Posts made by Asterios

Put it this way, not saying either party is innocent, the problem I see is we have a new member who is a representative of GenCon and WotC who insulted a member of long standing here, it doesn’t matter who started it first, the fact is Gargantua does not represent this site or anyone, but smo63 does (or so he says), and as a representative of those groups his actions are under scrutiny even more so since he represents those groups, so his actions should have reflected so and if someone showed disbarrage to him he should have ignored them as any decent rep would, but he did not and he compounded his mistake by disrespecting said seasoned member which gives many people cause how much his actions are endorsed by said groups.

That is what i’m trying to say, cause right now my opinion of both groups (GenCon and WotC) went downhill if smo63 is a representative of theirs in goodstanding like Miamiumike says he is.

@ghr2:

And your point Scarapis?

let me thin his quote to Gargantua even more shall we since its obvious the obvious eludes you:

Gargantua, Yes, you are a villian and have a small mind to back it. � I can’t believe you were even competent enough to respond to this post without hurting yourself.

@LeonidasBush:

The game starts in Spring of 1942, after the attack on Pearl Harbor. � If it were the Attack on Pearl Harbor there would be at least a battleship there and, as you mentioned, no aircraft career. � History takes a hit with this board game, but if the Japanese do attack Pearl Harbor on their first turn it isn’t December 7th, 1941.

yes but not aware of any more Japanese occursions on Hawaii after the attack on Pearl Harbor

@ghr2:

This thread has become a Greg bashing fest for no reason.�  Scarapis, even if Greg’s team were creasting radical rule changes, wotc would not give 2 flippin S!@#s what kinda of tournament rules greg or whomever he works with at gencon.�  They are trying to appeal to new people as well as seasoned ones.�  Frankly, I bet wotc is happy to see greg help to expand the community.�  More players = more sold games = more profits.� Â

Not once has he or mm said anything truely hostile against the the online community in this thread, so I have no idea where people are getting (why is smor so hostile?).�  Things were all normal untill some people started bashing the people who were organizing the tournaments for talkign about having a different ruleset from what is played online.�  Why does everybody have to do things YOUR way then? (directed at people complaining about the tournament rules)

go check page 2 or heres a quote to read: (PS: I don’t play online either, I play FTF)
@smo63:

@Gargantua:

we wanted people to play asa much as possible, rather than spending additional time trying to figure out what NOs they had or how to get them.

What?

If you’re not competent enough to calculate NO’s at the end of the turn, or incorporate them into general strategic thinking, then you SHOULDN’T be playing Axis and Allies.

That’s like saying, “Lets play the game without Artillery, Cruisers, or Bombers, because we want people playing Axis and Allies, and not spending additional time figuring out what these units can do, and how many options they have”

Absurd.

Hold a risk tournament instead.

Gargantua, Yes, you are a villian and have a small mind to back it.  I can’t believe you were even competent enough to respond to this post without hurting yourself.  As far as those who shouldn’t be playing AA, really only those self proclaimed villians come to mind. Â

@miamiumike:

Scarapis,

but you represent the game itself and it behooves you to abide by the game rules or any other sanctioned rules supplied by them would it not? or do you not represent them, since sorry if your were in one of my teams, you would be terminated for failure to comply with the company guidelines.

Seriously dude, what part of OPTIONAL RULES do you not get? WotC and Larry Harris have blessed what Greg has produced. If you don’t like the format of the tournament because it does NOT make use of optional rules - that is cool - it really is. But don’t sit there and accuse people of somehow violating laws or some other corporate ‘code’ when you don’t have the first clue what you are talking about.

WotC is damn happy to have Greg do what he does - cause goodness knows no one else has stepped up to take over his duties.

MM

You dare, you have no clue who I am, but I sure know a PR disaster when I see one and Smo is quickly headed there, not only has he brought problems on here, but he has even brought this discussion up on other boards, do you honestly think he is secure in his job and that the company is happy with his work? do you wish to put it to the test, cause I can sure oblige you with that, not too mention WotC is oblivious to his rule changes and one thing I know is they are stickler for rules and sticklers for making sure they are enforced, furthermore its not like he only removed the optional rules, but he added new rules of his own design, so before you go getting on your high horse better make sure you have a leg to stand on, as it goes, I only got into this convo because I thought it was disgraceful for a couple of newbie members here to insult several seasoned members, and that is also one thing WotC does not tolerate either since it gives them a bad image.

@smo63:

@Cow:

No, NO games are fun, just give axis a 7 bid or something if it is aa50 1941. No bid for 42.

No bid for global, japan is harder to deal with. Russia and London harder to capture. evens out.

Cow, but the bid helps to determine who plays what side without having to just roll a dice.  It give the players something to shoot for when determining what side they would rather play…

now this is one thing that always gets me, is you have to bid to play who you wish ? why not draw lots and do it that way, me personally I don’t care who I play i’ve played the Russians even and still did well with them, the true strategy player is the one who wins with what he has, not what he wants.

@smo63:

@Scarapis:

By the Way i’m curious if any of these arbitary rules are in the Official game rulebook or even errata put out by WotC cause I have found none regarding said rules, and to be honest I would be a bit miffed if I went to a game con to play a game along the current rules and find out some organiser decided to throw in some rules he made up for fun.

These are NOT arbitrary rules.  They are rules created to be able to play the OTB AA games in a tournament setting.  Larry has agreed to most of these rules and in some cases written portions of them.  SO, I am not sure I understand what is there not to understand and what is so arbitrary about this…?

So lets get this straight, you make up rules along with Larry (why doesn’t he do an errata for Hasbro/WotC/AH to put out?), and yet never checked with said companies to seek approval for said rules used in an official game environment, its one thing if you were just some people getting together and playing a game, but you represent the game itself and it behooves you to abide by the game rules or any other sanctioned rules supplied by them would it not? or do you not represent them, since sorry if your were in one of my teams, you would be terminated for failure to comply with the company guidelines.

Ok, this has always bothered me, but why do they have the carrier in Hawaiin waters? reality is the pacific Carrier fleet was not present when Japan attacked Pearl Harbor, but the way it is now, when the Japanese do their attack on Pearl Harbor, they usually wipe out the American Carrier fleet, which does not follow history.

@BushidoBlitz:

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Let me Guess, you guys don’t get many new players do you? most new players I’ve seen first thing they do is check out the rules, and learn them so they are not totally lost, by changing the rules and such your throwing a wrench into their game enjoyment, furthermore, most companies I know of and worked with do not allow any change to their rules for games they sponsor and sanction, some do have a shortened play version, but they also have errata effecting this, so i’m curious how many of the rules has Greg removed and/or changed from the original rules and is Hasbro/WotC/AH aware of this?

By the Way i’m curious if any of these arbitary rules are in the Official game rulebook or even errata put out by WotC cause I have found none regarding said rules, and to be honest I would be a bit miffed if I went to a game con to play a game along the current rules and find out some organiser decided to throw in some rules he made up for fun.

My 2 cents, I already no the original way to play, and I’d rather learn the new way to play, and as an organiser of conventions and events in the past for various other things, people want to know about the new rules and new stuff before rehashing the old things.

so not sure where you did your organising at or who gave you the input, but people do not go to play the same old same old but to learn the new stuff, hell they run conventions for the explicit reason of teaching and showing the new stuff, not the old stuff.

funny thing is my Brithday is on the 18th. of Sept. so i’ll have to see if I can either get my wife or folks to get me the games for my birthday  8-)

ugh :-P more games to add to my list to get.

mine haqs a copyright of 1999, so there are 2 versions of A&A: Europe?

@CWO:

@Scarapis:

You did read what you quoted right? let me underline some parts: […]

I didn’t notice that the verso of the flyers said 2 boards for Pacific and 1 board for Europe, but I would assume that the reference to one board for Europe is a typo – or inconsistent writing by a WotC staffer who’s referring to the overall Europe playing map rather than to the two boards it’s [presumably] made from.  The original Europe 1940 and Pacific 1940 boards were each composed of two sections, so why would WotC switch to a one-section board for E40-II while keeping a two-section board for P40-II?  Could WotC even physically produce a one-piece 35"x32" game board?  Would it be practical to give it the extra folding it would need to fit in the box, compared with two separate boards?  Maybe yes, but a simpler explanation would be that the flyer is just badly written.

ok now i’m confused since my A&A: Europe has only one game board and shows only one game board in the instructions and pics, so am I missing something here?

You did read what you quoted right? let me underline some parts:

@CWO:

@Scarapis:

The Europe game says it comes with 1 game board so a total of 3 game boards?

There’s no difference between the board specification in the two announcements:

"Same great game as the last version of Europe 1940, including the extra large 35˝ x 32˝ game board for a greater play experience."  /  “Same great game as the last version of Pacific 1940, including the extra large 35˝ x 32˝ game board for a greater play experience.”

"Both game boards unite to create a massive 70” x 32” playing field that will let you experience the full scale of World War II global conflict!"  / “Both game boards unite to create a massive 70” x 32” playing field that will let you experience the full scale of World War II global conflict!”

In other words: The Pacific game has two boards which assemble into an overall game board measuring 35" x 32".  The Europe game has two boards which assemble into an overall game board measuring 35" x 32".  When you put the two Pacific boards together and the two Europe boards together (4 in all), you get a single Global board measuring 70" x 32".

now to highlight the box description:

Axis & Allies Pacific: 1940 (2012 Refresh)
2 Game Boards
1 Battle Strip
1 Casualty Strip
100 National Control markers
16 Industrial Complex markers
16 Naval Base markers
16 Air Base markers
5 National Storage Boxes
80 chips
10 dice

& Allies Europe: 1940 (2012 Refresh)
1 Rulebook
1 Game Board
5 National Storage Boxes
1 Research & Development Chart
1 Battle and Casualty Strip
100 National Control Markers
16 Naval Base Markers
14 Air Base Markers
22 Industrial Complex Markers
80 Chips
6 Dice
610 Plastic Miniatures

The Europe game says it comes with 1 game board so a total of 3 game boards?

The Pacific game says it comes with 2 game boards, is this normal or a goof?

sorry had to vote for my old group the 101st.

hopefully this helps: