/28/02
State: Texas
Race: Black
Age Convicted: 17
Age Executed: 25

Name: Gerald Mitchell
Executed: 10/22/01
State: Texas
Race: Black
Age Convicted: 17
Age Executed: 33

Name: Shaka Sankofa (Gary Graham)
Executed: 6/22/00
State: Texas
Race: Black
Age Convicted: 17
Age Executed: 36

Name: Glen McGinnis
Executed: 1/25/00
State: Texas
Race: Black
Age Convicted: 17
Age Executed: 27

@F_alk:

Hmmmm….

so … selling your body is wrong.

But:
selling the power of your muscles is not?
selling the view of your body is not?
selling your mind / ideas is not ?
Is it prostitution to become a movie star ( you effectively sell your private life) … or to become a politician (where you sell your ideals to the industry) ?

Why do you oppose selling sex?

It’s not the body part that’s bad. If that was the case, then nobody would be allowed to have sex. The part that affects us is what it leads to: degredation of self, STD’s, emotional and physical damage. Prostitution is associated with numerous other things that are also bad, such as drug usage, and child prostitution rings. If prostitution was legalized, it’s not likely that these problems would just magically “disappear.” Moreover, I don’t think that two consenting adults should be able to do whatever they want, there needs to be limits to everything. There are immoral actions that affect us everyday, and the epidemic is only getting worse with time. Look at pre-marital sex and the effect it has had on this country. Children are more likely to enter a life of crime if they’re raised in a single parent family (I’m referring to divorce in addition to pre-marital sex.) Now, unless you can convince me that all these problems would cure themselves if prostitution was legalized, I don’t see how legalizing prostitution can benefit society in general.

@F_alk:

(And for yb and deviant scripter: this is not an attack on america, this is not a justification for underage prostitution)

Hehe F_alk, I guess I’m too predictable. :D
YB, we’ll have to change our strategy now… :wink:

@Yanny:

And I would say, your American Goverment has killed it’s own, indiginous, people. It has used Chemical, Biological, and Nuclear weapons. Your country just has bigger guns and can rule through force.

No, our country rules through smart decisions that benefit it’s people. Unlike Saddam, who rules through personal decisions that further his own political status.

@F_alk:

The one country that once more has defied the UN / human rights ( a guy in texas was killed/ capital punished, for a murder that he did/ would have done when he was 17 ! That is against internatiopnal law!).

What are you talking about? Please explain this Texas situation so we can understand it.

Ok, this situation with Iraq reminds me of the same situation during World War II. I hear the main argument against attacking Saddam right now is “lack of proof.” Does anyone remember back in WWII, when we heard bits and pieces of a so-called “holocaust” and that the German army was exterminating Jews? We hesitated because America didn’t actually have “proof” that the Jews were being exterminated, and it’s the same situation now. How long do we have to wait until it’s too late?

@Jazz:

If an Iraq civilian gets a hangnail from U.S. bombing CNN will have 24 hour coverage for a week.

(Laughing my ass off!) :lol: :lol:

@TG:

The problem is that the “could of” has already happened. Of course when things that “should of” happened do occur, it would’ve already been too late.

Perfectly said. :wink:

@Yanni:

He will not provoke us in any way.

You’re probably right in one aspect. He will not provoke us directly. But on the same token…he doesn’t have to. Why would he provoke us directly? He can fund terrorist organizations and hand off chemical and biological weapons to them, all while keeping his hands clean of American evidence!

@F_alk:

You really want the whole list?
I just start with: economic dictatorship over other ppl, making them colonies effectively. Ignoring any other ppls/religions interest, regardless how important it may be for that ppl/religion! Have you really been surprised that terrorists would take the battle to your home some day…. then you have not learned anything!
These just for starters.

What do you mean by economic dictatorship? Define that please.
Ignoring other people’s religion? C’mon F_alk, you know as well as I do that America bends over backwards not to step on anyone’s feet (religion wise.) Wasn’t it us who just outlawed the word “God” in our national anthem? Don’t we kill our own babies because mother’s should have a “choice”. Where’s the morality in that?

Wow, I can’t believe what I’m reading. :o You sound like you’re justifying terrorist attacks on America.

Good point. But long term, look where Russia is now.

I understand what you’re saying Crypt, and I think there’s a word for that: propaganda.

@bossk:

My deviant friend forgets about the massive population and industrial capacity of the Soviet Union during the war. Another product of feelings of western superiority and the cold war; the only reason the Russians where able to do so well against the Germans was becuase they had superior numbers and got rather lucky, right? Yet another reason to distrust western historians (although they seem to be getting better).

Actually No, I didn’t forget about anything. The Russians’ were superior soldiers’ when it came to adapting to the weather conditions, something the overconfident German’s could not handle.

@Field:

Deviant:Scripter - it is clear that the US “administration” is doing all that is noble to rebuild Afghanistan. Ask 10 US citizens if the over 750 million dollar price tag the President wants is OK with them. This is the point I’m making. Do US taxpayers like to nonchalantly hand over their hard earned money to foreign countries? Add on the cost of the military campaign. Double this amount for Iraq. Just in aid over 1.5 billion US taxpayer money to someone else! If you answer a quick “yes”, I’s say you don’t financially support yourself, let alone a family. This is what is important to the US people overall. Ask your family, friends, neighbors, co-workers, etc., etc. If you don’t believe this your kidding yourself. Ask those same ten US citizens how many of them think that this money could be used better to help AMERICANS! Noble help to foreign countries is one thing; food on the table is quite more on their minds.

I’ll say again (like in my post before last) that this is not my personal opinion. This is merely an observation made talking to family, friends, neighbors, co-workers, etc. here in New England. Ask people in your own part of America. I really don’t think you’ll find much variation. Do mothers, wifes, and children want their sons, husbands, and fathers in harm’s way again? I doubt it.

As for the Gulf War, we will not be liberating an invaded country this time. We will be the aggressor this time regardless of the motives behind it. If you think the Iraqi’s will just surrender their homes to us without a fight - your dreaming.

I remember Desert Storm quite well. I was in the US Navy at that time…

Field Marshal - Your argument has no basis. The United States of America spends billions to finance humainitarian aid in countries all over the world. Do you think American’s want to give humanitarian aid to anyone? That’s really beyond the point. See, you are trying to seperate two things that are one in the same. You make the correlation between spending money and helping Americans. By spending money to finance a military campaign against a threatening nation IS helping Americans.

Yes, clearly we are going to be the aggressor in the campaign against Iraq. But you especially (being a military serviceman) should realize that our objectives ARE NOT to take over the Iraqi citizens’ homes. What the hell kind of sense does that make? Our attack is not against the civilians, IT IS AGAINST SADDAM.

Why is there so much arrogance when it comes to the European view of looking back on World War II? Maybe this is one possibility for the reason that America is so hesitant to get involved with foreign affairs of this nature. Seems to me like all we get is a bunch of crap regardless of what decision we make.

Europeans need to accept that fact that actually “needed help” and they were lucky that America came to their aid.

@F_alk:

I love the crusades and the antisemitism…. that’s why we exprted all the religious nutcases to the new world, where they had nothing else to do but found a bunch of states for themselves, slaughtering natives in a way that is really interesting.

Yes, we europeans have done a lot of mistakes, but we have learnt something from that. There is no need for you to repeat our mistakes. Just listen every now and then, what others have to say.

I hardly doubt that listening to the European’s would get us anywhere at all. Are you just trying to get a voice in somewhere, because you know that Europe doesn’t hold any real power anymore? Seems to me that you should be asking US for OUR advice. After all, wasn’t it us who saved Europe’s a.s.s in World War II? If it weren’t for the US, Europe would all be speaking German right now. Don’t be so arrogant as to assume that you have the answers to everything.

@F_alk:

You are in your puberty, and probably you hate to take advice from “older” ppl (brothers, sisters, parents, teachers, etc). You probably hate it even more when you have to admit that they were right here and there.

No need to be mean.

@F_alk:

Now: The US is dominating the world for nearly 60 years now. Europe dominated a long time before that. We have done our mistakes. We can see them. You are repeating not each and every, but most of them. There is no need to repeat them, if you listen to “your older brother” and then think!

What mistakes are we repeating? Back up this awfully crappy statement.

@Field:

Deviant:Scripter - My point is clear. Do Americans care, beyond killing the terrorists, what happens to the Afghan people? Probably not. Do they care towns and villages are rebuilt? Do they care if the Afghan people affected by the fighting have proper medical attention and supplies (food / shelter)? Do Americans care if a stable, democratic government is established and maintained? No, they don’t. In Iraq, the situation will be worse. It won’t take much for Saddam to convince most Iraqi’s to resist an American invasion with their lives. If a foreign army marched into your home town, would you care why? This hypothetical army will preach a better government, economics, religion, way of life, etc. Were you happy before they arrived? Would you care why they were here? Kill the invaders, drive them out. It will be a patriotic Iraqi war to repell the invaders, bottom line. Quite obviously, the American administration will be looking for successor group/s. It would be a Vietnam scenario without them. There’s always someone looking to profit from the previous leader’s defiance from the world view. This is probably why we have not invaded already. Again, do Americans give a hoot what happens to the Iraqi’s - the statement “turn it into a parking lot” answers that question…

Oh geez, where do I even start? First of all, yes, America does care immensely about the future of Afganhistan. We do want to see a stable democracy put into place before we leave. That’s why American troops are spending so much time (and our lives) protecting Hamid Karza so that he can establish some control of the warlords of the country.

Secondly, you’re completely wrong in your assumption that America doesn’t care about the health and food situation in Afganhistan.

_Financially, since October 2001, the US has provided Afganhistan with $420 million and the President has all ready pledged another $360 million.

Food wise, the US provides 80 percent of all food aid to UN World Food Program to Afganhistan. The US’s goal is to deliver 300,000 tons of food aid to Afganhistan thru the spring.

To protect people from the weather, the US is providing wool blankets and quilts; shelter kits, plastic sheeting and winterized tents. We’re also distributing mattresses, clothes, stoves, cooking sets, firewood, coal, lanterns and water containers.

Medicine and healthcare: We’ve provided medical kits and funds for health centers and mobile clinics. We’re sponsoring public heath education and programs on hygiene, obstetrics, maternal and childcare, and malnutrition. We’re employing trained personnel to conduct educational outreach on basic health and nutrition, especially to women. We’re helping expectant mothers, training local birth attendants and funding the distribution of vitamins and the immunization of young children.

Communications: Through the International Organization for Migration, we’re distributing over 30,000 radios that allow Afghans to hear special broadcast bulletins concerning food distribution, security, health care and other information relevant to displaced people.

Housing: We are beginning small-scale spot reconstruction like providing materials to rehabilitate damaged housing for returning displaced persons.

Roads and bridges: We’re providing funds to upgrade and rebuild roads, especially to markets, and repair and reconstruct bridges.

Wells and irrigation systems: We’re paying for the drilling of wells, the constructing and repairing of irrigation and water-supply systems, and the operation and maintenance of water pumping systems to provide people with potable water.

Agriculture rehabilitation and seeds: We’re providing training in agricultural techniques and animal husbandry. We producing large quantities of special varieties of seeds and distributing them to farmers to plant in winter to prevent serious food shortages next year.

Income generation: We’re funding “food for work” and “cash for work” programs that enable people to have their nutritional needs met, increase their family income, while helping to rebuild their country._

Marshal, do us all a favor and don’t make blatant statements based on your personal opinion. Iraq is going to be nothing like a Veitnam situation. Did you completely miss Desert Storm?

@Field:

Americans want a quick and easy solution to all problems. Just take take out Iraq and make more “parking space”. They don’t want to deal with the aftermath of our actions. Afghanistan is old news. It’s almost to the point where no one cares. Didn’t we win that months ago ??? That would be the standard response. Raise Iraqi cities to the ground. Then what. What about all the dead and destroyed lives, the dying and suffering, the refugees, the political vaccuums, etc., etc. Americans don’t want to think about these things. Turn off the TV and forget about it. This is the mentality here in New England. Again, I do not endorse such feelings. Not everyone believes in this manner, but it staggers me to see how many do.

First of all, our war wasn’t with Afganhistan, it was with Al-Qaeda, and it’ll follow them wherever they hide. Did we go in and bomb every house and kill every civilian? Of course not. So what makes you think we’re going to do it with Iraq? Where are you getting your information from Field Marshall…I question it’s reliability.

@Yanny:

Yes we have YB. But, our Businesses take advantage of the worlds worst poverty for a profit. We control the world like the Romans, people go along with us not to help us but in fear.

True, but there are other aspects to consider. Some of those same businessmen spend more on humanitarian aid then does the US altogether. For example, consider Bill Gates. He dumps $10 billion dollars into AIDS research like it’s pocket change. Altogether, he’s spent more on AIDS research than the US has. This isn’t to mention all the other charities and organizations that he’s funded.

Ok, Ok. I’m sorry. I’ll have to quit generalizing about Canada now, I can see that now everyone up there is like the one’s I’ve met. Please accept my apologies. :D