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Thanks.

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@pejon_88 said in L22 playoff game Pejon_88 (X+6) vs. AoW (A) PTV:

@artofwar1947 So tiresome that the engine doesn’t seem to warn about to few landing spots during combat move… I have moved my planes as best I can to make space for all planes, but there seems to be none for the Malaya fig that’s left. What do you propose? Re-play the round, let it go down (which would’ve been an illegal move). Sorry!

Though I never seen the program allow an illegal move, I suppose this is possible. (I have seen it choose an aircraft with more remaining spaces chosen as a loss over an aircraft with fewer remaining spaces. But that does not seem to apply here.)
An alternative is that moving a fighter from Kwangsi to Malaya was legal according to the logic of the program but that your NCM did not conform to this logic (i.e., the program figured that fighter that attacked Malaya from Kwangsi was supposed to land on the CV now in 132). It would take a deep analysis to figure out which is true or if there is another reason.

I would rather not redo the whole CM and combat. The allies scored 3 hits on 10 rolls at 2–slightly better than the 2.67 hits expected: 2.67. I don’t trust Marti to be so kind in a redo.

As I see it, you have three options:

Do the deep but time-consuming analysis and figure out if you can adjust your NCM to comply with program’s logic (if the analysis indicates this is the case).
Redo the battle of Malaya only, leaving the otherwise stranded fighter out of fight (leaving it in Kwangsi).
Leave the map as it is and ditch the stranded fighter.
I’d prefer Option 3 :), but sportsmanship dictates I could accept Option 1 or 2.

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@pejon_88

Thanks for putting the game file on a separate line where it is more obvious for those of us with poor eyesight.

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Game History

Round: 5

    Purchase Units - Russians
        Russians buy 2 armour, 3 artilleries, 1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Politics - Russians
        Russians takes Political Action: Political Action Russians To War With Japanese
            Russians succeeds on action: Political Action Russians To War With Japanese: Changing Relationship for Japanese and Russians from Neutrality to Unprovoked
            Russians succeeds on action: Political Action Russians To War With Japanese: Changing Relationship for Russians and Chinese from Neutrality to Allied
            Russians succeeds on action: Political Action Russians To War With Japanese: Changing Relationship for Russians and Dutch from Neutrality to Friendly

    Combat Move - Russians
        Trigger Russians Unrestricted Movement: Setting movementRestrictionTerritories cleared for rulesAttachment attached to Russians
        1 infantry moved from Amur to Korea
              Russians take Korea from Japanese
        1 infantry moved from Buryatia to Northern Manchuria
              Chinese take Northern Manchuria from Japanese

    Combat - Russians

    Non Combat Move - Russians
        1 cruiser moved from 117 Sea Zone to 118 Sea Zone
        6 armour and 5 mech_infantrys moved from Stalingrad to Southern Caucasus
        1 infantry moved from Tambov to Stalingrad
        3 infantry moved from Samara to Stalingrad
        2 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Urals to Stalingrad
        1 artillery and 5 infantry moved from Russia to Samara
        2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Russia to Stalingrad
        1 aaGun and 4 infantry moved from Yaroslavl to Gorky
        1 aaGun and 6 infantry moved from Smolensk to Yaroslavl
        1 infantry moved from Buryatia to Amur
        1 aaGun and 6 infantry moved from Buryatia to Northern Manchuria
        1 artillery moved from Amur to Northern Manchuria
        1 submarine moved from 35 Sea Zone to 55 Sea Zone

    Place Units - Russians
        3 artilleries placed in Stalingrad
        2 armour and 1 mech_infantry placed in Urals
        1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber placed in Russia

    Turn Complete - Russians
        Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 3
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 6 Sea Zone. Rolls: 2,1
        Russians collect 31 PUs (3 lost to blockades); end with 31 PUs
        Trigger Russians 7 Great Patriotic War: Russians met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 34 PUs
        Trigger Russians 2 Persia Lend Lease Lane: Russians met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 36 PUs
        Trigger Russians 3 Siberia Lend Lease Lane: Russians met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 38 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

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@pejon_88

That is sportsmanship above and beyond the call of duty.

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@pejon_88

Thanks, the visually and attentively impaired would be appreciative.

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@pejon_88
It required more thinking than I like do on a Saturday morning, but ultimately, the Rus I, F and Tac and the Ger I all had three rolls, and out of that mess, there was only one hit by the Rus Tac in the third round.

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Pejon over Art-of-War in 2022 PTV Playoff game. Strong Axis push both west and east wins the day.

https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/topic/39565/l22-playoff-game-pejon_88-x-6-vs-aow-a-ptv

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@pejon_88

Works well for me. I ly currenthave two games with good players and have my hands full.

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@aequitas-et-veritas

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Game History

Round: 9

    Combat Move - Russians
        1 infantry moved from Stalingrad to Kazakhstan
        2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Rostov to Kazakhstan

    Combat - Russians
        Battle in Kazakhstan
            Russians attack with 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
            Germans defend with 1 mech_infantry
                Russians roll dice for 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Kazakhstan, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1.83 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 mech_infantry in Kazakhstan, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 mech_infantry owned by the Germans lost in Kazakhstan
            Russians win, taking Kazakhstan from Germans with 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 5
            Casualties for Germans: 1 mech_infantry

    Non Combat Move - Russians
        2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kazakhstan to Stalingrad
        4 infantry moved from Rostov to Stalingrad
        2 aaGuns and 9 infantry moved from Yakut S.S.R. to Yenisey

    Turn Complete - Russians

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Germans regular : -0.33
Russians regular : -0.83

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@aequitas-et-veritas

Did not scramble to defend It. DD in SZ 99, because the probability of a UK win was 100%.

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Game History

Round: 11

    Purchase Units - Americans
        Americans buy 1 armour, 2 carriers, 2 fighters, 1 infantry, 2 tactical_bombers and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Americans
        1 infantry moved from Yugoslavia to Slovakia Hungary
        2 fighters moved from Yugoslavia to Slovakia Hungary
        1 infantry moved from Yugoslavia to Romania
        1 bomber and 2 fighters moved from Yugoslavia to Romania
        1 cruiser and 5 transports moved from 99 Sea Zone to 100 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 55 Sea Zone to 47 Sea Zone
        11 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from 55 Sea Zone to 47 Sea Zone
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Queensland to 47 Sea Zone

    Combat - Americans
        Battle in Romania
            Americans attack with 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 1 infantry
            Germans defend with 1 mech_infantry
                Americans roll dice for 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 1 infantry in Romania, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1.67 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 mech_infantry in Romania, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 mech_infantry owned by the Germans lost in Romania
            Americans win, taking Romania from Germans with 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 5
            Casualties for Germans: 1 mech_infantry
        Battle in Slovakia Hungary
            Americans attack with 2 fighters and 1 infantry
            Germans defend with 1 infantry
                Americans roll dice for 2 fighters and 1 infantry in Slovakia Hungary, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.17 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Slovakia Hungary, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Slovakia Hungary
            Americans win, taking Slovakia Hungary from Germans with 2 fighters and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
        Battle in 47 Sea Zone
            Americans attack with 11 fighters, 1 submarine and 4 tactical_bombers
            Japanese defend with 1 destroyer
                Americans roll dice for 1 submarine in 47 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 11 fighters and 4 tactical_bombers in 47 Sea Zone, round 2 : 11/15 hits, 8.17 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 destroyer in 47 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 submarine owned by the Americans and 1 destroyer owned by the Japanese lost in 47 Sea Zone
            Americans win with 11 fighters and 4 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2
            Casualties for Americans: 1 submarine
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 destroyer

    Non Combat Move - Americans
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Hawaiian Islands to 27 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 27 Sea Zone to 55 Sea Zone
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Hawaiian Islands to 55 Sea Zone
        11 fighters and 4 tactical_bombers moved from 47 Sea Zone to 55 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from Western United States to 11 Sea Zone
        2 destroyers, 2 infantry, 2 submarines and 1 transport moved from 11 Sea Zone to 27 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from 27 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 55 Sea Zone to Queensland
        2 infantry moved from Eastern United States to 104 Sea Zone
        1 carrier, 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 104 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from 93 Sea Zone to Morocco
        2 fighters moved from Eastern United States to 93 Sea Zone
        2 submarines moved from 95 Sea Zone to 99 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 93 Sea Zone to 95 Sea Zone
        1 aaGun, 1 armour, 1 artillery, 3 infantry, 1 marine and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Yugoslavia to Albania
        2 fighters moved from Slovakia Hungary to Albania
        1 bomber and 2 fighters moved from Romania to Albania

    Place Units - Americans
        1 armour, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber placed in Western United States
        1 carrier and 1 transport placed in 11 Sea Zone
        1 carrier placed in 104 Sea Zone
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber placed in Eastern United States

    Turn Complete - Americans
        Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 0
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 99 Sea Zone. Rolls: 5
        Americans collect 66 PUs; end with 67 PUs
        Trigger Americans 7 North Africa Beach Head: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 72 PUs
        Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 82 PUs
        Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 87 PUs
        Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 92 PUs

    Purchase Units - Chinese
        Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed
        Chinese buy 3 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Chinese
        Trigger Chinese Guerilla Kiangsi: Chinese has 1 infantry placed in Kiangsi
        1 infantry moved from Inner Mongolia to Honan
        1 fighter and 1 infantry moved from Tsinghai to Honan

    Combat - Chinese
        Chinese creates battle in territory Kiangsi
        Battle in Honan
            Chinese attack with 1 fighter and 2 infantry
            Japanese defend with 1 infantry
                Chinese roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Honan, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 0.83 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Honan, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese and 1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Honan
            Chinese win, taking Kiangsi from Japanese, taking Honan from Japanese with 1 fighter and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
            Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Chinese
        1 infantry moved from Hunan to Szechwan
        1 fighter moved from Honan to Hopei
        6 infantry moved from Tsinghai to Hopei

    Place Units - Chinese
        1 infantry placed in Kansu
        1 infantry placed in Eastern Sinkiang
        1 infantry placed in Hopei

    Turn Complete - Chinese
        Chinese collect 9 PUs; end with 10 PUs

    Purchase Units - British
        British buy 2 armour, 2 fighters, 2 infantry, 2 submarines and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Purchase Units - UK_Pacific
        UK_Pacific buy 1 artillery and 2 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - British
        1 armour moved from Stalingrad to Kazakhstan
              British take Kazakhstan from Germans
        1 armour moved from Kazakhstan to Stalingrad
        2 battleships, 2 carriers, 3 cruisers, 2 destroyers and 1 transport moved from 99 Sea Zone to 100 Sea Zone
        1 bomber and 6 fighters moved from Yugoslavia to 99 Sea Zone

    Combat - British
        Battle in 99 Sea Zone
            British attack with 1 bomber, 7 fighters and 2 submarines; Americans loiter and taunt
            Italians defend with 1 destroyer
                British roll dice for 2 submarines in 99 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                Italians roll dice for 1 destroyer in 99 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 destroyer owned by the Italians and 1 submarine owned by the British lost in 99 Sea Zone
            British win with 1 bomber, 7 fighters and 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2
            Casualties for British: 1 submarine
            Casualties for Italians: 1 destroyer

    Non Combat Move - British
        2 aaGuns, 5 armour, 10 artilleries, 23 infantry, 4 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Eastern India to Burma
        1 armour moved from Western India to Burma
        1 mech_infantry moved from Baluchistan to Eastern India
        1 fighter moved from Southern Persia to Eastern India
        1 transport moved from 74 Sea Zone to 73 Sea Zone
        1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Southern Caucasus to Stalingrad
        1 infantry moved from Southern Caucasus to Northern Caucasus
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Northwest Persia to Southern Caucasus
        1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Southern Persia to Southern Caucasus
        1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Iraq to Southern Caucasus
        1 armour, 1 artillery, 4 infantry, 1 marine and 1 mech_infantry moved from Yugoslavia to Albania
        1 bomber moved from 99 Sea Zone to Egypt
        1 fighter moved from Egypt to 100 Sea Zone
        7 fighters moved from 99 Sea Zone to Albania

    Place Units - British
        1 submarine placed in 109 Sea Zone
        1 fighter, 1 submarine and 1 transport placed in 100 Sea Zone
        2 armour and 1 fighter placed in Southern Persia
        2 infantry placed in Union of South Africa
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from 95 Sea Zone: 1 submarine
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to 99 Sea Zone: 1 submarine
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

    Turn Complete - British
        British collect 42 PUs; end with 42 PUs
        Trigger British 3 No Enemy Submarines: British met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 45 PUs
        Objective British 4 Control Convoy Lanes: British met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 48 PUs
        Objective British 1 Original: British met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 51 PUs
        Objective British 2 Southern Europe Beach Head: British met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 54 PUs

    Place Units - UK_Pacific
        1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Eastern India

    Turn Complete - UK_Pacific
        UK_Pacific collect 7 PUs; end with 7 PUs
        Trigger UK Pacific 4 No Enemy Submarines: UK_Pacific met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 10 PUs
        Some Units in Eastern India change ownership: 1 artillery and 2 infantry

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Chinese regular : 1.17
Americans regular : 1.67
Italians regular : 0.67
Japanese regular : 1.33
Germans regular : -0.67
British regular : 0.33

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@aequitas-et-veritas

I am using 2.6 for another game. I hate it because it often does not load current troop strength in the Battle Calculator. But if not practical to continue with 2.5, then okay.

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@aequitas-et-veritas

Did not scramble to defend Paulau or SZ 22 because the probability of a US win was 100%.

Two UK subs in SZ 113 should be in SZ 108. Thanks.

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@mr_stucifer

The scramble rule for air bases and CVs is the same for land territories but different for sea zones. I find this inconsistency in the rules inelegant and I still have to consciously think each time what rule applies.

Do you want me to enter the French move or do the French have something their planning?

ArtofWar1947

@mr_stucifer

It worked. Need to think about the J7 options.

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@mr_stucifer

Thanks for the interesting and challenging game. You did not play like someone new to the league.

The Axis + 9 is yours.

If you need a cheat sheet to set the game, I can send you mine (which I still use every time I set up a new game).

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Bid: Axis +9
*Italian inf in Tobruk (3)
*German sub in SZ 111 (6)
Total = 9
No tech
Regular luck

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@mr_stucifer

I noticed the following inquiry on the LGD:
Wanted to double check a rule here for BM/PtV: In OOB you can attack USSR with Italy and NCM German units in on their turn giving you the NO for Trade still, but being in original USSR territory. Is that legal for League play?

It appears that MrRoboto replied, “Yes.” I suspect this is true of OOB League play. But my recollections is the rule was changed so that, to occupy an ORIGINAL Russian territory (even on a NCM), Germany must declare war. So, in our game, Germany would need to declare war on Russia and forfeit the Peace NO of 5 to move into E.Poland or Bessarabia. Strangely, I ran a sim of the G3 move and the sim supports Roboto’s conclusion, not mine. So, you might want to get an official ruling from Gamerman or another moderator.

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@mr_stucifer

The French DD should have moved NCM to SZ 73.

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@mr_stucifer

Based on what I am finding, submarine appear to be a category of warships. Let me check, though, with Gamerman about the League’s definition of warship.