This game is the exact reason I purchased a table that can be covered up to �store� a game like this.
This game wasn�t created yet but it�s exactly what I bought the table for originally to have a place to keep a game set up.
Then it�s a normal dinner table during the week.
I thought about this. I myself am so busy I am lucky to play once or twice a year. If you can seal up your game you can just pick up where you left off even a few months later.
Do you have any pictures of your table?
Not meaning to necro a post here, but I was trying to get in contact with HBG, as I can not get an answer from the HBG website and I’ve sent HBG a message on this forum, but it doesn’t show up in my "sent"box.
Their facebook messenger and email are the best ways to get a hold of them:
What do you mean by the utility of it?
Also, I don’t follow on making it a scout unit. What would that entail in gaming mechanics? Like a first strike ability?
Since the armored has identical values as Cavalry in combination with Cavalry pairing with artillery and being able to engage partisans, there is no reason to buy armored cars. If armored cars had some additional utility to their attack/defense values then this could overcome that problem.
I like some of the ideas regarding boosting artillery attack values (maybe limit it to first round of combat) in order to overcome this issue. I was then thinking it would make more sense to use more accurate sculpts for a “recon” unit. Plus, a PUMA scout would be pretty cool :-)
I actually brought this up a couple months ago at the Global War Game site.
You’re right in that their abilities are the same there. There are a couple of differences though:
If using the Fighting Croatia Expansion/Partisans, Cavalry are one of the units that are capable of targeting Partisans, while armored cars can not.
Another thing to point out is Cavalry can be 1:1 supported by artillery but Armored Cars cannot.
So by the letter of these two exceptions, Cavalry are actually BETTER than armored cars, in my opinion.
The HBG guys did answer my post though:
“Both are 3/2s for a reason – that being they represent smaller, divisional scale units – not large formations – but their mobility gives them an advantage.
Armored Cars are armor-class units (and Cavs are for transports). Cavalry have an advantage being used against Partisans in the upcoming Partisans expansion and also as people pointed out an armored car could be target-selected.
I would say that cav is better as they stand now but I could see armored cars having some kind of ability to follow a blitzkrieg that cavalry could not- the Germans used them to screen and probe pretty effectively which would make them reasonably good for casualties in a blitz.”I think he mis-quotes the rules a couple of time:
I believe Cavalry are also considered armor, and so therefore they can also be target-selected.
He mentions Armored Cars potentially helping in blitz situations. To my knowledge, armored cars cannot blitz, and are no different than Cavalry in that regard.
Giving Armored Cars a blitzing ability would create a good enough difference between the two units to make them both worth buying. Armored Cars could blitz, but Cavalry can target Partisans. Both unique abilities.
As it stands though, I really see no reason to ever buy Armored Cars, unless I’m missing something someone else can point out.
I didn’t even notice this… thanks for bringing it to light.
The problem is more the utility of the armored car vs Cavalry.
It still like the idea of converting the armored car into a scout unit, or maybe just introduce Puma and M24 Chaffee sculpts… or could even use Jeep Willys and Kubelwagen.
@Rank:
@Cornelius:
1) Armored Car: Acts a a Scouting/Reconnaissance unit.
a. **The presence of an armored car available in a battle negates 1 target selection from the enemy player, the first round of combat, allowing opposing player to select casualty: i:e: First round of combat, Attacker Attacks, Defender defends, Defender rolls a target select roll, Attacker chooses casualty due to presence of armored car.
The concept is that recon would be able to detect and report on formations, troop movements and concealed field guns and other entrenchments prior to battle. Once battle begins, all bets are off. Not sure whether the negation should be for the entire battle or just the first round. This benefit would not affect target selection from aircraft.
Negating artillery first strike 1:1 would certainly give the unit more utility and is probably more applicable to what recon/scout units would do.
If we give the scout unit this ability, would we scale back some of combat values and/or adjust cost to purchase?
Really like all of your points. Only change I would make is. Eliminate frirst strike instead of a target selection 1:1 versus enemy artillery. Recon would locate the artillery thus you would be able to strike back.
Infantry class for cavalry would allow them frirst round attack in an amphibious assault attacking at 3 instead of 2, paired with artillery and infantry access to transport limits.
These would all be clear benefits and differences between the two units.
Nice work! Great idea on this thread.**
I’m planning on using my armoured car as a scout unit as well. What I was going to do is pair it one to one with artillery to boost the arty +1 on attack and defense. This is because they would be able to give locations of enemy troops as you say and relay them to arty so they can target them. I like your idea of moving cavalry to infantry class. I also thought about maybe not penalizing them for attacking into mountains but so far can’t justify it in any way. Really I’m just trying to differentiate the 2 units as you are. If you don’t throw them a bone then why not just buy the armoured car?
So you would pair recon with arty and infantry/motorized 1/1/1. This would also be a great way to diversify the unit count among your armies. The Tac bomber idea from leatherneck is good as well, though you may need to limit how many times first strike can be used in that scenario, as stacking the pair can theoretically destroy your enemy without giving them the chance to fight back.
Maybe it would make sense to combine a bunch of these benefits and lower some of the attack/defense values so this becomes more of a support unit vs anything you can reasonably rely on to clear out enemy units?
I’m not sure if this topic has been addressed on this Forum in the past. If so I’ll be happy to repost in the appropriate thread.
As I am sure a bunch of the more hardcore people that play GW1936 have realized, there are 2 units that have identical cost, movement and combat values. These are the Armored Car and the Cavalry Unit. Both are classified as ‘Armor’ and are valued at 3,2,2,4 Att/Def/Move/Cost without any notes on special abiltities or limitations. The armored car was introduced into the game through a couple of released expansions and a couple of supplemental unit sets.
In order to get around this redundancy, I was thinking of changing the armored car into a scout type unit and changing Cavalry to an infantry classed unit. Here are some ideas I just thought of brainstorming this morning, and comments on each.Would love to get additional ideas and feedback from the community.
1) Armored Car: Acts a a Scouting/Reconnaissance unit.
a. **The presence of an armored car available in a battle negates 1 target selection from the enemy player, the first round of combat, allowing opposing player to select casualty: i:e: First round of combat, Attacker Attacks, Defender defends, Defender rolls a target select roll, Attacker chooses casualty due to presence of armored car.
The concept is that recon would be able to detect and report on formations, troop movements and concealed field guns and other entrenchments prior to battle. Once battle begins, all bets are off. Not sure whether the negation should be for the entire battle or just the first round. This benefit would not affect target selection from aircraft.
b. When the enemy’s roll grants target selection armor, Attacker/Defender may substitute armored car for selected armor unit: i.e. Attacker Attacks with tank destroyer, gains target select armor. Defender claims armored car and selects armored car instead of Tank Selected by Attacker.
Can maybe limit this to first round of combat as well since you really don’t want players buying a million armored cars just to negate all target selection in the game. This benefit would not affect target selection from aircraft as well.
c. Scout Car can pair 1:1:1 with Armor and Mechanized for blitz: May be way too powerful for Germany on impulse moves into France and Eastern Europe early game as it would add 1 more unit into the fray and allow Germany to blitz its way to Moscow on its first turn at war with Russia, but just wanted to get other’s opinions.
d. Increase cost by 1 IPC based on rule change. (To justify utility added to this unit).
2. Cavalry Changes
a. Change Classification to Infantry from Armor: This is the only change I am thinking mostly because if you use oil wars expansion and you ran out of oil, you wouldn’t be able to use Cavalry since it is classified as armor and you would have to burn 1 oil reserve just to use your horses. Would help avoid armor selection but then gains negative attributes of infantry in certain situations, like amphibious invasions.
Looking forward to other’s feedback and their own ideas/house rules for this unit.**
Nice charts Rank. Going to use that idea of individual binders for each nation. Would make it easier to consolidate rules for new players.
Bumping since I updated a couple attachments on my previous post.
Success!
First is a master units list broken down by country (color) and expansion. Light gray means all can buy. First page is mostly units from the vanilla game with a few additional units that are included in the battle pieces supplemental rules. Still adding stuff as I go but I think most of it is in there. I still need to go over it with a fine tooth comb to catch any errors in the rules.
The 2nd is a crude tech chart for some 3d printed expansions that require tech rolls to unlock these specific units. Hope these are helpful.
EDIT: I added a few more units that I found rules for on the HBG website from shapeaways. One is the YB-35 Flying Wing which has a brutal tech chart requirement, which I added to the now cruder tech chart file. New versions are now attached to this post.
GLOBAL WAR 1936 MASTER UNITS LIST 1.1.pdf
Global war ADDITIONAL TECHNOLOGY CHARTS 1.1.pdf