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Why UK1 to sz37 (East Indies Japanese fleet) is not good (maybe)

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REAL MEN, WOMEN, AND FUZZY CREATURES FROM ALPHA CENTAURI

(and people of other genders who are also real, particularly those that have read Douglas Adams)

Not much point in spending time on straw men, so what’s really going on?

COUNTERPRESSURE - LOSING A BATTLESHIP IS OK

Games between competent opponents are not a matter of force this, force that, or whatever silly things some like to write to pretend they are in total unrealistic command over a situation.

Your opponent has choices. Choices that have consequences.

I’ve written elsewhere some general notes about KJF defense, probably to the effect that J can build subs, then later fighters when the Allies apply too much pressure to the sea zones around Japan so Japan doesn’t want to build new navy, that J should try to capture India.

Roughly, subs are cheap attackers, an opponent must move their navy into range before they themselves can attack, and when they do, Japan can use those subs to fuel a vicious counter, before the opponent can get an attack off. Though Japan “defends”, it does so by attacking, that is, counterpressure.

Think about how this applies to the aftermath of UK1 to sz37. Japan loses a battleship and a carrier. The carrier frankly was not great on attack. The battleship was useful and could soak a hit, but actually couldn’t be used in many counterpressure situations, as hitting an opponent fleet would likely leave that battleship vulnerable to being destroyed by an opponent counter.

Only if an opponent moved a fleet into range where it could be completely destroyed, and the opponent had no counter, would a battleship really be useful. Make sense?

But competent opponents are not likely to do that.

So you can see where J has another destroyer, which can usefully hunt subs, which is yet considered expendable, and is cheap insofar as naval battles go, considering it can defend against air while subs can’t - at any rate, you can see how it can be more useful to counterpressure than a battleship. It doesn’t seem to make sense, but when it’s understood the destroyer may be considered fully expendable where the battleship is not, there it is.

If the battleship were fully expendable, then of course it’s more useful than a destroyer - but nobody likes to throw away battleships, they’re pretty useful and too costly to replace. So there it is.

COUNTERPRESSURE - LOSING FIGHTERS IS OKAY - BECAUSE -

If Japan defends with counterpressure and the battleship wasn’t such a big loss, then what about the loss of fighters? Fighters are obviously great at counterpressure.

Except not so much. That seems ridiculous; fighters seem to be the essence of counterpressure; they hit, they retreat, they are not vulnerable to attack (mostly).

But counterpressure is a matter of application as well as abstraction.

Suppose UK1 does not hit sz37 and Japan has six fighters two carriers to apply counterpressure. Besides cleaning up UK assets in Indian and Pacific Oceans, exactly where does J want to have counterpressure?

J wants to threaten the India sea zone to prevent any UK naval buys from getting going. J wants to threaten the east Australia sea zone if not hitting Hawaiian Islands fleet to prevent US from moving a fleet there with two fighters and a third fighter to West Canada, then on US2 moving those fighters to India. (Though this US action is too late against an Axis pressure line threatening G3 West Russia. A bit more on that later, and I expect I’ll do a writeup on the G3 W Rus line itself in another thread). J also wants to threaten the Iwo Jima sea zone and the zone north of it; if the US unites fleet there, it can threaten both J’s sea zones which pressures against J building any new naval units unless bringing its entire fleet back to defend the sea zone, which in turn restricts J’s freedom to move ground units where it wants (typically Yunnan).

J can counterpressure with navy at the Philippines sea zone, but fighters are a problem. Placing J1 fighters at Kwangtung allows J2 to support a G2 Ukraine push and hold attempt, but most of those fighters do not have range to some of those critical zones. Four fighters only can typically be used for counterpressure; those fighters that can land on carriers.

If UK1 hits sz37, I’ve argued elsewhere that J1 buys a carrier - not because I like it. I very much do not like it; I typically argue against tactically inflexible units, and I’ve commented that after a J1 buy, the Allies can go KGF, leaving any dedicated naval investment useless.

But a J1 carrier is immensely useful. It is a powerful defender, joined by sub, two destroyers, and cruiser along with two already existing fighters for defense against air threats. It also extends effective fighter range for counterpressure.

If carriers and fighters are great, why not buy more? The answer is, after UK1 to sz37, Japan already has fighters to fill a second carrier. Japan does not have any more fighters to fill a third and would have to buy them - quite expensive, and very possibly not the best use of resources.

As to if the Allies do not hit sz37, two carriers is adequate to a range of early air threats and additional counterpressure and control should mostly come through subs, destroyers, or tactically flexible fighters that don’t tie defense down.

In practice, a J1 carrier may not help to counterpressure the aforementioned sea zones, for J2 at least. In theory, fighters landed on the new carrier could reach the various sea zones, but there’s often reason to put fighters elsewhere (like Kwangtung).

At any rate, remember anti-KJF is not strictly about stacking defense, but about counterpressure, and loss of 2 J fighters is not necessarily critical.
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L25 BM BombsAway (Axis) v simon33 (Allies + 20)

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@simon33 edited my plane casualty in Hawaii, swapping a fig for a tac.
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L25 PtV Mikawagunichi vs Arthurbomberharris (X+12)

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TripleA Turn Summary: Italians round 21
TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory

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Round: 21 Purchase Units - Italians Italians buy 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Italians 1 infantry moved from Northern Belarus to Southern Belarus 1 bomber moved from Leningrad to Southern Belarus 2 armour, 2 artilleries and 8 infantry moved from Anglo-Egyptian Sudan to French Equatorial Africa 1 infantry moved from French Central Africa to French West Africa Italians take French West Africa from Americans 1 artillery moved from French Central Africa to Nigeria Italians take Nigeria from British Combat - Italians Battle in Southern Belarus Italians attack with 1 bomber and 1 infantry Russians defend with 1 infantry Italians roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 infantry in Southern Belarus, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Southern Belarus, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Southern Belarus 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Southern Belarus Italians win with 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Battle in French Equatorial Africa Italians attack with 2 armour, 2 artilleries and 8 infantry Americans defend with 1 infantry Italians roll dice for 2 armour, 2 artilleries and 8 infantry in French Equatorial Africa, round 2 : 4/12 hits, 3.33 expected hits Americans roll dice for 1 infantry in French Equatorial Africa, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in French Equatorial Africa 1 infantry owned by the Americans lost in French Equatorial Africa Italians win, taking French Equatorial Africa from Americans with 2 armour, 2 artilleries and 7 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry Casualties for Americans: 1 infantry Non Combat Move - Italians 2 bombers moved from Poland to Southern Italy 1 bomber moved from Southern Belarus to Southern Italy 2 artilleries and 7 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Yugoslavia 1 aaGun, 2 artilleries and 17 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Southern Italy 1 armour moved from Romania to Baltic States 1 armour moved from Romania to Baltic States Place Units - Italians 1 infantry placed in Northern Italy 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber placed in Southern Italy Turn Complete - Italians Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 2 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 74 Sea Zone. Rolls: 5,3 Italians collect 23 PUs (2 lost to blockades); end with 23 PUs
Combat Hit Differential Summary :
Americans regular : 0.67 Italians regular : 1.00 Russians regular : 0.67
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"How to play games with players of my level"

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@ManuC23
Maybe hop on the Discord (not officially supported but eh)

https://discord.gg/UYUpgeQW

ask around, find players you like to play with.
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TripleA Turn Summary: Dutch round 3
TripleA Turn Summary for game: World At War

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Round: 3 Combat Move - Dutch 1 Destroyer moved from 114 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone Purchase Units - Dutch Dutch buy 1 Factory; Remaining resources: 6 PUs; Non Combat Move - Dutch Place Units - Dutch 1 Factory placed in Suriname Turn Complete - Dutch Dutch collect 17 PUs; end with 23 PUs
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@Witt said in Squirecam Witt G42 (Axis +6):

@squirecam I agree that ICs work well.
Japan worried me the most in the first three games though. Buying as you did on J1 and going for Hawaii , so I could not advance against you , worried me and caused me to go all Subs .
Perhaps , if you did that and went all out for Moscow, one side would win , as the US can’t invest on both maps .

As Germany, I think you left too many units in the West in that last game . They would have been better utilised vs Russia .
I barely held Bryansk and was sure you would have had Moscow, but it didn’t happen.

So i have to leave troops in the west for Gencon purposes. The Gencon games go 6-7 rounds and the Axis must either take India/Hawaii VC or have 125 ipc at the end of the game. I needed the troops to “take” Spain and Portugal, as well as sweeden and perhaps turkey, for the IPC if necessary (and it would have been because I couldn’t reach 125 without them). In our game I was going to overwhelm Bryansk in a few rounds as I could add 9 directly into lenningrad. The next turn i was adding 13 or 14 to my stack. The problem was I would need my planes to attack and that would place the med fleet at issue.

I don’t think I can take Hawaii from you anymore as you have defended it well now. I’d have to buy an ic and be content with trading it.

I can try the IC idea if you are willing to play one more.
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TripleA Turn Summary: Americans round 4
TripleA Turn Summary for game: The Rising Sun

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Round: 4 Combat Move - Americans 1 EarlyFighter moved from Johnston to Marcus 1 Tank moved from Pikelot to Ifalk 1 Artillery moved from Gaferut to Ifalk Purchase Units - Americans Trigger AmericansSpecial: Americans has their production frontier changed to: AmericansFrontierSpecial Americans buy 1 B.Carrier, 1 Bunker, 3 Destroyers, 1 Factory and 8 Marines; Remaining resources: 3 PUs; Combat - Americans Battle in Ifalk Americans attack with 1 Artillery and 1 Tank Yamamoto defend with 2 Infantrys Americans roll dice for 1 Artillery and 1 Tank in Ifalk, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.83 expected hits Yamamoto roll dice for 2 Infantrys in Ifalk, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits 1 Infantry owned by the Yamamoto lost in Ifalk Americans roll dice for 1 Artillery and 1 Tank in Ifalk, round 3 : 1/2 hits, 0.83 expected hits Yamamoto roll dice for 1 Infantry in Ifalk, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 Infantry owned by the Yamamoto lost in Ifalk Americans win, taking Ifalk from Yamamoto with 1 Artillery and 1 Tank remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4 Casualties for Yamamoto: 2 Infantrys Non Combat Move - Americans 1 Infantry moved from Pikelot to Gaferut 1 Artillery moved from Pikelot to Gaferut 2 Infantrys moved from Lasap to Pula 1 Infantry moved from Samar to S 1 Tank moved from Magadan to Vostok 1 Infantry moved from Magadan to Yakutsk 10 Infantrys moved from Palana to Magadan 1 Destroyer moved from sz20 to sz9 4 Battleships, 2 Carriers, 1 Cruiser, 1 Destroyer, 4 EarlyFighters and 2 Submarines moved from sz20 to sz11 1 Fighter moved from Kauai to Wake 2 Artillerys moved from Hilo to sz25 1 Infantry moved from Hilo to sz25 2 Artillerys, 1 B.Transport, 1 Carrier, 2 Fighters and 1 Infantry moved from sz25 to sz11 2 Artillerys and 1 Infantry moved from sz11 to Midway 1 Submarine moved from sz4 to sz3 2 Destroyers moved from sz4 to sz3 1 Infantry and 1 Tank moved from Alaska to sz4 2 B.Transports moved from sz4 to sz5 8 Marines moved from N.Canada to sz5 2 B.Transports and 8 Marines moved from sz5 to sz4 1 Infantry, 8 Marines and 1 Tank moved from sz4 to Palana 8 Marines moved from San Francisco to sz23 2 B.Transports and 8 Marines moved from sz23 to sz14 8 Marines moved from sz14 to Seattle 3 Artillerys, 1 Infantry and 2 Tanks moved from Anchorage to Alaska 1 Infantry moved from N.Canada to Anchorage 1 Infantry moved from British Columbia to N.Canada Place Units - Americans 1 Bunker and 1 Factory placed in Wake 2 Destroyers placed in sz4 1 B.Carrier and 1 Destroyer placed in sz25 8 Marines placed in San Francisco Turn Complete - Americans Americans collect 90 PUs; end with 93 PUs
Combat Hit Differential Summary :
Yamamoto regular : -1.00 Americans regular : 0.33
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