Posts made by cystic crypt

ahhh Moses, you liberal you. Nice idea, but we need now to invoke a massive series of steps in order to insure quality of product, education of the people, and keeping drugs away from children. Then you have the societal problems (alcohol being the heavyweight currently in causing these). Also the public purse tends to get squeezed quite a bit by the drug users - both in terms of lost productivity, as well as rehabilitation (how many drug users wish they never started?), clinical sequelae and treatments, family issues, crime-to-support-drug-habits, and other social issues. Finally (and i know this is a weak argument already, ok?) we already have tons of legislation out there in place to protect people from themselves in order to prevent the above listed consequences - seatbelt laws, helmet laws, pharmaceuticals that never make it to market for some FDA/health Canada reason, jaywalking laws, even suicide is legislated (rather stupidly). This is in the name of the public good/fiscal responsibility of politicians etc. I will reitirate, tho’, that users (esp of "soft drugs) should not be made criminals b/c of their addiction or enjoyment of the drug, but do need to be made aware of the consequences. Dealers on the other hand . . . .

quote: hehe at the U of Guelph you can take corses on hydroponics and how to properly use it.

BC and Ontario pot, some of tthe finest in the world.

Dude, you totally havn’t been paying attention. Manitoba Marijuana is where it’s at. We received a fair bit of American attention for growing the good stuff. Speaking of which, Flin Flon, a northern communitee is the site of gov’t grown Mary Jane.
Re: Medicinal Marijuana - you can get similar pain relief from a couple of tylenol (according to one study anyway). We need REAL studies, not the anecdotes of some cancer victims before we may consider marijuana to be of any medicinal use (also see echinacea, etc.)
Re: Legality. I think that the Cdn gov’t should decriminalize marijuana use. Possibly a fine might be a little handy, and trafficers should be treated the same as smugglers, but sending pot-heads to prison is doing no one any good. I am in favor of putting both marijuana and tobacco in the same legal context as marijuana does not appear to kill as many people second-hand as tobacco does.

3 words:
Hip, Fully Completely

go Canada!!!

oh, whoops. I forgot.
we suck.
maybe i should start a hockey post . . . .
But i gotta’ admit, i’m starting to get drawn in to the world cup thing a little (this despite being a north american . . . ).

a couple of fyi’s
Billy Bishop of Ontario Canada shot down 72 planes in WWI, duked it out with the Red Baron (ended in a draw)and trained pilots in WWII (and even starred in a movie about himself after the war).
Also another Canadian shot down the Red Baron:
On April 21,1918, Richthofen’s squadron of Fokker triplanes pounced upon a pair of Australian artillery spotting aircraft.
The Germans then were attacked by a flight of Sopwith Camels from 209 SQN, Royal Flying Core, led by Captain Roy Brown (Ontario, Canada).
In the confusion of the dogfight, Richthofen spotted a Camel disengaging due to jammed guns. The Red Baron was careless, while intent on chasing May’s plane he did not see Roy Brown diving onto his own tail. With a single burst of fire Brown ended the Red Baron’s life.
The Red Baron was buried with full military honors in the war cemetery at Bertangles, France. In 1925 his remains were returned to Germany and reinterred in Berlin’s Invaliden Cemetery.
CC

Moses - all interesting and fair points.
still thought it sucked tho’. I was in a pain not felt since . . .
:smile:

I finally saw it yesterday. It hurt. I loved the first 3/saw them in theaters (yes, i’m that old) - especially ROTJ. The Phantom Menace was a little bit painful, but i found that i was slapping myself upside my head to avoid the deeper pain of the movie. The “Romeo and Juliette” meets “Gladiator” motifs killed an otherwise amazing series for me. The “Lord of the Rings” (army making scenes), clone-war, Jedi-ruling-ass scenes, and some of the chase scenes were the few bright spots in a dreck-filled movie with bad, bland acting, worse dialogue, and an unnecessary love-story with a lot of whining by Anakin. oh yeah, and the movie’s other saving grace were it’s special effects, the cinematography (looked like a little “Blade Runner”, no?) and the Yoda-on-amphetamines (although i did like Portman’s outfits from time to time :smile: ).
Now the first 3 had it all. Star destroyers, storm-troopers marching all over the place, cowboys-on-pieces of junk (millenium falcons, as it were), and Alec Guinness. Oh yeah, and LEAH! Now there’s a WOMAN!!!
Also i agree that TESB is the greatest so far. Hoth, cloud city, star destroyers, a very demanding Vadar, strong acting all around with the possible exception of Mark Hamel who really grew into his character.
flame away.

sorry Moses,
i’m a Canadian. We have better health care here (i.e. less than 70th percentile on the American board exams is reason for a departmental shake-up) and fewer African-Americans and Puerto-Ricans. But compare us to most of Asia and sub-saharan Africa, and we’re doing ok.

FinsterniS my friend, you just hit on the truth about human evolution. Not only do the people with low IQ’s manage to not find their way out of the gene pool, however they seem more predisposed to having children. The high IQ people are usually too busy earning money to make children, but the dumb ones pump 'em out like poop through a cow. Like it or not, the human race has become too “civilized” to allow for the untimely (or timely, depending on your perspective) demise of these stupid creatures, especially in N.A. society where infant mortality is nearly the lowest in the world, and we live longer than most, and we have universal welfare/healthcare systems to keep the unfortunates alive.

Moses - fair enough.
and we have murder in the first degree, murder in the second degree, manslaughter, and self-defence as well (our justice, and gov’t systems based more on British law than American). Just no capital punishment. But despite the fact that we are so much more civilized then you Americans (jk) we still manage to wrongfully convict people for murder. If it can happen here, why not Texas? (of course that’s missing the larger point that society should not be killing people :smile: )

my (admittedly limited) experience has shown that even with decent Allies, Russia should fall within the first 6 turns or so for the Axis to force the Allies to at least concede the game. The longer the Allies hold out, the surer their victory is. An aggressive focussed attack by the Axis can bring about swift victory tho’ - and this is without Russia restricted.

BTW: What’s the IPC victory condition for the Allies? I know it can’t be 84. - moses

You’re mostly right. Usually by the time the Axis have 84 Russia’s either fallen, or they are down to their last 18-10 IPC’s.
I don’t believe Allies have an IPC victory (and yes, 84 isn’t nearly enough). They get to take 2 capitals (but usually once Germany falls, it’s all over but the crying - unless you are Germany, and then you’re sometimes already crying).

quote: Then Crypt agreed whole hartedly with Moses. -y/b

Didn’t happen. Not once. Moses and i are ideologically opposed on this one, and you and i are in the same camp. Maybe i don’t take the issue as seriously as you. I can’t remember the last time we had a good 'ole execution up here. It’s a dead issue in Canada (i hope).

quote: Shame on you crypt, he damned you for your BS and then you took his BS and liked it. - yourbuttocks

this hurts. almost. 'cept i’m not really sure what you are talking about. are you pi**ed at me 'cuz i appreciate an intelligent point brought up by an adversary? Or do you think i’m wrong? About what? Who’s BS? And which of mine was BS?
I agree with your post, except for the personal attacks against Moses. And me.

FinsterniS - made you post :smile:

and i think you’re english is excellent. once i realized that you’re ESL, i modified my assumptions considerably.
although i agree with you about capital punishment, i could not suggest that the U.S. is as a society not-evolved b/c of their choice (well, 'cept maybe Texas). I think Canada would still be considered evolved, even if Alberta decided that capital punishment was appropriate. Also given the age of the U.S. it is quite evolved, finally looking beyond themselves (to a small degree). True they elect people like G. Bush, but everyone makes mistakes. Look at the popularity of extremists in “evolved” Europe today - Austria, Holland (well, not anymore), France, Germany. Only the minority buys into the rhetoric, but the fact is they do have some power and to all appearances these countries are evolved (but just one wing-nut in the mix . . .).
Anyway, you get my point, and i have yours. I’ll stop baiting you now :smile: and maybe we’ll see this topic in a new topic post.

quote: Every evolve society (dont read Economy) put aside capital punishment. - F

The use of “evolve(d?)”, like “progressive” and “civilized” is really just a value judgement that you make. You or i saying that an “evolved society does not use capital punishment” makes some assumptions:

1. “evolved” is a good thing
2. capital punishment is bad
3. we know better than others what “evolved” is. What’s more is that we tell people that unless they see things our way that they are not “evolved”. I don’t even know what this word means? Is is supposed to be good? Like we’ve evolved through bad to good? I think you may be committing a philosophical blunder by using Ad Hominem - assaulting a society’s development to assail their stance on capital punishment, or at the very least, assigning using a value that you placed on your argument to argue for it (“i say capital punishment is uncivilized therefore capital punishment is uncivilized”).
   but i could be wrong. I’ve evidently been wrong about you before . . . .

i think it’s 84 Moses. Also the 75 likely includes both Germany’s income and Russia’s prior income. . . although i guess i could have left this reply to dezrtfish as i really don’t know what’s going on.
sorry for butting in.
pre-exam jitters . . . .

That is the question for you to decide. - Moses
me or God. I won’t decide it. (even if i did it wouldn’t make any difference).
my dad sometimes comments that The Lord will decide at the end of it all how these evil people you mentioned will be dealt with. “Vengence is mine saith the Lord. I will repay”. (of course you athiests do not need to respond as you obviously don’t buy in to this “fairy tale ending” :smile:

sorry i don’t have the stats (or energy) to back up my claims, however as Mr. Ghoul can attest there have been a couple of people (David Milgard, Thomas Sophanow) in Winnipeg alone that have served time for murder despite innocence (these would be capital offences in Texas).
Although I disagree with FinsterniS’ albeit emotional rhetoric, i do agree that we are inflicting laws created by men designed to take a life. Do we really have that right? Because we voted for it, or a bunch of men in nice suits in some city decided that justice would be served this way? There surely must be a more civilized approach than a simple “eye for an eye”.
(mind you, i also think that child molesters should be thrown into the general prison population, so i am certainly no moral authority on this, but rather we really need to question the authorities who make this a law).
Also, i know this is a simplistic argument, but i could not perform the injection, pull the lever, what-have-you.
I also disagree with FinsterniS’ assertion that you, Moses, are a monster. You provide an interesting case, but one that relies too much on the emotions of vengence for justice, sympathy for the victims, and justification for death row. We need a little more than 10 years in a hole and a burning desire to see vengence done before we put ourselves in the position of an almighty God in our decision to take a life. (i’m sure that was what FinsterniS was trying to say, no? - joke)

tx for the replies . . .
Moses, you made an interesting point which i was driving at. Although i don’t know the specifics about the research (i was trying to be WW two-y), the question was a hypothetical one -
If research is conducted immorally (according to current societal norms, let’s say), is it appropriate to appropriate the results (with p<0.05) for use today, or should it all be destroyed?

Also FinsterniS, would you use products used on animals for your benefit? (let’s for the sake of a slimmer argument remove meat and pharmaceuticals from the equation - although that might be an interesting series as well)