Posts made by AxisBrutality

@Mallery29:

Why I feel staacking Burma is bad on UK1:
UK: 4inf vs. Japan: 4inf/2art/1tank/1FTR at Burma with potential of BB shore shot (from Japan)
Japan then uses the rest of its forces to hit the two Chinese territories w/o the FTR (inf/art/FTR/Bomber at Yunan, 5inf/FTR at Anwhei). Sure, you give up Kwangsi to one American, but Burma will fall. �� Any counter on UK2 at Burma will be destroyed by a second wave of Japanese troops on J2(2trans bought J1). �� If you are going to move the Russian FTR to Egypt, I would just pull out of Burma and do what you say about moving troops to India. �� You’ll be in a better position to defend/attack (keep your inf fodder to protect your tank buys) without stacking Burma(your transports will get sacked eventually, but your reinforcements will provide you a solid wall against the Japanese . �� If you send the FTR to Egypt, I’m not so sure about hitting Ukraine (likely an attack will fail losing lots of Russians, better to hold the line at Caucus/West Russia). �� I’m ok with sending the FTR to Egypt, but I highly recommend NOT attacking Ukraine…just be prepared for a possible stack in Ukraine.

Ok, cool enough, I forgot that the sea area on FIC includes Burma too, so forces from Japan could attack Burma with those from FIC. But, it doesn’t change much, we can just leave 1 INF on Burma, and then let 4 INF stay on India, buy 3 Tank, land 1 possible FTR on India after E-Indies battle + UK bomber goes to Caucasus.

I would adjust then, what I get from Egypt with the transport. I would get the Artillery to India with the transport, and rather blitz 2 spaces from Egypt to Iran with the UK Tank. That way, UK gets another unit, which is the artillery, directly to India while the tank is right behind there on Iran, and can strike Burma on UK2. So basically, if Japanese go into Burma with 4 INF, 2 Art, 1 Tank, then it’s not gonna be good for them on UK2 where you can strike back with 4 INF, 4 Tank, possibly 1 FTR, 1 Bomber, 1 Art which will also boost 1 INF in attack. And then UK can build another 3 Tanks before it’s J2 turn. Alternatively, UK could buy 1 INF, 1 Art, 1 Tank on India and build DD and a Carrier and land FTRs on it on London. London already has 3 FTR there when UK2 starts, since I bought one on UK1.

1 INF, 1 Art, 1 Tank, 1 DD, 1 Carrier = 35 IPC. Which is 3 IPC saved from UK1 + 31 IPC income + 1 IPC from taking New Guinea on UK1.

Yes, it’s a possibility not to strike Ukraine, or another tank can be added into an attack since Russian FTR has to go to Egypt. But that would leave Russia with 2 Artilleries and 1 Tank safe only, after Germany takes Ukraine back, so it’s tough to decide if Russia should attack Ukraine since FTR goes to Egypt, but it has to go there, it gives UK so many advantages when Egypt is safe.

I would let the Russian INF I have from Kazakhstan which I moved to the area with the U.S FTR on it on R1, take the Kwantung on R2 turn, and rather use 2 US INF and FTR to strike back at Yunnan, since Japan can only attack it with 1 INF, and 1 Art, Japan possibly losing that 1 INF, and taking Yunnan with only 1 Art.

OR

Make a wall on Sinking with 2 US INF and 1 FTR + 1 Russian INF from Novosibirsk + Russian FTR from Egypt flying to Sinking on R2. That would draw away Japanese FTRs from FIC if Japan wants to attack 3 INF + 2 FTR which is a good force.
If we make a wall on Sinkiang, a US Bomber should be moved to Alaska, so that on US2 that bomber can join 2 US INF and FTR attacking around in China. Alaska will be protected by 1 US INF, 1 UK INF and 1 UK Tank. US Fleet can also position itself on Iwo Jima on US1.

My only objection with the move of the Soviet fighter to Egypt is that it tips off Germany of a KJF possibility (and have them starting to pile up on ground units to move against Russia) and it removes 1 key Soviet unit during two rounds against the Germans.

Against me you’ll lose WRus on G1. Soviets will have 1 AA, 6 INF (assuming 2 INF lost), 1 ART and 3 ARM on WRus. Germans send 3 INF, 1 ART, 3 ARM, 5 FTRs, 1 BMR, that’s 91% odds. Germans would also attack Karelia, Finland, Belorussia and stack Ukraine.
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Hi, yes I agree, it’s a good counter there, so Northern Flank makes West Russia to weak.

1. I looks like just taking W.Russia or W.Russia and Ukraine is the safest bet. Although that Moscow FTR need to go to Egypt, in order to be 100% sure that Germany can’t do anything in Egypt, which helps the UK being able to attack the E.Indies fleet. I think it’s a key unit Russia has to “reserve” for the UK on R1 and land back on Moscow or Caucasus on R2. Or else Germany can be tempted to attack Egypt without that Russian FTR and then, UK won’t be able to do anything with E.Indies with just on UK FTR on India, so UK needs both FTR from India and Egypt.

2. How about this, I am not saying it’s better than the above strategy, I am just brainstorming. What if Russia takes out Ukraine and Belorussia, and isolate German forces in W.Russia ? It would be kind of fun to do that move just to test out, how that plays out taking out Belorussia and Ukraine, while Germans are isolated i W.Russia.
   There is no way for Germany to take on Moscow or Caucasus with 3 INF, 1 Art, 1 Tank but they could strike Arkangelsk, however, Arkangelsk will be reinforced with 2 INF from Evenki. And if they strike Arkangelsk, there will be fewer German forces that can take Leningrad. Germany would have to let 1 German INF stay at W-Russia or else Russian tanks can just blitz through on R2. � It would be interesting to try.

But back to the safe option 1). When Russia does what I argued for, I think we agree, then UK can attack the Japanese E.Indies fleet. Now, I’ve found out how to put more pressure on Japan on FIC, so that Japan has to commit most of their forces to defending FIC. With E-Indies fleet gone and dead, UK can move 3 INF from India to Burma, now UK has 4 INF on Burma.

Besides 4 UK INF on Burma, UK can move 1 INF from Iran to India. UK Transport from India should get a tank from Egypt to India. Then UK can buy 3 Tanks, 1 FTR + 1 INF or save 3 IPC, but UK should buy 3 Tanks and 1 FTR. � Put those 3 Tanks on India, that makes UK having 4 Tanks on India and 1 INF + 4 INF on Burma. �  Move 1 INF from Syria to Egypt, so that UK has 2 INF + 1 Artillery there. � 1 FTR which has been bought, should be put on London. � Whatever is left of UK Fleet after the attack on E-Indies should land back on India if any UK FTR survived.

And finally, a UK bomber should fly to Caucasus, making it able to strike FIC on UK2 with 4 Tanks, 4 INF and possibly 1 FTR if it survives after the E-Indies attack.

So the whole thing is extremely connected to what UK can do based on what Russia has done for the UK on R1, which should be flying a Russian FTR to Egypt, that’s all Russia has to do, and then it’s UK showtime:)

@Mallery29:

This is a toughy.  In 1st ed, I thought it was easy for me to decide on what to do…(assume strait closed)

Option 1: Buy 6inf, 1 tank, send in Archangel, Karelia FTR and Art, All Russia, Caucus art/tank into W. Russia, then split the FTR between Caucus and Karelia? Bad thing about this is the Germans could force everything into one or both Caucus and Karelia and you would lose your FTRs, which would cripple Russia.  I guess the one Archangel inf could go to Karelia instead and then have both FTR in Karelia.  This would keep Germany off of England for the most part (forcing them to split the subs and possibly lose the French FTR in a battle.

Option 2: Buy 6inf, 1 tank hit W. Russian and Ukraine (2art,4inf{5 if you send archangel}, 1 tank, 1FTR), (Art/3inf/3tank/1ftr) respectively.
NCM out East: Leave status quo with exception of the two in Evengi?
I’m looking for thoughts good or bad, not saying what the moves are…especially the buy, because while I would love to go 5inf/2art, I think the tank is needed more…

By the way, Pearl Harbor will never fall now on J1 esp if you re-inforce with the Cruiser and sub from UK but why would you?  I guess this fixes the gripes about US losing it’s carrier fleet every game in 1st ed.  Looks like the Pacifc will hinge on how ballsy you get with UK (assuming your FTR in Egypt survives on G1)… I think this will be a UK1 standard if it does.

I’ve played it now the whole weekend, and these are my thoughts.

Allies are at some serious and brutal disadvantage. Russians opening turn counts for what UK can do next.

1. I would forget about the Russian FTR on Moscow. That thing has to fly to Egypt and make sure Germany can NOT attack Egypt. If the Russian FTR is not there, the whole thing collapses and UK can’t attack Japanese fleet on East Indies without UK FTR on Egypt.  Even if you don’t attack Japanese Fleet, it is still nice to have that UK FTR which can fill in the Carrier so that Carrier has 2 FTR on it + UK Fleet can merge on SZ30 as an option if a UK player wants to expand UK-India fleet right away.  Also a UK Destroyer outside Syria will most likely not be attacked by Germany if Germany can’t stage an attack on Egypt. Usually the German Battleship goes other way around, towards the Gibraltar.

2. Russia can actually strike 3 German areas at once, Belorussia, West Russia and Ukraine. Although it is not recommended, Russia lose to much armor, and I don’t like that, it does put some pressure on Germany as in Germany having no chance to build boats on G1, since the whole eastern front is wiped out, and they have to use forces from Poland and Bulgaria-Romania to take back Ukraine and Belorussia.

Advantage for Russia is though that it’s IPC is increased to 30, but armor and artilleries do suffer. Disadvantage for the UK, Egypt will most likely be attacked and there is no chance to even consider an attack on Japanese E-Indies fleet since the UK FTR from Egypt will be destroyed.

2)Another option is to attack the whole Northern Flank, but Russia will need BOTH FTR to do it, so again, it sucks for Egypt and the UK.

However, advantage for Russia is that Germany can’t send sick, brutal force into Leningrad right away, as they can with the other options.

If Russia attacks Finland with 2 INF, 1 Armor and 1 FTR and then attack at the same time Belorussia with 2 INF + 1 Artillery + 1 FTR then the rest of the forces can destroy West-Russia with losing 2-3 Russian INF.

2 INF from Evenki need to go to Arkangelsk to create a small wall against Germany. 1 INF from Novosibirsk, can be sent to Sinkiang and 1 INF from Kazakstan to the area where U.S. FTR + 2 INF are.

This way, Leningrad is under a lot LESS pressure, there is not much Germany can send to Leningrad, 3 INF and 4 Armor.

Russia can build 8 INF. Put 4 INF on Caucasus, 4 INF on Moscow.

@Mallery29:

If you save your money and buy it on something else, I will hit you with 6FTRs and the bomber on J2 with my forces in Burma even with the 4FTRs you will fail…its 84% Japan…nice try again…we can do this all day out there…unless you attack the Indies fleet, you will lose India.
Who says as Germany I’m going for Caucus anyways G1/G2…that’s stupid…stop spoon feeding me bad German moves…

Come on, I never spoon fed you with bad German moves. There were couple of people here fearing Russia will “lose” Caucasus if Ukraine is not attacked, now we agree, that’s NOT the case, right?

What Germany can do is to stack 7 INF, 6 Armor on Ukraine, and that’s not enough to sit there and wait for R2. Therefore, Germany would have to rethreat to gather more forces before they can make better second push for Ukraine, so Germany basically leaving Ukraine with 1 or 2 INF would be the best option for Germany. With this strategy Germany is scared away from Ukraine without even attacking Ukraine on R1.

Anyway, do we agree on Ukraine stuff?`

There is 60% chance for UK to win if they attack Japan on E.Indies. While tempting, others who tried on this thread, failed to sink E.Indies navy, so that’s why we have to explore other options. Open-minded is the key here.

Yes, you could hit India with all the FTR + 1 Bomber, however let’s not forget AAA, they will take out half of your FTR before the fight even starts. Another point is, if you decide to attack India, I can fly 2 more FTR to India, from my Carrier in the Indian Ocean, remember? And rethreat the rest of the UK fleet while building Naval Power on London on UK2.

Therefore if you want to take India, there will be 6-7 INF, AAA, 6 FTR waiting there.

@Mallery29:

dump 2 inf into Asia?� � Really? That’s your forces you plan to get into Asia?� � You only have 1 transport to work with at the start…it will take more than that to make a difference…my fleet can get back into position to hit your fleet after you hit Asia/Japan with .
Ukraine IMHO HAS to be done from my Allied strat…does it have to be done for everyone else…nope…you can all in at W. Russia and go from there…but all in at Russia can have a fall back if the German player does it right…there is a way to beat the all in without attacking, but dice rolls can make it back fire…I’m not going to fight on the Ukraine topic because Allied strat can easily vary…I say attack Ukraine, but I have to have the US/UK KGF for it to work…

I am not going “all in” in West Russia only, I will also take Belorussia, instead of Ukraine. That’s the point. � I build 6 Artilleries on R1 or 6 INF + 1 Tank, there are a lot of good options. Seems like this is the “fear” some here promote, that " Caucasus will “fall” to Germany, which is NOT the case at all, at the contrary, Germany will lose 30-33% of it’s armor very easy. � Even if Germany does not choose to take Caucasus, they are still to weak on Ukraine to stack anything there on G1, or else R2 will destroy whatever is there which is from my count 7 German INF, 6 Armor.

Russia will not collapse, because I will always pick my fights very carefully with Russia, that’s very important, I will NEVER let Russia lose artilleries or tanks if Germany doesn’t lose a LOT more. � You would buy like 5 German INF, 2 art, 1 tank and 1 Bomber on Germany? I don’t consider that as a threat at all. On R2 Russia can just buy 8 INF and another 1 Artillery. That’s a potent counter-offensive force, Germany will have some serious problems if they want to get to Moscow or Caucasus.

Yes, your count is right, however the point is, once again, you don’t know what I am saving money for regarding UK2. In order to win naval battle against me, you practically have to move everything Japan has, without not knowing if I will build anything on India or on the UK.

Regarding India it self, you can’t take it that easy as already pointed out. UK having a fleet in SZ30 will make you wonder HOW MANY ships or FTR you will have to move to FIC on expence of territories which USA can strike.

So we have two options. UK can attack Japanese fleet on E.Indies or the UK Fleet can be merged, and save the money for UK2 where some serious Naval buys can be put on either India or the UK. Point it, in order to have the upper hand in the naval battle, you need to move basically everything down to FIC. Making USA having more options from Iwo Jiwa and onwards.

Even if I don’t build anything on India and decide to build everything on the UK with 62 IPC, UK still have a merged fleet in the Indian Ocean and as pointed out, taking India itself is not that easy.

Regarding Ukraine, it should be pretty clear by now, that Germans die like dogs if they try to stack anything on Ukraine or take Caucasus from me. So the point is to split German forces who think in their head that they can take on Russia already on G1.

@Mallery29:

And leave Russia to itself with no UK or US assistance?� Â

New Guinea?�  I’m worried about losing New Guinea AND Iwo?

And that sea battle?

Japan: 2DD, 2BB, 2CV, 4FTR, 1 Bomber, CA, SS vs UK: 2BB, CV, 2FTR, 2DD, 1 CA?

http://www.dskelly.com/misc/aa/aasim.html�  �  looks like 99.1%…yep…I’m the one needing the luck!

@Mallery29:

And leave Russia to itself with no UK or US assistance? Â

New Guinea?  I’m worried about losing New Guinea AND Iwo?

And that sea battle?

Japan: 2DD, 2BB, 2CV, 4FTR, 1 Bomber, CA, SS vs UK: 2BB, CV, 2FTR, 2DD, 1 CA?

http://www.dskelly.com/misc/aa/aasim.html    looks like 99.1%…yep…I’m the one needing the luck!

Yes, you are the one needing luck, as I said, I am STILL waiting for comments regarding Ukraine, or do you admit I was right? If not, do tell us all how it’s not right, lol.

Oh, NOW you want to take on my Indian Fleet, NO problem there, however, explain to us all how do you TAKE INDIA by taking out my fleet, while I still have at least 5 INF and 4 FRT + AA-gun on India? Where are your 4 little INF with 2 art and 1 tank which are supposed to take out my 5 INF and 4 FTR? Can’t see them anywhere, lol.

Doesn’t matter if you odds at “winning” are high, Japan will still suffer HEAVY losses, and that is the point, and India still lives, you DID NOT take India, that did NOT happen.

I still haven’t experienced you countering anything yet. US Fleet on Iwo Jima is there ready to strike on US2. Whatever survived of your fleet on India, can’t get to Japan in one move. Which means, U.S. can dump forces again in East Asia, or support Russia furthermore, or attack whatever you buy outside Japan on J2. Because rest of what is left of your fleet is on India.  When you move that away from India, I can once again, just start bying Naval power, why ? Because you are too weak ON LAND to take India, you just can’t take it. To much to think of, U.S. guys taking East-Asia, Russia having 7 INF in the north, and India bying units all the time. Not to mention that US will build units on their 1st and 2nd turn, making it impossible for Japan to handle it.

Since Japan is to weak on land to take India, I would reconsider what I would buy on UK.

UK1 = Save 31 IPC
UK2 = I have at least 62 IPC to buy for, I could buy 3 Battleships and place them on India.

Guess where my fleet will merge on UK1 ? On SZ30 with my fleet from Australia. I’ll have 1 Carrier + 2 FTR + 2 Cruisers + 1 Sub. You can attack with 3 FTR + 1 Carrier which sucks + BB.

TRY TO RUN THAT ON YOUR CALK, LOOOOOL, guess odds are a LITTLE bit different? :)

Now India and the UK have a lot of possibilities, you never now if I will build 3 BB on UK2. But I will have a merged UK Fleet near by, which will be constant threat to Japan. You just CAN NOT sink it on SZ30 with 3 FTR + Carrier and BB. This is FUN :) I don’t even need to mention India, I will have another 2 FTR there from Arkangelsk, 1 US FTR from Tibet, 1 UK FTR from Egypt, that’s 4 FTR on land on India. I can build a lot of FTR or Battleships, whatever I like, just looking at what you bougt on J1. When we play, you never know what I will decide to do, building a fleet on UK or India, because I saved IPC from 1st round and you do NOT know HOW I will position myself on UK2.

Oh, I forgot also that I can take with me 2 INF from Australia and dump them in India on UK2, making India have 6 or 7 INF with 4 FTR.

Yes, Russia will be more alone against Germany, but if some who do argue to send German tanks into Caucasus so I can slaughter them so easy on R2 turn, then Russia will be all fine, when 9 Artilleries + 4 Armor + 1 FTR and a lot of INF says hello to Germans on either Caucasus or Ukraine on R2 turn. And the fun part is, in a real game, you will never know if I will build anything on UK or not, so most German players will put their fighters on Western Europe, making it easy for Russia to strike hard. If you move them to Ukraine, then it’s easier to build UK fleet on London instead of India. Pretty simple actually.

See, you just CAN’T take India that easy!

@Mallery29:

J1 3inf/FTR/Bomber vs. 2inf China North, inf/art/3FTR in Yunan, hold the line up North with 4inf, buy 2DD/2Trans
5inf in Buryatia vs 4inf in Mancuria? Really? Ok, so hit me on the coast with your US FTR/2inf…tha’s why I have more trans/troops coming…
4inf/2art/1tank/4FTR/1Bomber against India J2, and withdraw the fleet back to Japan to hit Russia (either Buryatia or Manchuria depending on your suicide maneuver).

So you lost China, India, and Buryatia by J2, and J3 I will finish off your feeble US troops remaining…again, you’ve been countered…why not build your IC in Alaska too…I’m sure the Axis will love playing you.

LOL, stop dreaming, please. You are like Cow regarding Ukraine, I can see that you have no comments on that one :)

Really, you will attack India with all the FTRs and Bomber? LOL, good luck getting throught my UK Fleet with NO air support. What are you going to do, send 2 BB, 2 Carriers which suck at attacking, 1 Cruiser, 1 Sub and 1 DD �  V.S � My fleet which will have 2 Battleships, 1 Carrier with 2 FTR on it, 2 Destroyers and 1 Cruiser, GOOD LUCK on that one, man!

When we talk about India, I already have 3 UK INF there from earlier + 1 UK INF from Iran, that’s 4 INF. I have built 2 INF, one each turn UK1 and UK2. Which means I have 6 UK INF on India. Furthermore, I will have 1 U.S. FTR on India. Oh and don’t forget, I can move 2 FTR from London to India by the UK2 turn. UK1 turn, 2 FTR to Arkangelsk, and on UK2, voila, they are guess where? In India! And I have AA-GUN, again GOOD LUCK on taking India OR my Indian Fleet, lol :)

Oh, yes, I will hit the coast, which is Kwantung with the U.S Forces. Good that you have “more transports” coming through, you sure will need them, when I gather the whole U.S. Pacific Fleet by taking Iwo Jima already on US1 and while I take New Guinea from you on UK1. � Those transports of yours will sure need some back up right there :)

@Mallery29:

I would still hit the two non-FTR China territories but give up Russia’s back door in order to crush India on J2 with your naval buys (entire Japan fleet at FIC on J1).

See, you have to GIVE UP U.S. Chinese territory of Szechwan where the U.S. FTR is. And also as you said you have to give up Russia’s backdoor where I will have at least 5 INF on Buryatia + 2 INF on Yakut. That’s fun, for Russia and UK, not so fun for Japan.

Of course you can try to move all your FTR and Naval Fleet in order to strike my Indian fleet on J2 turn. But don’t forget, it’s UK2 turn before J2 turn, I would once again build naval forces, another Battleship + Destroyer + INF or maybe 2 Cruisers + Armor on India. As you can see, I can as a UK player force you do to things MY WAY, just as I force “Cow” to do things MY WAY where he falls into my Russian traps all the time with Germany.

Don’t forget that U.S. Naval Power is on it’s way in the Pacific both on US1 turn and US2 turn. Also if you forgot, I have a Cruiser + Sub + Transport on Australia to have fun with couple of Japanese Islands down there on UK1 and UK2 turn.

@Mallery29:

@AxisBrutality:

Curious what you would expand the Indian fleet with…right now, I could see Japan sending 1CV, 1BB, Bomber, 4FTR…against 2CA, CV, 1(2) FTR, DD for the UK…with 1 FTR Japan will smoke you at 92%, with 2FTR, you are looking at 71% for Japan…You then have weakened your Indian defense force, and Japan will ensure to front load India to crush it ASAP.  I would rather you attack E. Indies, and buy SS to protect your CV from any attacks (not saying to buy SS, but if you were going to buy naval, that’s what I would do).

Hi again,

Ok then, see the fun, you will have to use 67% of Japanese Airforce on this + 1 Bomber, doesn’t leave you with much to use on land does it? Only 2 FTR to use somewhere else, that’s the beauty of it, it takes so brutality much resources for Japan to attack the expanded UK fleet on India.

Now, let me tell you what I would buy on India:

1 Battleship, 1 Destroyer + 1 INF = 31 IPC - 3 units allowed to build on India

That would give UK = 1 Carrier, 1 Battleship, 1 Cruiser, 1 Destroyer + 2 FTR,  I would either use the FTR from Egypt to land on the carrier OR the Russian fighter to land on it right away on R1 turn, I don’t need to use that one Russian FTR against Germany actually, Belorussia is easy for me to take anyway, only 3 German INF there.

@Cow:

Attacking ukraine is a good move, there is a fighter, it is dead, he counters with mostly ground, you counter that. you will constantly be trading forces for ukraine, as russia gets severely screwed when it loses caucasus.

Here is the problem with your strategy once again. First of all, attacking Egypt is not safe as you say, 12 vs 11 points and 4 vs 5 units, each with a plane on their own. Even if you win 73% of the time, here is the point, a good UK player will and should NOT attack a Japanese fleet.  This is the same argument we have about Ukraine.

I’ll rather expand UK fleet on India and let Japan come to me, that’s the point, UK Carrier and FTR and better at defence, while Japan’s FTR and Carrier outside E.Indies is WORSE at attacking. So basically, there is NO need to attack E-Indies fleet, rather expand on it.

Now back to Ukraine, once again, now you say that Germany can take Caucasus even if I explained to you in detail that Germany can’t even hold Ukraine when R2 turn starts. Now, if you want to take Caucasus on G1 turn, what can you do, attack with 3 INF, 1 ART and 3 Armor, you think this will stop Russia when R2 turn starts? Russia slaughter all that so easy, and there goes 30-33% of German armor. You really LOVE to throw away armor, do you?  Try to ran a “calk” on what happens when 3 German INF, 1 ART and 3 Armor meet more than 10 Russian INF, 3 ART and 5 Russian Armor, I don’t even need to use 2 Russian FTR on this when R2 turn starts. You should understand that Germany dies like a dog on Caucasus if you try to take it on G1 turn. As I said, Germany will have serious problems with holding Ukraine when R2 turn starts, not to mention Caucasus, that you can FORGET, unless you want the game to end painfully fast for the German player.

Also take this into consideration, I said I would buy 6 INF + 1 Armor on Russia. I can also buy 6 ART. Try to “calk” that also what happens when 9 Russian ART, 4 Armor + 2 FTR says hello to Ukraine or German troops in Caucasus on R2 turn. And those 9 Russian Artilleries gives boost to 9 INF when they attack, oh, this is gonna be FUN! For Russia! :)

@Cow:

IMO got to kill that german fighter on R1.

Germany has like 4 naval batles ahead of him, bship, whatever the 2 subs hit, 2 other naval from uk.

Saving egypt allows uk to bomber + fighter the battleship transport, unless it goes to gib, but making him go to gib is 2 less units being shipped to africa that turn.

This is the whole point. You save egypt, you can get india fleet into the med. Now germany is faced with two fleets to sink and he has one less fighter than he otherwise would normally have.

Soothsayin know what I am sayin?

The aggressive strategy has always been the standard for 1942.Ukraine is good, forces germany to use tanks. Germany tanks are more important than russian tanks.

I can still send Indian fleet to Egypt and let Germany face 2 fleets, it’s not like I gave up Egypt ? Egypt is saved with my strategy anyway, just read how I can choose to defend it, there is nothing Germany can do to take Egypt on G1 except being a basically 55-45 fight in German favor, losing a lot of forces and risking a German bomber.

I don’t want to abandon India, on the contrary, I might even reinforce the UK Fleet there, to make the headache for Japan complete.

Do please tell what Germany can “stack” on Ukraine on G1 before I choose to slaughter that on R2 turn, with 3 men supported by 3 artilleries, 5 tanks, 2 FTR and a whole lot of INF as a shield. Russia can take Ukraine anyway on R2 turn, nothing Germany can do to prevend that, unless a lot of Germans want to die of course.

@Mallery29:

Read and learn….I never said your fleet was the target…once its in a corner, India will fall (what resistance is your pathetic little fleet going to muster)

LOL, now you must explain how you plan to “corner” my fleet? I already win just there by making you chase me around for nothing, having your Japanese boats trying to “corner me” in.
As long as my fleet is around there, it is clearly pain in the a-hole for Japan of course. You never now when I can build more boats with that existing fleet. Taking India is not that easy, do try. As you can see, just forget Egypt, not happening.

Another option I have, is just to let UK Fleet stay on India, except Transport, and I can build 2 Naval units with that fleet. That makes it very hard for Japan to attack it. As you can see, UK has a fleet it can expand on heavily if needed, yes it will be less cash for the UK, however, there is no problem clearly in holdning both Egypt/Africa AND India.

@Mallery29:

If you don’t attack Ukraine, then I can put a FTR or two down there and still be in position to take UK on G2.  If its one FTR, it is only 51%, and down to 17% for you.  You leave Germany so many options by not attacking Ukraine.  Even if I don’t, on G2 you surely will lose that FTR and Bomber in Egypt…but “be my guest, be my guest, put your suicide move to the test”.

Save your pathetic fleet for what, a turn or two? Once you are pinched by the Indies/Caroline fleet, India will be squished like a bug.

It is not I who had strategies 2-3 days ago which were attacking German Battleship outside Syria and BS like that, and then preparing to lose even more fighters from London on UK2 against another German fleet.

My strategy keeps ALL 4 UK FTR and 1 Bomber ALIVE. No you can’t take Egypt from UK just because you fly FTR down to Libya. I can reinforce Egypt with the same troops and wait for you to attack, be my guest, UK can basically have there 4 INF, 1 ART, 1 Armor + 2 FTR waiting for your what, 4 to 6 German units and 1 FTR, lol, be my guest, we’ll see who would win that, while you have to think of Russia and UK building it’s fleet outside London. Point is, no Ukraine FTR is going to make you take Egypt , EVER, If I as UK player want to hold Egypt, I will hold it, with NO problem on when you start your G2 turn.

First you have to “pinch” the UK fleet, in order to do that, you need to be 2 spaces from them, not gonna happen, as you can see.

@Mallery29:

@Cow:

Don’t hit egypt till G2? Why would you wait? That is money, just like in the old revised it always goes on round 1.

Axis, you bring your bomber down, I’ll nuke that too…don’t make it easy for me!

I can’t see what you have “nuked” so far. Last night, I took out your German troops on Libya on my UK1 turn, and I can land the bomber on Egypt, move 1 UK INF from Syria to Egypt + land 1 FTR on Egypt while the other FTR is on Indian Carrier. The whole UK Indian fleet, I can move to the Sea Zone between Ethiopia and Magadaskar, which is out of the reach for Japanese Fleet. And I still have a small UK fleet on Australia I can use to take islands from Japan.

I’ll use UK Transport from India to transport to Egypt another 1 INF, which means UK should have 2 INF on Egypt + 1 Bomber + 1 FTR, and no German troops on Libya.

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You mean 2004, the 2009 version was a joke that doesn’t exist.

I don’t support your point. He has to use firepower to kill your tanks on the counter attack unless he wants to use his air there, which is less air for other battles.

You are not seeing the big picture. That is why you fail. Allies always play the big picture, and the big picture says, it forces 1 more battle than germany would otherwise like.

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Lol, I do see the BIG picture, that is why I am one step ahead of you.

Again, let me sum up your arguments
According to yourself:

1. All versions are the same, nothing has changed
2. Tanks sucks big time, let’s just throw them away
3. Russia should attack everything like a zombie, no matter where they attack
4. And finally, you want to give Germany 1 more battle

Now, this should not be necessary for me to repeat, but I have too:

1. Russia is weaker now, Germany is stronger, and all the versions ARE different no matter if you played 2004 or 2009, this is 2012, deal with it

2. German FTR from Ukraine can NOT attack Egypt this time, it can’t even get to the UK DD to attack it

3. Tanks are more expencive now! Russia has 4, Germany has 10 Tanks, and I am NOT including the one from Libya. Now, what you want to do is to reduce number of Russian tanks from 4 to 2. Germany’s number of tanks goes down from 10 to 9. You call that smart?  Number of Russian Artilleries goes down from 3 to 2 according to your strategy.

4. And you say you’ll give Germany 1 more battle, I AM GIVING Germany 1 more battle, in Belarus ! NOT Ukraine, see the difference here or is it still hard to see it?

Now, furthermore, after you are done with R1 turn, and Germany does with G1 turn, losing only 1 German INF to slaughter your Russian tanks in Ukraine, this is the score:

Score for what Russia has to use on the start of R2 turn according to your strategy:

Offensive weapons: 2 tanks, 2 artilleries and 2 FTR

Now, MINE Strategy, for what Russia can and will have resources to use on the start of R2 Turn:

Offensive weapons: 4 tanks + I buy 1 more tank + 6 INF = 5 tanks in my arsenal , still 3 artilleries and 2 FTR.

Now you either have to be blind or very stubborn in a reckless way in order to still deny that it is I, who has definitely far superior Russian Force on the start of R2 turn, which will give German troops some serious problems if Germans starts "stacking anything on Ukraine on G1 turn. It’s NOT going to be pretty for German troops on Ukraine when R2 turn starts. This is a PURE fact. Not to mention that UK2 turn could build some serious brutal Naval Power if they save most of the cash from 1st round. I can as already mentioned build on UK1 turn also. And Germany can NOT have 5 FTR defending Ukraine and having them in France at the same time, LOL.

@Mallery29:

NO, the cruiser!

Oh that, if I am to attack it, I would use a bomber, no FTR there. FTR are saved for future carrier fleet, there is no point in carrier if I can’t fill it with 2 FTR.

Or instead of attacking German cruiser, I can consider attacking Libya on UK1 turn, with 1 INF, 1 Art, 1 Armor, 1 Bomber + 1 FTR from Egypt + 1 FTR from Carrier outside India. That pretty much facks up any German attempt to try to take Egypt on G2 turn. Germany would have to have like 6 units on Libya + 1 FTR to prevent this from happening when UK1 turn starts.

@Mallery29:

Are you or aren’t you going to kill the German CA on UK1?  If the CA hits, what are you going to lose? The bomber or the FTR?  If you don’t hit it, I probably wouldn’t waste the CA on a UK1 naval buy, but if you have no planes left, then I guess it doesn’t matter.

I would not attack German Carrier if that’s what you mean, no. And definitely, not attacking any German Battleship in the Mediterranian. I save UK FTR where they are more useful, as supplementing naval fleet.

Also I was wondering, what would you have on Libya after G1 turn ends? Before UK1 turn starts…

@Mallery29:

you still have to take out the German CA, so what would you lose? The bomber or the FTR? If you are going to sack a Russian FTR, then I’ll make sure I have all the FTRs in position…its worth the nuking and wasting of a Russian FTR.  Then the US1/2 buys are useless…

I am not sure what you mean by German CA ? Of course, if you get into a “fight” where Germany trades FTRs with UK then UK is better positioned because they are defending, Germany is attacking and the FTRs are worse at attacking.
So Germany would lose a lot more than 1 Sub + 1 FTR.

Alternatively, UK could save most of it’s cash for UK2 buy, and just buy 3 carriers, while the U.S. could buy 3 FTR + 12 IPC for something else on US1. Then the U.S. would have 4 FTR on Eastern U.S. ready to fill in 2 UK Carriers while the 3rd Carrier is full with 2 UK FTR. UK would still have cash to buy more units, since 3 Carriers cost 42 IPC.

So the point is, wether we buy on UK1 or UK2 turn all-in, UK needs to have a fleet. So the solution is not sitting and bying 2 FTR a round and trying to attack German fleet after like UK3 turn, and having no naval power at all.  There is no doubt that it is more costly for Germany to go after the UK Fleet, therefore UK Fleet buy on UK1 or a MASSIVE UK2 turn Fleet buy is essential.

@Cow:

Now Ukraine is a completely different issue, Russian arts and tanks being wiped out on G1 turn, that’s very bad for Russian offencive capabilities as I mentioned.

It is a trade, if you want the game to progress you have to make an exchange, it diverts fighters and men there, so you can counter attack. Tanks are crappy units. 4 infantry attack better than 2 tanks, why? cannon fodder factor. You may as well use tanks for what they are designed to do, hit something then roll some 3s on defense. They are horrible units that you don’t want to buy now they cost 6.

Don’t be aggressive, keep complaining and losing. Enjoy your game.
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In the old 1942, ukraine and west russia was all day, every game. You say it is different now, but in reality nothing has really changed.

Thanks for supporting my point. Tanks are expencive as you say and I “don’t want to buy them” , correct. Difference between you and me are that you want to throw tanks away, I want to keep them and artilleries BEHIND a huge stack of INF. Germany has resources to trade, they have 10 Tanks for Gods sake, Russia only 4! You trade 2, that’s 50% of Russian tanks, all bye bye.

I am aggressive with Russia when needed, choosing my battles carefully, this is especially the case in this version where Russia IS weaker now, and the mistake you are making is saying that “nothing has changed”, oh it has, definitely. Russia is weaker, Germany is stronger, and no fighter from Ukraine can reach Egypt now, and Tanks cost 6 now, this is completely new game. If you think it’s the same, you need to continue to play 2009-version then.

@Mallery29:

Only problem Axis, is the following and correct me if I’m wrong on what I think you will have there by end of US1, because that changes the math obviously.
2 UK CV, 2 UK FTR, 1 UK DD, 1 US FTR
If the Germans have 3FTR, 2Bomb, 2SS (a typical buy for me would be 5inf/2art/tank/bomber although I could go 3inf/2art/tank/bomber/SS.
So on G2 I can attack with possibly 2SS, 3FTR, 2 Bombers…Germany wins at 83% losing the SS and possibly a FTR (while it hurts Germany, the money lost by UK significantly weakens India tenfold). I can repeat the SS buys on G2 to protect my losses (shouldn’t need another Bomber, but if I want to nuke UK knowing you have no fighters, this may be a legit buy).  This is the problem of buying navy UK1…that’s why I say either wait for UK3/US3 maneuver  or just save money and dump it on UK2…you have to watch those German buys (As Germany, I’ll be whacking the Brits with my subs though)…let the Gringos live for now…I have Russians to kill.

Yes, UK could wait for UK2 turn, and then buy all out naval units, no problem there, although I prefer on putting pressure on Germany right away. I am not sure how German 2 Subs + 3 FTR + 2 Bombers can take out 2 UK Carriers, 3 FTR OR 4 FTR if I fly one of the Russian FTR over there + UK DD, that’s a pretty strong naval fleet UK has there which interrupts any plans for Germany on thinking they can “take it easy”.

I am trying to figure out what would be a good US1 buy, it needs to be something that can get there on US2 turn to support UK2 turn buy if we decide to save cash on UK1 turn.