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(Probably) All versions of Axis and Allies are Imbalanced (yes, even Anniversary)

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The Headline of the video read “Rating Imbalance” Now if you had used that Headline in the Thread too I would’nt have derailed your thread. I’ve played A&A since 1988 and totally agree with your investigation. But of course you had to use “Every versions” and “All versions” and that is not correct. You have so far investigated 5 versions, and we don’t even know what Anniversary edition. Is it the 20th, 25th, 50th Avalon Hill or 40th Anniversary version? That matters.

FYI: As of 2026 there are 19 spin-off versions. 4 are updated or expanded versions of the global Classic. 5 are Theater games. 4 are local games of specific battles. 1 is WWI and 1 is Zombie apocalypse. The Video-games, online games and A&A Minis are kept outside of this.

List of all versions
1981 Nova ed Global
1984 MB Classic Global
1999 AH Europe Theater
2001 AH Pacific Theater
2004 AH D-day Local
2004 AH Revised 20th Anniversary ed Global
2006 AH Battle of the Bulge Local
2007 AH Guadalcanal Local
2008 AH Avalon Hill 50th Anniversary Global
2009 AH 1942 25th Anniversary ed Global
2009 AH Pacific 1940 Theater
2010 AH Europe 1940 Theater + Global when combined with Pacific
2012 AH 1941 Global
2012 AH 1942 second ed Global
2012 AH Pacific 1940 second ed
2012 AH Europe 1940 second ed Theather + Global when combined
2013 AH WWI 1914 Global (for some reason)
2018 AH Zombies Global
2024 Renegade North Africa Theater
2024 Renegade 40th Anniversary ed 1941/42 Global
2025 Renegade Stalingrad Local

Now when you have analyzed and investigated all the games on the list, then you can claim “Every game” and “All games” and I will comply.

Also your investigation is adressed to the expert players that play competitive. I don’t know how many that is. I figure 99% of the A&A community are casual players with a military power fantasy that also are plastic piece junkies, that played with Airfix miniatures as kids and now is a step up the ladder. To back up this:
A&A MB Classic is the best selling physical wargame ever with one million copies sold by 1998, and 2 millions sold by 2008. (if we can belive Wiki) But A&A online only have 11 000 ranked players. And if you play competitive at Tournaments just how many expert players do you spot? Right, my point is valid.

Sorry for the derailing but be careful next time you make a Headline that is in-correct.
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crockett36 vs cds World at War

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TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: British round 1
TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: World At War

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Round: 1 Combat Move - British 1 Infantry moved from British Somaliland to Italian East Africa British take Italian East Africa from Italians 1 Cruiser moved from 56 Sea Zone to 48 Sea Zone 1 Destroyer moved from 55 Sea Zone to 48 Sea Zone 1 Fighter moved from Malta to 48 Sea Zone 1 Fighter moved from Cyprus to 48 Sea Zone 1 Fighter moved from Lower Egypt to 48 Sea Zone 1 Infantry moved from South Africa to Rhodesia 2 Infantrys moved from New Valley to Lower Egypt 1 Infantry moved from Mersa Matruh to Lower Egypt 1 Infantry moved from Cape Town to South Africa 1 Infantry moved from Rhodesia to Kenya 1 Destroyer moved from 57 Sea Zone to 55 Sea Zone 1 Infantry moved from Lower Egypt to Cairo 1 Infantry moved from Palestine to Lower Egypt 1 Tank moved from Palestine to Lower Egypt 1 Tank moved from Nubia to Lower Egypt 1 Infantry moved from Darfur to Nubia 1 Infantry moved from Cyprus to 55 Sea Zone 1 Infantry and 1 Transport moved from 55 Sea Zone to 57 Sea Zone 1 Infantry moved from Canadian Prairies to Ontario 1 Infantry moved from Vancouver to 80 Sea Zone 1 Infantry moved from British Columbia to 80 Sea Zone 1 Tank moved from Ontario to Quebec 1 Fighter moved from Montreal to Greenland 2 Infantrys moved from Montreal to 2 Sea Zone 2 Tanks moved from Quebec to Northeast USA 1 Infantry moved from Quebec to Northeast USA 1 Destroyer, 2 Infantrys and 1 Transport moved from 80 Sea Zone to 74 Sea Zone 1 Destroyer, 2 Infantrys and 1 Transport moved from 74 Sea Zone to 71 Sea Zone 2 Infantrys and 1 Transport moved from 2 Sea Zone to 13 Sea Zone 1 Transport moved from 56 Sea Zone to 58 Sea Zone 1 Artillery and 1 Infantry moved from Aden to 58 Sea Zone 1 Cruiser and 1 Transport moved from 59 Sea Zone to 57 Sea Zone 1 Submarine moved from 59 Sea Zone to 57 Sea Zone 1 Submarine moved from 115 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone 1 Fighter moved from Madras to 110 Sea Zone 1 Submarine moved from 60 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone 1 Battleship moved from 10 Sea Zone to 8 Sea Zone 1 Destroyer moved from 10 Sea Zone to 8 Sea Zone 1 Transport moved from 10 Sea Zone to 8 Sea Zone 1 Destroyer moved from 60 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone 1 Destroyer moved from 2 Sea Zone to 8 Sea Zone Purchase Units - British British buy 10 Infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat - British British creates battle in territory Greenland Battle in 48 Sea Zone British attack with 1 Cruiser, 1 Destroyer and 3 Fighters Germans defend with 1 Destroyer and 2 Transports; Italians defend with 2 Artillerys, 3 Destroyers, 2 Infantrys, 1 Submarine and 2 Transports Italians roll dice for 1 Submarine in 48 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits British roll dice for 1 Cruiser, 1 Destroyer and 3 Fighters in 48 Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/1 hits, 1.83 expected hits
Combat Hit Differential Summary :
Italians regular : -0.33 British regular : 0.17
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pacifiersboard (X +12) -vs- mikawagunichi (L) PtV

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TripleA Turn Summary: Japanese round 1
TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory

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Round: 1 Purchase Units - Japanese Japanese buy 3 infantry, 1 marine, 1 submarine and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens; Politics - Japanese Japanese takes Political Action: Political Action Japanese To War With French Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With French: Changing Relationship for Japanese and French from Neutrality to War Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With French: Changing Relationship for Chinese and French from Neutrality to Allied Combat Move - Japanese 1 infantry moved from Jehol to Chahar Japanese take Chahar from Chinese 1 infantry moved from Jehol to Shansi 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Southern Manchuria to Shansi 1 infantry moved from Shantung to Anhwe Japanese take Anhwe from Chinese 1 infantry moved from Fukien to Kiangsi Japanese take Kiangsi from Chinese 1 infantry moved from Kwangsi to Hunan Japanese take Hunan from Chinese 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan 2 bombers moved from Japan to Yunnan 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan 1 infantry moved from Kwangsi to Kweichow Japanese take Kweichow from Chinese Combat - Japanese Battle in Shansi Japanese attack with 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber Chinese defend with 1 infantry Japanese roll dice for 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Shansi, round 2 : 3/3 hits, 1,33 expected hits Chinese roll dice for 1 infantry in Shansi, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Shansi 1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Shansi Japanese win with 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry Battle in Yunnan Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 2 bombers, 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber Chinese defend with 4 infantry Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery, 2 bombers, 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Yunnan, round 2 : 4/7 hits, 3,00 expected hits Chinese roll dice for 4 infantry in Yunnan, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1,33 expected hits 2 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Yunnan 4 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Yunnan Japanese win, taking Yunnan from Chinese with 1 artillery, 2 bombers, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for Japanese: 2 infantry Casualties for Chinese: 4 infantry Non Combat Move - Japanese 1 artillery moved from Jehol to Chahar 1 mech_infantry moved from Southern Manchuria to Anhwe 1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Southern Manchuria to Jehol 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Shantung to Anhwe 1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Kiangsu to Kiangsi 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Fukien to Kiangsi 1 infantry moved from Kyushu to 20 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Okinawa to 20 Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 20 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from 37 Sea Zone to Kwangsi 2 bombers moved from Yunnan to Kwangsi 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Yunnan to Kwangsi 1 transport moved from 21 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone 3 infantry moved from Korea to Southern Manchuria 2 infantry moved from Northern Manchuria to Southern Manchuria 1 aaGun moved from Northern Manchuria to Southern Manchuria 1 infantry moved from Hokkaido to 6 Sea Zone 1 artillery moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 6 Sea Zone to Korea 1 aaGun moved from Japan to 7 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Iwo Jima to 7 Sea Zone 1 aaGun, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 7 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone 1 aaGun and 1 infantry moved from 35 Sea Zone to Caroline Islands 1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 4 infantry moved from Japan to Kyushu 1 armour moved from Japan to Kyushu 1 fighter moved from Formosa to Kwangsi 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kiangsu to Kwangsi 1 battleship and 1 destroyer moved from 20 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 7 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 20 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone 1 carrier moved from 7 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone 1 carrier moved from 7 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone 1 cruiser moved from 21 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from 7 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone 1 battleship moved from 7 Sea Zone to 34 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Korea to 37 Sea Zone 1 tactical_bomber moved from 7 Sea Zone to Kwangsi 1 tactical_bomber moved from 7 Sea Zone to Kwangsi 1 tactical_bomber moved from Japan to 37 Sea Zone 2 fighters moved from Japan to Kwangsi 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Shansi to Jehol 1 fighter moved from 7 Sea Zone to Japan 1 fighter moved from 7 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone 1 tactical_bomber moved from 34 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone 1 tactical_bomber moved from Japan to Caroline Islands Place Units - Japanese 1 submarine and 1 transport placed in 7 Sea Zone 3 infantry and 1 marine placed in Japan Turn Complete - Japanese Japanese collect 33 PUs; end with 34 PUs Objective Japanese 1 Trade With America: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 44 PUs
Combat Hit Differential Summary :
Chinese regular : 1,33 Japanese regular : 2,67
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What is Axis & Allies gamemaster series?

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And Wich one is better
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World at War game 23

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TripleA Turn Summary: Chinese round 12
TripleA Turn Summary for game: World At War

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Round: 12 Combat Move - Chinese 2 Infantrys moved from E.Sinkiang to Gobi Altai Purchase Units - Chinese Chinese buy 7 Infantrys; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; Combat - Chinese Battle in Gobi Altai Chinese attack with 2 Infantrys Hisaichi defend with 1 Infantry Chinese roll dice for 2 Infantrys in Gobi Altai, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0,33 expected hits Hisaichi roll dice for 1 Infantry in Gobi Altai, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits Chinese roll dice for 2 Infantrys in Gobi Altai, round 3 : 1/2 hits, 0,33 expected hits Hisaichi roll dice for 1 Infantry in Gobi Altai, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits 1 Infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Gobi Altai 1 Infantry owned by the Hisaichi lost in Gobi Altai Chinese win, taking Gobi Altai from Hisaichi with 1 Infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Chinese: 1 Infantry Casualties for Hisaichi: 1 Infantry Non Combat Move - Chinese 1 Infantry moved from W.Qinghai to Hsining 1 Infantry moved from E.Sinkiang to W.Qinghai Place Units - Chinese 6 Infantrys placed in Hsining 1 Infantry placed in Urumqi Turn Complete - Chinese Chinese collect 13 PUs; end with 14 PUs
Combat Hit Differential Summary :
Chinese regular : 0,33 Hisaichi regular : 0,33
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World at War Captain Walker vs cds

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Dont have a good feeling about this game.
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cwglee51 allies+40 vs simon Axis OOB

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TripleA Turn Summary: Japanese round 18
TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition

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Round: 18 Purchase Units - Japanese Japanese buy 2 carriers, 1 destroyer and 1 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens; Combat Move - Japanese 1 armour moved from Timguska to Samara 1 armour moved from Timguska to Urals Japanese take Urals from Russians 1 armour moved from Urals to Timguska 1 mech_infantry moved from Northwest Persia to Kazakhstan Japanese take Kazakhstan from Russians 1 bomber moved from Shan State to Samara 1 fighter moved from 35 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Shan State to 37 Sea Zone 7 artilleries and 19 infantry moved from Shan State to Malaya 1 destroyer moved from 35 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone 3 fighters moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from 35 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone 1 fighter and 2 tactical_bombers moved from 35 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone Combat - Japanese Battle in 44 Sea Zone Japanese attack with 1 fighter ANZAC defend with 1 transport 1 transport owned by the ANZAC lost in 44 Sea Zone Japanese win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7 Casualties for ANZAC: 1 transport Battle in 37 Sea Zone Japanese attack with 1 fighter Americans defend with 1 submarine; ANZAC defend with 1 transport 1 submarine owned by the Americans submerged 1 transport owned by the ANZAC lost in 37 Sea Zone Japanese win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7 Casualties for ANZAC: 1 transport Battle in Samara Japanese attack with 1 armour and 1 bomber Russians defend with 1 infantry Japanese roll dice for 1 armour and 1 bomber in Samara, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 1.17 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Samara, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Samara Japanese win, taking Samara from Russians with 1 armour and 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Battle in Malaya Japanese attack with 7 artilleries and 19 infantry ANZAC defend with 1 artillery, 1 factory_minor and 1 harbour Japanese roll dice for 7 artilleries and 19 infantry in Malaya, round 2 : 2/26 hits, 6.67 expected hits ANZAC roll dice for 1 artillery in Malaya, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 artillery owned by the ANZAC lost in Malaya Japanese win, taking Malaya from ANZAC with 7 artilleries and 19 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4 Casualties for ANZAC: 1 artillery Battle in 6 Sea Zone Japanese attack with 1 destroyer, 5 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers Americans defend with 1 submarine Japanese roll dice for 1 destroyer, 5 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers in 6 Sea Zone, round 2 : 6/8 hits, 4.17 expected hits Americans roll dice for 1 submarine in 6 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits 1 submarine owned by the Americans lost in 6 Sea Zone Japanese win, taking 6 Sea Zone from Americans with 1 destroyer, 5 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for Americans: 1 submarine Non Combat Move - Japanese 3 fighters moved from 6 Sea Zone to Japan 1 fighter moved from 44 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from 37 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone 2 tactical_bombers moved from Shan State to 35 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from India to 35 Sea Zone 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from West India to Turkmenistan 3 infantry moved from West India to Eastern Persia 1 bomber moved from Samara to Volgograd 3 armour moved from Northwest Persia to Volgograd 1 aaGun moved from Shan State to Malaya Place Units - Japanese 2 carriers and 1 destroyer placed in 6 Sea Zone 1 infantry placed in India Turn Complete - Japanese Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 0 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 37 Sea Zone. Rolls: 6,4 Japanese collect 36 PUs; end with 36 PUs Objective Japanese 3 Control Honolulu Or Sydney Or Calcutta Or Western United States: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 41 PUs
Combat Hit Differential Summary :
Americans regular : -0.17 Japanese regular : -3.00 ANZAC regular : -0.33 Russians regular : -0.33
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Karl7 (Allies+18) vs Simon33 (Axis) BM rematch

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TripleA Turn Summary: Italians round 11
TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3

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Round: 11 Purchase Units - Italians Italians buy 1 fighter and 1 mech_infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Italians 1 bomber and 1 fighter moved from Greece to Caucasus 1 mech_infantry moved from Bryansk to Caucasus 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Southern France 1 fighter moved from Western Germany to Southern France 1 fighter moved from Greece to Southern France 1 fighter moved from Southern Italy to 93 Sea Zone 2 fighters moved from Southern Italy to Southern France 1 destroyer moved from 97 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone Italians take 97 Sea Zone from British Combat - Italians Battle in 93 Sea Zone Italians attack with 1 destroyer and 1 fighter Americans defend with 1 submarine Italians roll dice for 1 destroyer and 1 fighter in 93 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.83 expected hits Americans roll dice for 1 submarine in 93 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits 1 destroyer owned by the Italians lost in 93 Sea Zone Americans and Italians reach a stalemate . Battle score for attacker is -8 Casualties for Italians: 1 destroyer Battle in Southern France Italians attack with 1 artillery, 4 fighters and 1 infantry French defend with 1 infantry; Americans defend with 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 2 infantry Italians roll dice for 1 artillery, 4 fighters and 1 infantry in Southern France, round 2 : 3/6 hits, 2.67 expected hits Americans roll dice for 3 infantry in Southern France, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Southern France 2 infantry owned by the Americans and 1 infantry owned by the French lost in Southern France Italians win, taking Southern France from Americans with 1 artillery and 4 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry Casualties for French: 1 infantry Casualties for Americans: 2 infantry Battle in Caucasus Italians attack with 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 mech_infantry British defend with 1 mech_infantry Italians roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 mech_infantry in Caucasus, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1.33 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 mech_infantry in Caucasus, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 mech_infantry owned by the British lost in Caucasus Italians win, taking Caucasus from Russians with 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4 Casualties for British: 1 mech_infantry Non Combat Move - Italians 1 bomber and 1 fighter moved from Caucasus to Greece 1 infantry moved from Holland Belgium to Western Germany 1 fighter moved from 93 Sea Zone to Greece 2 fighters moved from Southern France to Southern Italy 1 fighter moved from Southern France to Greece 1 fighter moved from Southern France to Western Germany Place Units - Italians 1 fighter and 1 mech_infantry placed in Southern Italy Turn Complete - Italians Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 3 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 93 Sea Zone. Rolls: 2,2 Italians collect 15 PUs (3 lost to blockades); end with 15 PUs
Combat Hit Differential Summary :
Americans regular : 0.83 Italians regular : 0.17 Russians regular : -0.33
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