Yea, I like that method too, at times.
I’ve seen the E. Europe, Ukraine, Belorussia approach too. Gotta be risky has hell, but he successfully destroyed two of my fighters on R1 and a Jap fighter with England on UK1 in FIC.
BTW, I like the 3 Infnatry, 3 Armor buy for R1. Gives you lotsa tanks to play with, especially if you don’t over expose in Ukraine.
how would you take eastern europe,ukraine and belorussia?
Persia:
1. national pride
Many middle easterners were willing to join the war with what every weaponry available
you do not have to have an ic to built infantry your original territories.
2. modern kamikaze
Persia can send any number of infantry to sacrifice itself to invade an adjacent territory and can roll on die and hit the specified unit at a 3 or less. regardless of the infantry hiting ir not they are dead.
3. Oil
forcing the Americans to switch to alternative energy has become a hassle on transportation. As long as you control Saudi Arabia American tanks cannot blitz and if you also control SZ34 eastern America loses 2 ipc for each of the following you control: Saudi Arabia, Israel, and Egypt
Japan:
2. American influence
Over the years the American army has helped much of Japan. With the use of 5 ipc you know have the ability advanced infantry
3. Pacific empire
After the war starts Japan is put in control of the American pacific navy. You and America have joint control over any green navy units that end their turn in the Japan sea SZ60 including any loaded transports but not airplanes. If the American player does not object you can use the units as your own not letting them move them this turn.
United States
1.) Heavy Bombers
US bombers were able to deliver huge payloads to their intended targets.
Bombers attack with 2 dice at 4 or less even on strategic bombing runs.
2.) Long-Range Aircraft
Employing the latest technology, the United States’ airforce could reach further than any other nation’s
Fighters travel 6 spaces. Bombers travel 8 spaces.
3.) Advanced Infantry
the United States with the largest economy allows it to have the most advanced weaponry available. Your infantry attack on a 2 in the first cycle of all combat. Even if supported by artillery, their attack remains 2.
Russia:
1. Russian Winter
Russia’s greatest ally was its winter cold.
Once per the game in your collect income phase, you may declare a severe winter. Until the start of your next turn, your infantry in red territories defend on a 3.
2. samurai code
Believing in the honor of dieing in battle many Chinese and Japanese were willing to die for their country instead of surrender. All Japanese and Chinese infantry defend on a 3 after the 1st round of combat.
3. Trans-Siberian Railway
The Trans-Siberian Railway spanned 10,000 kilometers from Moscow to Vladivostok, the longest main line in the world.
In the noncombat move phase, your infantry, antiaircraft guns, and artillery may move 2 territories per turn only among these territories: Russia, Novosibirsk, Yakut S.S.R., and Buryatia S.S.R.
anyideas for euope naional advtages?
how whould combinging all the infantry that can reach on yakut on R1 affect the Japan. inever did thihs bout it would be like 10inf 2turns from manchuria. as japan manchuria is ussally were my transports drop off so you can treaten the japnese supply line. but would it work or would it cause moscow to fall?
i would personaly not use a fighter in egypt. to take ukraine you have to use the 4inf from the balkans and eastern europe with 1 tank the balkans. you will lose 3 infantry so that is 12ipc versus their 15ipc there is no way to attack the 4inf/1art/1tank in west russia. i would send 3inf from norway. thats an ipc gain of 4ipc because you both will lose one infantry. so your up 7ipc+the 6 from capturing ukraine. russia was up 31 ipc but 31-13=18 so b the end of G1 russia will always be up
option 1:westrussia and ukrain attack 18ipc advantage for russia
option 2:only westrussia 4 ipc advantage.
option 3:belorussia and west russia is 13ipc advantage.
so on the economic level ukraine is teh best with an addtional 5ipc gain. i also like where the units are palced out at the end of the turn too.I totally do not understand your post at all. You would send 3 inf from Norway to Karelia, and gain 4 IPC? But 3 inf only have a 42% chance of destroying a single opponent on the first turn, so using 1/3 * 3 as your calculation is incorrect to subtract 1 from Germany’s IPC gain is incorrect. Please take the time to explain yourself for future posts!
I also seriously think that a habit of assuming “you will lose 3 infantry” is bad. The SINGLE most likely outcome in a game is not going to happen maybe 80+% of the time, because there are any number of outcomes that each have distinctly lesser probabilitiies of happening, but that cumulatively outweigh that single “most probable” outcome. That is my second point.
3infantry vs. 1infantry will mostly win. each infanry atttack on a one so 3times 1 is 3. then you divide and get 1/2. russian infantry divend on a 2 or 1/3. russia will probablly miss and germany will mostly hit the infantry this or nest round. 1/3+1/3=2/3. 1/2 chance of not killing the russian * 1/3 chance of kiiling on the second round or 1/6+1/3 from killing prevously roud =1/2 so you should kill a german infantry half the time in the whole battle. ;et say russia didnot get the kit but germany rolled aone 1st turn. you know go -3ipc. so now that is a 15 ipc advantage. really should be 16.5 ipc.
karelia is worth 2ipc so when you take it from russia that is -2 for russia and +2 for germany. that is how i got the four.
“This is a very extreme example because fighters are normally used with infantry shields, or to attack enemy naval units, and for their ranged threat. But it DOES illustrate my point. Although I agree that early IPC gains are important, I believe that preserving valuable forces for later use and having the correct mixture is ALSO important.”
that is why you lose 3ipc for an infantry death and 4for artilery and 10 for fighters.
“I also seriously think that a habit of assuming “you will lose 3 infantry” is bad. The SINGLE most likely outcome in a game is not going to happen maybe 80+% of the time, because there are any number of outcomes that each have distinctly lesser probabilitiies of happening, but that cumulatively outweigh that single “most probable” outcome. That is my second point.”
your right but the easiest way to predict something is use the outcome with the highest probabilty. ets say 4inf +1 tank attack 3tanks. you will mostly kill two tank and the rusians 2 infantry. then 2inf 1tankVS1tank. my bad i ran thsi through a probailt calcultor for aa and it said 1 extra inf should die.
so you are up a 13.5ipc asvantage which is almost identical to belrussia option. thanks for helping find my mistake in the ukraine option. so i ges all i proved was don’t only attack westrussia but another terrotory too. so i guess it is which option yiu personally like best to do. for me this is ukraine. i don’t like leaving karelia empty and i get to maybe cause a medeterian assult fail for germany nest turn beacuse of the fighter.
hi does anyone know anything about the succession of Russian imperialism. like when you go to wikipedia it tells the who would be king of France if the revolution did not happen. this is traced for a couple of hundred years so the royal Russian family tree should be easy to map. i wasn’t able t find anything. thanks for all input. can you say this 5 times fast?
Ralph remembered the red royal Russians rambling about the rogue royal red rabbits.
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As Germany, I would counterattack with barely enough units to take Ukraine (if Germany doesn’t take Ukraine, that isn’t good, but taking the Ukraine is just a bonus; the key is those 15 IPC of unprotected tanks). Germany also takes Karelia and West Russia. Now on R2, Russia isn’t going to commit in force to the Ukraine, because Germany can counter with 1 bomber, 5 fighters, and various infantry and tanks. So Russia will resort to the usual tradeoff with Germany between Eastern Europe and West Russia, but now Russia’s attack would be 3 tanks weaker, and the consequent reshift of direction against Japan would be
significantly weaker.But WITH the Ukraine attack, Germany either no longer has the safety fighter against the UK destroyer in the Med, or Germany has 1 less fighter to go against Anglo-Egypt, or Germany has to pull a fighter off battleship duty. Pulling a fighter off battleship duty is a big risk, because as it is, the 8 IPC German sub is probably going to bite it, but losing a 10 IPC fighter on top of that is going to hurt. Risking a loaded transport or a battleship is a pretty horrific chance to be taking. So that pretty much means that the Anglo-Egypt attack will be less powerful, so only 1-2 tanks will survive at Anglo-Egypt, so UK can run 3 inf 1 fighter 1 bomber vs Anglo-Egypt UK1, and the Allied fleet can unite off the west of Algeria (because 5 fighter 1 bomber against 1 battleship 1 destroyer 4 transports is a risky attack for Germany that will deplete its air while the Allies easily rebuild their entire fleet). And that means that Germany will NOT have the initiative in Africa at all. To make things worse, to kill the 2-3 Russian tanks in Ukraine, Germany will have to commit ground forces because no air can be spared from all those crucial battles, which means Russia can counter. (Germany can counter that counter, but it depletes Germany’s forward infantry reserves).
i would personaly not use a fighter in egypt. to take ukraine you have to use the 4inf from the balkans and eastern europe with 1 tank the balkans. you will lose 3 infantry so that is 12ipc versus their 15ipc there is no way to attack the 4inf/1art/1tank in west russia. i would send 3inf from norway. thats an ipc gain of 4ipc because you both will lose one infantry. so your up 7ipc+the 6 from capturing ukraine. russia was up 31 ipc but 31-13=18 so b the end of G1 russia will always be up
option 1:westrussia and ukrain attack 18ipc advantage for russia
option 2:only westrussia 4 ipc advantage.
option 3:belorussia and west russia is 13ipc advantage.
so on the economic level ukraine is teh best with an addtional 5ipc gain. i also like where the units are palced out at the end of the turn too.
i don’t see how adding a few extr ipcs is get too economical but i agree with the comment you made tekkyy about how important economy should be. it is just easier to measure the economic asepct than the military. but i am currently doing the national advantages now and need to know the success rate of suce bombers in iraq. the reason is for persia with mordern kamiaze that can send one inf and roll a die to try to kill it even if it is paratropped. there is going to about four national advantges for each country i finshed the us’. i was lazy so i sorta copyed and pasted some of the rules.
USA:
1.) Heavy Bombers(http://axisandallies.metalsaber.com/freemaps/GulfWar/GulfWar.aspx)
US bombers were able to deliver huge payloads to their intended targets.
Bombers attack with 2 dice at 4 or less even on strategic bombing runs.
2.) Long-Range Aircraft(http://axisandallies.metalsaber.com/freemaps/GulfWar/GulfWar.aspx)
Employing the latest technology, the United States’ airforce could reach further than any other nation’s
Fighters travel 6 spaces. Bombers travel 8 spaces.
3.) Advanced Infantry(orginal)
the United States with the largest economy allows it to have the most advanced weaponry available. Your infantry attack on a 2 in the first cycle of all combat. Even if supported by artillery, their attack remains 2.
4.) Stealth Fighters (http://axisandallies.metalsaber.com/freemaps/GulfWar/GulfWar.aspx)
With its ability to hide from enemy radar, stealth fighters could easily hit their targets while avoiding aa fire.
Stealth fighters are immune to AA fire. They hit at a 4 in attack and defense.
if ruusia attacks west Russia and Ukraine russia commits 3 tanks,3 infantry, 1 artillery and 2 fighters it will lose the 3 infantry and the artillery on average. it willl lose 13 ipc opposed to germany’s 28 ipc. so far that is a incresae of 15ipc + the 6 the trade of ukraine is worth. if you take the westrussia attack with 2inf from kareila,and the 3inf from both russia and archangle with theirr artillwry and tank, into consideration then you lose four infantry and are left 4inf1art and 1tank in westrussia. that is a 12ipc lose for you and 18 for germany plus 4 for the trade. this puts russia and a 31ipc advantage for R1. Asumming russia buys 2inf2art2tanks and put the two tanks in russia how would you counter attack?
Option 2 send all units to west russia. tht will leave you 9inf 2art and 3 tank there for a lose of 6 instead of 18. so this is and advatge of 14ipc for russia. thsi is really only a 10ipc advantage beacuse germany will attack karellia and get 4ipc advantage
Option3 attack belrussia and westrussia youwill have 2inf in belrussia for an ipc advantageof 12. then for westrussia you will end with 3 Inf, 2 Art, 3 Arm. and ipc advantage of 9+4. this is a toatal advantage of 25 ong1 in teh counter attack and a blixt ferman will lose sme land units so terrtory wise this is +12 so you have a 13ipc advantage on the end of G1
You almost totally did not mention the possibility of German counterattack, sole exception Karelia.
The advantage of Belorussia is that 1) there is much less chance of a disastrous battle, 2) in case the battle does turn bad, Russia’s position will still be strong, 3) Russia preserves its tanks beyond the German counterattack on G1.
I did i gave you the advantage at the end of G1 for option 2 and 3. i was not sure what the based counter attack for option one was so i asked and if i get an answer i will add up the loses
if ruusia attacks west Russia and Ukraine russia commits 3 tanks,3 infantry, 1 artillery and 2 fighters it will lose the 3 infantry and the artillery on average. it willl lose 13 ipc opposed to germany’s 28 ipc. so far that is a incresae of 15ipc + the 6 the trade of ukraine is worth. if you take the westrussia attack with 2inf from kareila,and the 3inf from both russia and archangle with theirr artillwry and tank, into consideration then you lose four infantry and are left 4inf1art and 1tank in westrussia. that is a 12ipc lose for you and 18 for germany plus 4 for the trade. this puts russia and a 31ipc advantage for R1. Asumming russia buys 2inf2art2tanks and put the two tanks in russia how would you counter attack?
Option 2 send all units to west russia. tht will leave you 9inf 2art and 3 tank there for a lose of 6 instead of 18. so this is and advatge of 14ipc for russia. thsi is really only a 10ipc advantage beacuse germany will attack karellia and get 4ipc advantage
Option3 attack belrussia and westrussia youwill have 2inf in belrussia for an ipc advantageof 12. then for westrussia you will end with 3 Inf, 2 Art, 3 Arm. and ipc advantage of 9+4. this is a toatal advantage of 25 ong1 in teh counter attack and a blixt ferman will lose sme land units so terrtory wise this is +12 so you have a 13ipc advantage on the end of G1
if you look at the map attacking Ukraine leaves you with a 3 space front instead of a four space of you attacked belorussia. also to counter attack Ukraine couldn’t you built 3inf in caucus and 3tanks in moscow and move the 2 inf in kazah into caucus instead of Persia to go to India?
do you think this is a good idea? evcery nation has a reserve of gold aand oney right. well i think the counrties should be able to use it here is the extra ipc each nation would get in the beginig of the game based on their reserves.
Japan: 4
Iran: 1 or 2
Us: 1 (even with india its a spender not a saver)
Russia: 3 or 4
Europe: 1 or 2
But how realistic is it to have 100 infantry divisions in Europe? Was there that much food to feed that much?
i thinkn itis very realistic. after i read this subject i got the idea for this varient i’m amking up to limit the infantry based on the manpower fit for miltary. but this does not work beacuse at 1000000 people equaling 1 inf the united states alone would have a limit of 55 with only men and india 250. and theh inf in axis and allies revised represetn a much smaller number so i think it is quite possible to support 100 infantry in europe. i think it is a good idea to limit infantry but i don’t think its realistic. what about having a death toll rule wher if a certain number of inf die of that country they production for either the war or inf is producecd sorta like what happen in vietnam. too many deaths for america and france.
i tried going to the file in phase 2 but it said it was deleteted when i went to download it. it said it was inactive for too long. i just wanted to bring that problem to your attetrntion.
thanks tekkyy i used speedyshare.com here is everything in charts http://www.speedyshare.com/329944842.html i finshe the airdraft a * means the number of fighters in the sea zone. both onebomer and fighter unit is about 300 fightesr or bomberes. counted fighter bombers as a 1/3 of a bomber. that is why europe has a bomber.
what do you think of battleships doing blockades basically doing strategic bombing. if a battleship is inactive for 1 whole turn that at the end of your turn you can role a dice and force the player controlling a coastal region that borders its sea zone, to surrendered that number of ipc to the bank(round down just like bobing). you must declare a blockade when yo move a battleship into a territory.
Is this the right piece t use this rule? when japan was blockaded what type of ship was used. i think it is stupid how you have to have a transport to do shore bombardment. i think even if no units are attacking you should be able to do shoebombardment. if a territory was being attack just by land units the would not ave to be on the coasts so the navy shouldn’t help there.
i have finally finished tanks, one tank unit is 3000 tanks. i added an extra tank to South Africa so no there is not 1600 tanks in south Africa to round up. other than that this they are only the main battle tanks. i almost finshed the the aircraft(all of the bombers most of the fighters.)either tomorrow or Thursday aircraft will be all done. but that still leaves artillery. what type of artillery should i count? after i finish artillery i am going to organize all the information and put it excel. how do you post word and excel documents? one last thing afterwords i’m i allowed to get rid of repetitive info in my posts like how i listed everthing but now i am going to list it in documents?
tanks
it has begun the deletion of the lists
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I am not a fan of variation in tank combat values unless massively justified.
Many tanks are capable of being refitted with equipment and armour depending on combat situation.Also if you make significant variation in combat values you should have variation in purges cost (where appropriate) too.
one tank unit is 500 tanks. that is because of the us having 7,500 main battle tanks. that is 15 tanks spread thought Israel, eastern us and western us. i did not count any tanks except for main battle tanks.i sorta have to guess on north Korea (could not find much informantion on production) but everything in this games is clumped in small pockets with much wasteland between them. also i had to make the infantry value ridiculously high because of Vietnam and Iran. the value should change but i don’t no how much. also transports are problem because of the number. here is a quote from myself for transports this is the actually number thoughout the world.
for transports this is the actually number thoughout the world. how many units should a transport represent. for infantry there is a 1:1,000,000 ratio, but i pretty sure all the worlds transports could carry one infantry unit.
if you think i should include another type of tank please tell me and I’ll add it.the cost of nuclear weapons is a problem i haven’t really to look up on yet.I’ll try to address all this problems when i make the price changes after i fin out where all the units go. in order to dothis i must find the number of aircraft and artillery in the world i have no clue on what kinds to look for so i would be very gratefull if you had a any ideas
ATL rocks!! Don’t EAT CHINEASE FOOD. they have the worst there Pizza sucks too unless you like pizza hut type stuff. P.F. Chang is rather costly but is the only place with good chinease food. Marata is very limited to just the Atlanta area. I’ve never been to a national park or war museum before so can’t help you there. but other things you van visit are the king center(i visited it before it was sold know idea what happened and the coke factory. the GA aquarium is very impressive if you don’t mind crowds and the feeling of being herdead.YOU MUST BUY TICKETS ONLINE IN ADVANCED. there is a nasty tasting waffle house on every corner. i have know idea where your from but the have Steak and Shake and Sonic two things they don’t have up north.
i have figured out what the tank values would be by using wikipedia.org except for one thing. how many tanks are now in iraq(us owned) it should be the M1 Abrams.