Posts made by AxisBrutality

@Mallery29:

surprise tactics don’t work when they have a huge chance of failure.  You assume you will take New Guinea, which even though is 67% odds, still is a huge gamble to put on for 1 additional bomber.

I know math, I had a 780 on the math portion of the SAT (it’s English that I don’t know)…remember your idea with naval builds and how long it took to convince you not to destroy India with 3BBs?  It took like half this thread…do you think I would really argue a point so legitly if it was a reasonable tactic. Of course you’re not going to announce what you are going to do.  But you fail to recognize the key point here.  BOMBERS CAN’T TAKE LAND!  To effectively save Russia and the UK,  you have to take the economics away from Japan.Â

I only argue bad strategies…You say Japan can’t do squat…guess what…while you’re so focused on Japan with your ingenious plan, Russia still falls, and the UK is next.  Your strat can’t stop that.

It’s easy to counter your moves because as I said, everything you have done is easily counterable (is that even a word?).  And when I mean easily counterable, it means that it can be defeated easily.Â

Let me know when you get bored beating children (that probably doesn’t sound right)…

Clearly, you get mad for some reason, and it is easely to see why is that.

Yes, I have 67% chance of taking New Guinea, so 2 out of 3 times I will succeed and 1 out of 3 I will fail. Does UK/India “die” just because I get 5 instead of 6 Bombers? I can then build 5 Bombers, 1 FTR, it’s just 1 IPC in cash and chances for me to buy 6 Bombers are on my side. I you are soooo worried, I can just save 7 IPC instead of 4 IPC. So you call that a failure, I don’t, because the calculator is clearly on my side.

I really don’t know if you would argue just for fun, because many times, it seems like you do just that, especially with me. I don’t know about others, I have only discussed with you and Hobbes, and I discuss with Hobbes without problems, without name calling and stuff like that, like you do. So who is childish?  And now you are “telling me” that I am “bearing children”, which I think is the lowest and most discusting argument I have heard so far. And from all places on a A&A-forum!

It’s great that you have 780 on your SAT, I live in Europe, we don’t need SAT because High School here is one year longer than in the U.S. so since you brag about your score, I can study in the U.S. but you can’t study in Europe with your High School diploma, because you will need addition fundation year OR a lot of AP-classes to compensate for that. But now we are not on the topic here.

Bombers can’t take land, I know that, but my UK units on India can, after Japan has NO Naval units or FTR after J2. So Japan CAN’T take land either with NO boats. What are Japanese INF going to do on those islands, start swimming towards China and Manchuria and FIC? Maybe they should have those kind of units, swim INF = cost 4 or something, moves 1 space, lol, but they don’t have that here in this game.

Yes, that is true, I found out that 3 BB on India is not good, and that is because East Indies wasn’t dead. Now, that I found out by myself how to protect Egypt so I can destroy East Indies, you were arguing against that, saying I “can’t” take Ukraine with 3 INF, 1 Art, 3 Tanks, 1 FTR, but I can, and I do massacre all that is in Ukraine, and still 2nd Russia FTR secured Egypt so that East Indies can go down to the bottom of the sea before Japan starts J1.

Clearly 6 Bombers are a LOT better than 3 BB, they move 6 spaces, while BB moves only 2. And they are a lot of cheaper, and you can’t attack them that easy as you can with BB, neither can you counter them with a lot of “cheap FTR”, like you can do against BB, with Subs.

Therefore Bombers are the fastest way to sink and destroy Japanese forces with a US2-UK3 knock out.

It seems that I have to repeat myself, but I would only use this strategy if a Japan does what you always say you will do, which is go Transport&INF and fortify FIC. I can’t do this strategy if Japan buys like 1 Sub, 2 Bombers already on J1. Then I would find something else to buy and go Solomon.

The same goes for Egypt IC. I would never buy an IC on Egypt if I can see that German player is massing forces on Libya to take on Egypt next, that is only doable when I see German player going Russian way. You seem to have problems understanding this.

So UK does base their strategy based on what Germany does, and then USA can choose what to do after they see what Japan has done with their combat and non-combat moves + what they bought.

So surprise does work if we listen and hear here what most Japanese players would have done on J1. And that is the point, a Japanese player can’t know what U.S. will do next, since Japan expects U.S. to go Solomon, and that is FINE, BUT in order for Japan to MAKE SURE USA goes THAT WAY, Japan MUST BUY something else, NOT STUPID 3 TRANSPORTS or 2 Transports for that matter, but something entirely else, and Japan must NOT then move most of it’s fleet towards FIC on J1.

@Mallery29:

You’re right, I’m wrong…I bow to the 42.2 master.�  I have to go to Beerfest at Petco in about an hour. I’m tired of talking to a brickwall (even though you’ve been owned over and over again).

LOL, well then, it’s a fact that Japan can’t do squat, this is a strategy based on the fact what Japan usually does. Which is, you said it yourself, building 3 Trans/3 Inf or some other similar type of mixture. I am not stupid to tell a Japanese player what I will do on US1. But I told you, and now you think you can “counter” that, but not according to what you say you will do, which isJapanese players goes for FIC, sending 2 units there, building additional Transports or/and INF + using FTRs on the mainland, that’s a fact, those are the things you are arguing for. And that is fine. Now I know how to counter that and that can be done because I can see where Japanese units are placed.

The main point here is the surprise. It is very easy here to say actually that you will conter that and I will counter this, and you say I don’t know anything, I knew how to protect Egypt, I knew how to stack India already massively on UK1 with 9 units, and I knew how to protect/support Szechwan, where US FTR is, which is important.

Now it is fine that you can brag about my Alaska IC being bad and the thing about Russian Carrier, ( which was just a suggestion to test out anyway ), but don’t think you are smarter than I am.

Especially when you are so “smart” and say I don’t know math, and I proved that you talk utter cr-ap, and I proved how UK gets 6 Bombers.

Now back to the surprise tactics. As mentioned, it’s easy to say you’ll counter something by knowing what I will do. When you don’t know what I’ll do, your combat moves and non-combat moves are totally different, and this strategy with the US2-UK3 knock out of Japan is based on the fact of what you have said that you’ll buy and do all the time, what most of Japanese players say anyway, which is to fortify FIC, most of the Japanese fleet goes to FIC, and Japan goes for more Transport&INF or a Carrier.

@Mallery29:

So you are saying you move your Pac Fleet to Iwo on US1 (and buy 3 bombers)?�  That’s your solution?�  With Japan having a Bomber, 4FTRs, CA, SS, BB, 2DDs, 2CVs in range? Are you insane? Please clarify what you have where…

No, I am not insane. That Japanese Fleet is usually withdrawn to FIC, most of it anyway. If you don’t like Iwo Jiwa, outside Alaska will give you the same effect, just the same, so that Japanese Fleet you are talking about can’t reach U.S. Fleet anyway, you know it, and I know it, that Japan sends most of it’s ships towards FIC. If not, then sending units to fortify FIC means Transports will be sacrificed.

By the way, Japan does NOT have 2 Carriers after their fleet has been wasted on East Indies, so you will have to BUY that Carrier for Japan if you want 2 CV to place your 4 FTR on it.

Furthermore, I have explained to you how many FTRs are with the U.S. Fleet.  2 DD, 1 Sub, 1 BB, 1 Carrier with 2 FTR on it, can be moved to either Iwo Jima or Alaska in order to attack everything you might put outside Japan by J2. Â

So any movement by U.S. Fleet is done after I see where you put your Japanese ships, then it’s easy for the U.S. to know what to do. You know that U.S. has FTR on WUS and EUS, and both can be moved to Alaska with the Bomber from EUS. There is 5th FTR USA has in Tibet/Szechwan which can be moved and positioned on Yakut.

I would build 3 Bombers and 1 Sub as I mentioned, all on the WUS. Panama Cruiser goes also to WUS.

U.S. will then be able to attack SZ60 with 5 FTRs, 4 Bombers, 1 BB, 1 Carrier, 1 Sub, 2 Destroyers. We all know that a Japanese player don’t have any clue what U.S. will do next so most Japanese players will expect the U.S. to go Solomon. And this is where the surpise is. Most Japanese players send Transports to fortify FIC which means most of the Japanese Fleet goes also there.  And we definitely know that Japan lands most of it’s 4 FTR on mainland.

So if anything of the Japanese fleet survives after US2, let’s give Emperor 2 or 3 boats left, and now I am very kind, then 6 UK Bombers will send that straight to the bottom of the sea anyway which means Japan will have no fleet or FTRs left, basically nothing. We are looking at a combined US2-UK3 knock-out here so that Japan is totally finished. Even if Japan builds some boats to rebuild them self on J3, USA still has 1 Sub, 1 Cruiser to strike waters of Japan again, and I would once again build 3 Bombers on US2 turn which can be used on US3 with 1 Sub, 1 Cruiser.

You can’t have that there when I wiped out your FTRs and bombers that supposedly landed somewhere (either Russia or some other mythical place you create)…try harder cupcake!

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Again, you seem to have feber. Mythical? What is that you don’t understand? 1 US FTR from Szechwan/Tibet goes to Yakut.
There are 2 FTR on Hawaii, 1 on land , 1 on Carrier, they both are now on the Carrier outside Iwo Jiwa. 4th and 5th FTR, one from West US, 1 from Eastern US land on Alaska. Bomber from Eastern US also lands there.

Still having serious problems in understanding this?  LOL at “mythical”. LMAO.

@Mallery29:

Hello again rookie, you think that is what Japan will have after USA attacks that on US2 with 5 FTR, 4 Bombers, 1 BB, 1 CV, 1 Sub and 2 DD? There are no more Japanese fleet when US2 starts and if there is anything left, then 6 UK Bombers will clean it up on UK3. So when J3 starts there are no Japanese boats, lol.

@Mallery29:

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, Russia falls, UK is conquered, and the world smells like sauerkraut….good job!

Lol, where is the “math” now? Guess you are quiet on that one. Russia falls? Really, you didn’t like any of suggestions for UK to field ships on first 2 rounds, so I might as well go Air Power and send Emperor-boys down to the bottom of the Pacific in combination with brutal Air and Naval Power, after J2, no more fleet for the Emperor, lol.

@Mallery29:

I love how incompetent your math skills are….3 bombers x 12 IPCs is 36…time to go back to 3rd grade!

Please remind me how 3 bombers (how you get 3 on UK1 at India baffles me), attack a BB, CV, 2DD, 2FTR, or a CA and CV w/2FTR…let me know how that turns out…

I know you are so wrong.  I’d rather take advice from my 6 year old.  Keep up the great strats!

No problem, pal, I will remind you, ask and you shall recieve, lol!

How I have 3 Bombers ready on UK2? Easy.
You do know that UK has a bomber on London ? That bomber flies to Evenki or Novosibirsk.

UK = 31 to spend. I buy 2 Bombers on India and 1 INF, save 4 IPC. UK will take New Guinea, that’s 1 IPC.
UK collects 31 + 1 for N-Guinea = 32 + 4 saved = 36

That’s another 3 Bombers on India to build on UK2. Have fun dying with your little Emperor Transports :)

MATH POWER RULES pal, learn it.

@Mallery29:

Oh, please do this, I beg you…so that way I can wipe them out and forever cripple the allies…this is a bad move on the US part…

2 Transports off Yunan. 2 Transports off Japan. � That’s 8 land units, and possibly 2FTRs and a Bomber. � Add in a CA and BB, and you now have 87% favor of Japan on this…Oh please make the Emperor happy…Dead Russians and dead Gringos? � I love it. I encourage it. �Â

“…like a poor marksman, you keep missing the target.” �Â

LOL, you clearly couldn’t comment on anything else? Because you know I am right. I can position FTRs other way also, how many times do I have to tell you that 2 FTRs can be on a Carrier outside Iwo Jiwa. 3rd US FTR from Szechwan can be on Yakut, and another 2 US FTR can be on Alaska with 2 INF + 1 UK Tank.  Happy now? :) You still die because a Japanese player will always assume that U.S. goes Solomon, thus Japan will build transports on J1.

You can build 2 Trans, do that, what are they going to do, you need to protect them. Remember, 3 UK Bombers starts FIRST before your socalled “attack” on J2.

It’s also fun that you encourage it and think it’s positive that Japan will have to draw 8 land units towards Far East, you do that, while I build another 3 UK Bombers on India on UK2. So I am wondering if UK should say hello somewhere with 3 Bombers on UK2 or with 6 Bombers on UK3. Just draw away Japanese units towards Far East.  It’s so perfect, after US attacks on US2 with all they got, 6 UK Bombers will also say “hi” on UK3. We’ll see what’s left of the Japanese fleet then after J2, lol.

@Mallery29:

Why are there five Russians on the Far East?  This is like placing troops in Madagascar to defend Africa.

So I can land 3 FTR there and the Bomber. I can’t put 5 INF on Buryatia, they can be attacked more easely there but on Soviet Far East, they are way more safe when Japan starts J1 and J2. It’s not like Japan can blitz through Buryatia to Yakut anyway, Japan has only INF on Manchuria.

OK, the US can only land on Japan with 2 infantry and 2 fighters (+ possibly 1 bomber and the bombardment shots) so that isn’t really a threat if Japan builds say, 4 inf and 2 fighters on J2. Plus an attempt to land on Japan would most likely result on the US fleet being attacked and destroyed on the next Japanese turn.

On J2 Japan can simply build infantry and fighters on Japan and send the fleet to land on FIC/Burma, stalling the UK advance and preventing any transports from being built on India.
Unless the initial transports survive (and they should be primary targets for Japan on J1) you need to buy ships to defend transports built on India, otherwise 1 bomber in Japan (or 1 carrier on SZ60) can sink them.
You’re risking a bit on India…
J1: buy 2 bombers and 1 sub. Sink all remaining UK ships and land everything on Burma.
J2: attack India with 7 inf, 2 art, 1 arm, 4 ftrs, 3 bombers, 1 cruiser, 1 battleship. UK defends with 1 AAGun, 5 inf, 2 arm, 4 ftrs and 3 bombers… 60% for Japan.

The overall odds would depend on the number of Allied fighters (and Russian armor) but even without Japan attacking India it has forced the Allies to defend it (at the expense of other areas, like Europe) and avoided being forced to defend SZ60 or to lose ships to the UK/US.
On J2 the fleet could then swing back to SZ60 to add more ships or to SZ61 to land more ground units on Asia. Or even send the transports to crack Egypt/Africa open for the Germans/Axis to take…
Japan’s fleet can be like an octopus at the beginning… you can try to squeeze it with the Allies but it can slip and slip and will only be caught if it wants to, makes a mistake or if there’s nothing else to hide.

Thanks for your reply again. Well yes, Japan could buy 2 Bombers, 1 Sub on J1. But the point is, Japanese player would never expect U.S. to buy 3 Bombers and 1 Sub and position all of it’s 5 FTRs to attack everything around Japan. Most Japanese players think that U.S. will go Solomon-Phillipines/Borneo way and not the Iwo-Jiwa-Manchuria or Kwantung way. Point is to draw Japanese fleet away from the FIC, and that can’t be do if U.S Fleet goes to Solomon.

So let’s be realistic, Japanese player will most likely never build 2 Bomber and 1 Sub on J1. So Japan has only J2 turn to do something about what I suggested to do with the U.S. on US1.

This strategy works a lot better of course as it is when you play in real terms, which is that you never tell your opponent what you will do with the U.S. So a Japanese player will most likely go for some kind of Transports, INF mixture on J1.

Yeah, it’s 60% for Japan if they attack India so it’s very risky, but I would have not 5 INF on India but 6 INF, (3 originally, 1 from Burma, 1 from Iran, 1 from Egypt + 1 Art). So 6 INF, 2 Tank, 1 Art, 4 FTR, 2 Bombers. I could also move Syrian INF to Iran on UK1 and further to India on UK2 which gives me 7 INF. And the U.S. “sacrifise” FTR from Szechwan to go to India, so that would be 5 FTR on India.
So you managed to draw away 1 U.S. FTR only but the rest of the attack can be done against the fleet, I don’t need to invade Japan, I can just send 2 U.S. INF to the Phillipines and the rest attacks Japanese fleet.

So as I said, Japan can only build something with a punch on J2, because a Japanese player can never know what USA will do on US1, so a Japanese player will most likely never build 2 Bombers and 1 Sub on J1 turn, units Japan is building will be soft targets for UK Bombers, such as Transports and Destroyers, so they will need additional support and Japan would expect U.S to go Solomon.

Impossible. Here’s why:

On US1 you move the fleet to SZ64.
On J2 it buys 1 carrier and 3 subs, sends the transports to Egypt and masses everything on SZ60.
On US2 it is impossible to land on Asia because the Japanese will destroy the US fleet. So, US2 the US buys 2 battleships and on J3 more 5 subs for Japan for SZ60.

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Thanks for the reply. Ok, so lets say no IC on Alaska. I move all of the U.S. Forces to Iwo Jiwa which is SZ59. What do you do then, I would like to know, still buy 3 sub and 1 carrier on J2 ?

I would buy on US1 - 3 bombers and 1 sub = 42 IPC. Put them all on Western U.S. Cruiser from Panama to Western U.S. also. 1 FTR is on Alaska which came from Eastern U.S. 1 more FTR from Szechwan to Soviet Far East. Now I can on US2 attack all you got on SZ60, whatever that is, you will have to move EVERYTHING you got to SZ60 or else I can attack Japan.

I would have 1 Carrier, 1 Transport with 2 INF, 1 Battleship, 1 Sub, 2 Destroyers, 5 FTR and 4 Bombers to attack you with on US2. Be my guest and do tell what you build and move on J2. �
The principle of my strategy can clearly be done anyway with no Alaska IC, the point is to scare Japans forces to defend Japan, so that India is safe and I can start having fun in FIC/Malaya and East Indies with the UK, where 7 IPC are.

And don’t worry, I will make sure that Mother Russia has 5 INF on Soviet Far East to protect 3 U.S. FTR there (1 from Szechwan, 1 from Carrier on Hawaii and 1 from Hawaii itself) FTR from Westen U.S. lands on a Carrier which is now positioned on Iwo Jima. U.S. Bomber from Eastern U.S. goes also to Soviet Far East. That’s a really nice base right there, 5 Russian INF with 3 U.S. FTR and 1 Bomber :) I would also land Russian FTR after the attack on Ukraine, land it on Kazakhstan, in order to be able to attack any Japanese troops on R2 with 5 INF + 1 FTR.

Also the positionng of my U.S. FTRs is optional, I can also land 2 of them on the Carrier on Iwo Jiwa, 3rd FTR on Yakut from Szechwan and 2 more on Alaska, so am I able to attack you on SZ62 as well.

Now, before I do all this, I could buy 2 Bombers, 1 Tank on India with the UK, on UK1. Save 1 IPC in cash. Another Bomber from London goes to Evenki. Now UK has 3 Bombers which can strike your fleet on UK2 before USA starts having fun on US2. Do also tell what you buy on J1, and where do you put it?

@Mallery29:

The fleet doesn’t die if it doesn’t advance….only the transport(s) and an esocrt/blocker…the rest of the fleet continues to mass at Solomons.

So basically, just trading Borneo with Japan? Ok then, when do you expect to actually hold Borneo permanently? That’s what I am intrested in, not just trading it. UK is better for trading, sabotaging Borneo and New Guinea already on UK1. But with U.S. , I want to take land, permanently.

Anyway, ready my respose on the other threat, I found out how to pull the same trick on Japan with no Alaska IC, which is the point, I want India free so they can k!ck ass in East-Indies, FIC and Malaya = 7 IPC there, only 1 sea zone from India.

@Mallery29:

When did transports become the entire US fleet? � You take the islands with transports and use a DD either as an escort (or a SS for this case) or a blocker for Borneo/Phillipines (I prefer Borneo because it’s harder for Japan to protect it). � The US just has to keep fortifying Solomons every turn with Naval/transports. �  Best situation to quickly eliminate Japan is to take the EI on UK1 (4inf vs 2inf), and US be in position to take Borneo US2. � There goes some risk with this (the always evil dice), but that’s how you cripple Japan effectively. � The economics gets immediately shifted in the Allies favor. � All the pressure is now on Germany to steam roll.

Japan can’t protect Borneo and the Phillipines, while trying to retake EI and contain India. � A hole will open up, and Japan can’t go after the Solomon’s because the US will win that battle (and is easily out of position, especially after EI falls).  A Japan that is 8 IPCs short I will take any day of the week as the Allies.

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You know that Russian Carrier was just something I wanted to test out, didn’t argue to buy that, it’s for testing to see what kind of effect does UK have when it is allowed to build a UK fleet right away from UK1. Something that needs to be tested out. You must play boring when you never test out things.

I know EI can be attacked with 4 INF, I said that long time ago, but I prefered stacking India with 10 units right away on UK1. Taking EI is also a good option, but it still doesn’t give U.S any leverage on Phillipines, the lines are way too long.

Again, I haven’t got the answer for how can US Fleet survive if they take Borneo or Phillipines on US2. They all die on J3 turn, and that is exactly what I am trying to avoid by rather threatening Japan and Manchuria. E-Indies can clearly be taken care off by the UK itself so U.S is not needed there, so U.S. option is to go for either Borneo OR Phillipines or go for Manchuria, which I can actually take and hold, without dying like the U.S fleet will die on J3 turn.

@Mallery29:

You must have gotten a different version of the game, because last I checked, FIC isn’t important (unless your rules state its a VC).  And you fail to understand the definition of a stalemate.  No side has the advantage, no side attacks.  The aggressor usually fails and gets pushed back.  I don’t need to read other threads to read about Russia’s 5% chance of survival.  Russia falls regardless…otherwise your German player frak’d up big time.  The question is, are you in position to prevent Germany from being able to conquer UK?  If Russia can hold out 5-6 turns, then the answer favors the Allies.Â

Japan’s defense perimeter of India should be at Yunan, not FIC (because of the transports/fleet position). (in a stalemate strat to give Germany time).

When did IPCs got irrelevant? So it’s irrelevant if UK takes Borneo and New Guinea on UK1 ? It’s irrelevant when UK takes FIC and Malaya which are another 3 IPC. Is it also irrelevant when USA visits Manchuria for another 3 IPC?

I play total victory, not V-City stuff. Well if Yunnan is the defense perimeter, you just gave away what I mentioned above or else you will have to move your fleet further south, and you can’t do that because of the U.S build up on Alaska. And then there is an option for UK to build another IC on FIC or EI since Japanese fleet will not be able to move away from Japan, they can’t even stop USA visiting Manchuria because of the 2 sea zones around Japan.

@Mallery29:

Read my lips: “You don’t need to go after India”.  Stalemate is all you need while you can send units up the middle (hence the HB Slam reference).  Meanwhile, Russian falls, and the UK becomes the next target of the Germans.  And Japan is still at 30 IPCs a turn.  The economics have to be turned to take advantage.

But there is no stalemate for Japan when they have to use all 4 FTR and bomber towards Japan because of the U.S. build up, therefore FIC is not stalemate, they are toast, you know that UK can have 10 units on India if UK wants to already after UK1 turn and before J1 starts it’s turn. So that’s a lot. Read also my reply in the other thread, alternatives UK can do to take Japans money easely on UK1 turn. So I can’t see how Russia falls, FIC is going to fall big time.

@Mallery29:

I’d rather build a CV for Japan than 2DDs…but if I’m not going after India, I’d probably go back to the days of 3Trans/3inf.� � If I’m going after India, it’s a EI complex with 2Trans.� �

Understand you were making a suggestion about the Russian FTR, but again, if it was a waste in 42.1, why repeat history (especially when Russia is under a bigger bullseye in this version).� � You can’t protect Egypt’s FTR (although I encourage Germany to attack G1), and you make taking Ukraine nearly impossible, which puts you back to the Ukraine German stack, which is why this move is totally selfish on Russia’s part.� � On top of this, one FTR has to land in Karelia, which will also be destroyed very quickly.� � So now you will lose any possible foothold and be wiped off the map by RD3 as Russia.� �

As for India, I would get the tanks on UK2.� � I’d go 2FTR, 2art, 1inf and get the two UK FTRs to WRus and the Bomber to Caucus.� � You need cheap D/offensive strike right away for India.� � Adding tanks on UK2 plus getting the FTRs there from WRus provide the punch/D you need for India.� � Meanwhile US can come backdoor the Japanese islands. (Borneo/Phillipines).� � �

The Alaska IC does nothing to reduce Japan’s income quickly.� � The islands are where the gold is at.� � If you build the IC US1 ( I can’t remember when you would build it, so please don’t take it as I’m saying you will build it US1), Japan fleet will be back off the coast of Japan on J2, and will go from an India strike to HB Slam through China.� � It could even make Egypt very tempting for the Japanese, while sending the rest of the fleet back up North.� � US needs to put an immediate threat on Japan’s income by staging at the Solomons whether or not you go KJF or not, this is probably the US fleet’s best move.� �

I know, that’s why I said I agree that attacking German Cruiser and Transport can be avoided, I was focusing on building a Carrier for Russia, would like to test that out.

Well, Manchuria = Phillipines, 3 IPC both of them, right? Problem is, I can’t see how U.S. fleet survives past taking Phillipiens on US2? On J3, the whole US fleet is bye bye. That’s the problem. From West U.S. to Soviet Far East, there are only 3 sea sones, and only 2 sones to Alaska, which mean a massive U.S. Fleet build up can take place. That’s not the case if we go the “gold island way”, which is through Solomon and then jumping on either Borneo or Phillipines.

If someone wants Borneo that bad, even UK can take it actually on UK1, just send 2 INF, they will most likely win over 1 INF. And UK can take New Guinea too while at it, that’s 5 IPC extra for the UK. Doesn’t need US to do that kind of attack.
And I can still attack East Indies fleet because 2 TT with 2 INF each is all it takes to attack Borneo and New Guinea. That’s a fight for 5 IPC.

Problem is, I can’t see how US fleet survives on Phillipines when J3 turn starts, supply lines are too LONG for U.S., Panama Cruiser is too far away, FTR from Eastern U.S is also to far away. If we go Alaska, I can already put 1 FTR and 1 Bomber on Soviet Far East, getting ready to pound Japanese INF with U.S. Szechwan forces.

Basically Manchuria is 3 IPC, Phillipines is 3 IPC, so no difference in income. And UK can take both Borneo and New Guinea, and earn cash and cause problems to Japan just for fun on both islands already from the start.

You need to decide then what Japan does on J1, while Japan does not have clue what USA will do next. If you build 3 Trans, that’s to weak navy. If you build on EI and 2 Trans, that’s also weak navy. If you build Carrier as you said, well, less troops going on land, so you will have to decide, in the mean time US will be building BBs or a mixture of Subs or DDs with Bombers, Manchuria or FIC will be toast by US3.

@Mallery29:

Didn’t we already establish BBs are a waste of time?  We had this discussion about India buying BBs, and that got blown out of the water…so why would the US do the same damn thing to get the same damn result?   BBs are the biggest waste of money P E R I O D. PERIOD.  Â

That was me NOT attacking East Indies, and of course UK got dead then. Now that East Indies is dead, UK doesn’t need BBs on India and U.S. Forces on Szechwan survive also, that’s a big difference.

U.S. has 11 more IPC to build for than UK, but it can put 2 units on Alaska, so be my guest, choose which other units you want on Alaska, but the point is, Alaska IC is the quickest way to terrorize Japan directly, same goes for Manchuria which is only 2 spaces from Alaska and Russia is only 1 space from Alaska, which means Japan will NEVER take any Russian territory EVER, not with this build up. If you don’t like 2 BB, then build 2 Subs and rest on Bombers or 3 Bombers and 1 Sub, I am flexible. Point is, Japan is toast if U.S. goes all in on Alaska. Pressure on India will not even exist.

@Mallery29:

1. Japan doesn’t HAVE to go after India…it can stalemate it and still put heat on Russia. Losing the EI fleet leaves a CA, BB, 2DD, SS, CV, multiple FTRs and a Bomber in range.   If you put heat on Russia, it gives Germany the advantage when it needs to turn its attention to the UK.Â
2. Axis don’t need Egypt to win this game…they didn’t need Africa in 42.1 either.
3. Did I direct my India comments to you? No…
4. This was a mistake done by inept Russian players in 42.1 to go after the DD/Trans in the Baltic…it wasn’t needed and a waste of Russian time.  So why go after a CA?  Just either use both FTRs to hit Ukraine (to save tanks), or do what you suggest and send your FTR to Egypt.  I’d rather see that out my Russian ally than losing a FTR for no reason (if I saw my Russia ally do that, I’m just going to start building inf on UK to prepare for the invasion because there’s NO WAY Russia can make a valid stand to give the US/UK time to get into the war to save Russia).

1. Well, what will you build on J1 turn not knowing at all that US player will put an IC on Alaska? Most probably 2 TT, 2 DD right ? Or some kind of mixture of TTs and land units.
   So what does Japan build on J2 seeing 4 FTRs, 1 Bomber, 1 BB, 1 Carrier, 1 Sub, 1 Transport, 2 DD standing outside Alaska and on Soviet Far East already after US1 turn + another Battleship and Transport built on Western Canada on US1 turn which are joined by a US Cruiser from Panama, heading to Alaska on US2 and another 2 Battleships being built on Alaska on US2 turn. Do tell how Japan can pressure and with what, what do Japan buy having NO clue that a US player will build IC on Alaska + what will Japan build on J2 turn when they see what’s happening? Not much Japan can build to match what USA will have after US2 turn. At least not much if you want to have some kind of front on the mainland, remember Japan only have 4 FTR left after East Indies going toast, while the U.S will have the same number of FTR, and 4 times as many Battleships as Japan after US2 turn. I just looooove when they absorb hits and attack the coast :)

2. Well, where will you use the income left, build FTR on London ? It’s a possibility, 2 FTR on London and 2 Art and 1 INF on India, but I like Tanks on India though so I could go for only 1 FTR on London and save 3 IPC.

3. I agree regarding Cruiser and Transport, but it was just a suggestion. The core of my proposal was to build Russian Carrier on Karelia, that’s the point, that can be done without risking any of the Russian FTRs.  And of course, the best strategy is to send FTR to Egypt, I am just trying to see if there are ways to make that UK fleet getting ready as fast as possible which it can with the help of Russian Carrier, and I don’t need then to attack Cruiser and Transport, because Carrier can be built anyway.  So the point is to find out if Russia can go for a Carrier on R1 and no Russian FTR will be lost as long as they don’t attack German Cruiser and Transport.

@Mallery29:

Do we have to go through this again?

1. Alaska IC = waste of money = Alaska conquered by Japan.
2. UK fleet will get sacked on UK2 by the Germans if you build it
3. Egypt IC = waste of money = Egypt conquered by Axis
4. Why are we abandoning India?
5. The German CA/Trans is not worth Russia’s time/resources.
6. Taking Norway is a waste of UK resources when you end up losing it on G2 (and the naval)

1. No, there is NO chance for Japan to conquer Alaska. You must tell how do they do that ? And with what, when? Japan doesn’t have sh!t to attack Alaska with after they lose East Indies.
   U.S. has 1 BB, 2 DD, 1 Carrier with 2 FTRs, 1 Sub, 1 Transport, and that’s just what they start with. Add another 2 FTRs flying towards Alaska, 1 Bomber, 1 Cruiser from Panama to West U.S. and then U.S. builds another Transport, Battleship and IC. 
   On US2, USA builds another 2 Battleships, there is NO chance for Japan to take anything there. On US3 a lot of fun starts happening, not so fun for Japan though.

Another thing I should point out is that there are only 2 spaces from Alaska to Manchuria which is worth 3 IPC. USA can attack and take Manchuria, effectivly liberating or holding free all Russian territories and taking a territory worth 3 IPC just as Philipines.

Japan can try to move some of the fleet towards Alaska an we’ll see how long Japan has boats outside Alaska. Or Tokyo for that matter if they split anything in two.

2. The point is you can’t “sack UK fleet” and take Egypt at the same time. By looking at where Germany puts it’s fighters, UK can make a choice where to go for an IC, on Eastern Canada or Egypt. Since no German player wants to go “hard” into Egypt, then an IC is very much possible there. If a German player goes “hard” on Egypt, well, an IC can always be placed on either Eastern Canada for starting to build ships from UK2 turn or IC on South Africa, therefore Germany will not be EVER able to take whole Africa anyway. There is enough cash to build 3 units on India each round if needed.

3. I am not abandoning India, India will always be defended to the death according to my strategy, I am simply adding helpful additional production where UK can open a 2nd front, in Egypt or Eastern Canada.

4. This was just a suggestion regarding German Cruiser and Transport. It should be tested at least, there is no naval besides 2 or 3 German subs, since most German players will not try to take out 3 Carriers, 4 FTR, 1 DD, 1 Russian sub. As I said, I can just build an IC on Egypt OR Eastern Canada and UK will have either ground units OR naval units on UK2.

yeah, but at the same time with the Axis I’d probably make a spoiling attack on Egypt on J2 to kill some of those units there and then hit it again on G3 before the Allies could reinforce it. I don’t know the math but after Egypt falls then Germany focus on Africa and Russia and on J2 starts stacking on airpower and subs.

ICs on Alaska are a waste. You can’t threaten Phillipines/Borneo/East Indies to reduce Japan’s income, otherwise both countries will be almost matched at income production after Japan takes China (-4 for US, +4 for Japan, total of +8 for Axis
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You can do a “spoil” attack but only with 2 INF, 1 Art, 1 Armor. And 2 Transport. Now do you intend to protect those 2 Japanese Transport, or do you accept that they will die when UK3 turn start? If you don’t accept them dead then you need to send additional ships to protect them, and what does that mean? Less ships around Japan while the U.S. is building on Alaska.  That is perfect for the U.S.

In addition to this, you will remove 4 units from FIC, which means 4 less units to defend when India pays a visit there, and they will by UK3.

Yes, you can threaten the Phillipines on US2, but for how long can you hold it before Japan destroys that U.S. Fleet? Not for long. The point with Alaska is to build a massive U.S. fleet which will constantly threaten Tokyo directly + supplies to Russian Far East territories can be easely shipped there. It’s a matter of priority, do you want the U.S. to fight in the Phillipines or help Russia and India actually by drawing the whole Japanese fleet outside Tokyo.

Another point with the IC on Alaska is that Japanese troops can be actually attacked by U.S. Forces in China on US2. There are 2 INF, 1 FTR on Szechwan which I usually support with 1 Russian INF. Those forces can be moved to Sinkiang so that they are more out of the reach for Japanese FTRs which are usually stationed on FIC or just outside FIC. The US FTR from Hawaii would then go to Soviet Far East and land there where 4 or 5 Russian INF would be stationed. The same goes for the US Bomber making it possible to attack or harrass Japanese INFs on Anhwei on US2 with 2 INF, 2 FTR, 1 Bomber.