Posts made by Amon-Sul

an interesting debate here

maybe switch is right but even with the sacrifice of 28 IPC to 10 i don`t see how can the Allies brake Germany before Japan expands rapidly

@ncscswitch:

AND not set up their shuck from WUS.

what does these mean, is it a phrasis?

can somebody please tell me is these move legal

for example:
-it is UK`s turn
-UK player decides to attack Western Europe in an amphibious attack
-in Western Europe there is an IC

can the UK player say that he/she will send it´s bomber to do SBR in Western Europe and in the same move attack the same territory in an amphibious attack(but without the bomber that bombed afcorse)

thank you

just tell me when you are ready
i ll be glad to test it

ok switch, but to continue this discussion
we need to go step by step

so if i play these R1
what will you buy on your G1

when you tell me this than i will tell you the UK story
beacuse my play with UK depends heavily on your buyings in G1

@ncscswitch:

Well, to start, by losing offensive strength, you lose your ability to trade territories with Germany.  If Russia maintains some offensive force, they can get paid for Ukraine for a few rounds and hold West Russia for a long time.  They can also get into trading Belo and Karelia with Germany.  That preserves Russia’s income, and keeps them building 8+  units per round.

By losing your offensive punch after R1, you can;t trade anymore.  After you get paid for Eastern, West Russia, and Ukraine on R1, that is it.  From there, every territory Germany takes is permamently lost income.

Within a few turns, Germany has liberated everything Russia took initially, and they hold Karelia, Archangel and Caucuses.  That last one is pretty serious since it give Germany a 4 unit IC adjacent to Moscow, and that can flow troops to and through both Persia and Kazakh.

By blowing all of Russia’s offensive power on R1, you get one good round of income, then are quickly reduced to an income of 8, 10, or 12…. about 3-4 INF per turn.  And that is before SBR’s.

As for fleets against Japan… that takes a few rounds to set up… rounds that allow Japan to get a LOT of forces into asia first… enough to kill those 6 eastern Russia INF, and take Bury, SFE, Yakut, Evenk, Novo and Kazakh.  That is the final nail for Russia.  once pinned down to that low of an income, it is a war of attrition that can only be blocked by massive infusions of AF by the Allies… and that also means the end of Allied ships in the Pacific.  Allies cannot afford landings in Europe AND AF to defend Moscow AND ships to attack Japan.  They can do 1 well, 2 poorly, and all 3 not at all.

Again, my opinion, YMMV.

i respect you as much experienced player but i still have my opinion
-first of all i told you to forget Caucaus because you simply cant take it
you have one tenk in Eastern Europe, some units in Ger, Seu, Weu, 4 fighters and a bomber
i have lots of infantry in Russia and Caucaus, i hold West Russia and Ukraine(you can attack it on G2)
with UK forces i hold Karelia(you can attack it on G2)

so even if you buy 8 tanks in G1 you cant take Caucaus in G3
i can hold Archangel and West Russia all the time, because they are 3 moves from Germany and Southern Europe
i wont trade territories-personally i think that trading territories with Germans is not a wise move
UK will each turn deploy 4 land units to either Karelia or Archangelsk, depends on the needs
(so, please enlight me, beacuse i simply dont see how can you take Caucaus with your 40 IPC per turn, while i produce 10 inf and bring 4 UK land units each turn)-yes you have a tenk in Eastern Europe and also 4 fig and a bom
but its simply not enough

-if Japan starts to spread through Russian lands intensively and in that way underarestimate the power of UK and USA he has signed his doom
-in first few turns it will be great for him
-but when he starts to receive less than 20 IPC, i dont think so

i am sorry switch but as i said before i dont need ofensive strength
i will buy inf only and defend the best i can
your Germany cant take my Moscow before 7th turn, maybe not even than
and Japan will have enormous losses fighting in the mainland,agaisnst US and UK navy

tell me what here is not possible

the odds for taking West Russia are 95%
you can check it by yourself or using the Proton Battle Sim

so forget German units in West Russia and the taking of Caucaus

so you want to say that if they unify it would turn the tide for the axis

@ncscswitch:

The short answer is no.

Killing that second FIG means the loss of 1 or both of Russia’s FIGs, and it means leaving West Russia intact, which means Germany starts with 1 INF, 1 ART more than they normally have on G1…
(Eastern has 2 INF, 1 ARM, 1 FIG;  WR has 3 INF, 1 ART, 1 ARM)

And those units are right where they need to be to threaten Moscow, instead of 2 turns and 2 combats away in Eastern.

That is a nice pick-up for Germany.

Given that open, I probably would not even bother with a Baltic AC… just sail out and engage the Brits, taking anything I could with my Baltic fleet, and send 8 ARM to West Russia, plus 4 FIGs and a BOM, then invade Moscow.  Back that up with an amphib on Caucuses combined with a land assault out of Ukraine and take Caucuses at the same time.Â

KRRF:  Kill Russia Realy Fast

i am sorry, but it seems to me that you havent read my post, or ….

yes but Russia can buy lots of units per turn
Germany´s position before it`s second move is that Germany has only a tenk between Moscow and Berlin

UK has two possibilities
1)UK can secure that Germans dont take anything beyond Anglo Egypt, but then an IC in India doesnt seem like a solution
2)UK can merge with the Australian transport and sub in South Compass Seazone and build an IC in Australia

In the second move UK can take East Indies with its expanded fleet and can also build some air or sea units in Australia
(The fighter from Bengal destroyed Japanese tranport and landed in Buryatia, later on it moved to the AC)
(the other fighter on the AC is Russian-from Caucaus, which moved to South Compass Seazpne in R2)

in these way, even with Germans Panzers harassing Africa UK can collect at least 30 IPC by taking East Indies and Borneo
USA should destroy Japan navy in Pear Harbour
and Japan faces enourmous threats on the sea
with lots of UK landings in India and French Indochina and with constant American pressure Japan will fall in sea and mainland
Russia only needs to hold, nothing more :-)

@ncscswitch:

This is a variant of a Caspian Sub strat that was previously discussed on the forum.

The short version to block it (I may miss 1 or 2 details)

1.  UK builds and AC, TRN and 2 INF.  Moves fleet to SZ6, palces new naval units in SZ6, lands existing FIGs on SZ6 AC.
        (Total UK fleet:  1 BB, 1 AC, 2 FIG, 2 TRN)
2.  USA sends 1 FIG, 1 BOM, 2 INF, 1 ART, 1 ARM from EUS to UK (via TRN offloading from SZ8)
3.  Russia sends their sub to join the UK fleet in SZ6 (or to SZ7, depending on where the Med Fleet is, but most likely to SZ6)

Net Effect:
UK now has some good land defense (6 INF, 2 ART, 2 ARM, 1 FIG, 2 BOM, 1 AA)
Baltic fleet has to fight its way to UK, and cannot link with the Med Fleet since the Med Fleet cannot reach SZ6
Many German TRN’s are going to be sunk as fodder in the naval battle, preventing an immediate landing in London… at least not with enough force to crack UK’s defenders.
Med Fleet, if it moved into the Atlantic, is now in range of US ships to be sunk in US2.  1 DST, 2 TRN, 1 FIG, 1 BOM against 1 BB, 1 TRN, 1 SUB.

By the end of Turn 3, with further naval/air builds by UK, and with second wave of US forces (2 more TRN, another DST, plust whatever AF and land units can be sent), the German fleets are pretty well gone, if not totally destroyed.

Meanwhile, with Germany diverting that much of their income West, Russia should be in Karelia, Belo and Ukraine, reducing Germany’s income by 7 IPC.  Germany is also kicke dout of Egypt, and should ahve lost Libya, and be about to lose Algeria (if not already lost).

So the gamble is…
Can Germany fight past a joint UK/USA defense of London in G2?Â

If they fail, they are already down 25% of their income, plus the lost units that were built as Navy in G1 and are now sunk (plus their bid). 
Russia has solidified their posiitons in German territories.
US and UK both have land units staged forward to UK that only need TRN’s to start large scale landings anywhere from Western to Norway (includign Germany and Eastern sicne the baltic Fleet was sunk in the North Sea).

Again, I may have missed some specific details, but if the UK player is awake on UK1 and sees the threat (kind of hard to miss) and unless the US player is incompetant, Geermany will blow their navy, amd a nice chunk of their AF, for a gain of only killing some Allied Fleet, after which, the Allies will hve uncontested control of teh seas and skies in and around Europe.

i think that these UK block in the first round can only secure its masacr nothing more; beacuse Germany attack with 4fig, 1bom, 3subs, 1des, 1AC and 4 tra

yes i think that Russia in these play should definitely attack West Russia-maybe retreat if necessarily
because the average chances are that Eastern Europe will be taken if you send there only one fighter; you will have to sacrifice a fighter to capture the territory with a tank, but if you send two fighters there one has to land in Karelia(it is doomed there)
-West Russia can be attacked with 6 inf 1 art 1 fig; average chances are that it will be taken with 2 inf 1 art and there is a fighter also
-Ukraine can be attacked with 3 inf 1 art 3 tanks; average chances are that Ukraine will be taken with 2 tanks
-so the odds for all the battles are definitely in Russia´s favour; the battle in Eastern Europe is a bit hard, but Russia can make it

this is the situation in Russian lands:
Karelia and Archangel are empty
West Russia is defended by 2 inf, 1art, 1AA
UKraine is defended by 2 tanks
Russia is defended by 8 inf
Caucaus is defended by 6 inf, 1fig, 1AA

Russia has lost;10 inf, 1 art, 1 ten, 1fig(units that worth 49 IPC)
Germany has lost;9 inf, 2 art, 3 tanks 2 fig(units that worth 70 IPC)
Germany faces the loss of two fighters and it will loose either a sub or a fighter when fighting the UK bat

Russia has collected 32 IPC; so it can buy 10 infantry in round 2

…Germany can take:Karelia with 5 inf;Eastern Europe with 2 tanks; Ukraine with 3 tanks and one inf(one takes the hit from the two Russian tanks); West Russia with one inf(because of the two hits from the Russian defence)-and there is still 1/3 chance that Germany will loose another figher-bbecauseWest Russia cannot be taken without air support
(Germany´s 3 IPC bid was used to place an inf in Libya-so there is one free fig and bom which can attack West Russia)

this is the situation in German lands:
Norway and Balkans are empty
Western Europe is defended with 4 inf, 1 art, 1 or 2 fig; Germany can leave one inf more if there is only one fighter there
Germany?-depends on the buy
Southern Europe?-depends on the buy
Eastern Europe is defended with 2 tanks
Karelia is defended with either 4 or 5 inf, it depends on Western Europe needs
West Russia is defended with 1 inf
Ukraine is defended with 3 tanks and one 1nf
Belorussia is empty

on UK´s first move it attacks Karelia with 2 inf, 1art, ten, 2fig, 1bom, 1bat-Germany looses 4 or 5 inf and kills 2 UK infantry
UK can buy enough land units to defend(if Germany bought only one 1AC or spent even less IPC to sea units)
2 UK fighters can land in Archangel and UK bomber can land in Novosibirsk-to pose a threat to Japanese sea units
On it´s second move Russia can take:West Russia with 4inf(3 if German inf hits); Ukraine with 2inf

the situation in Russian lands after its second move:
Karelia is defended with 1 UK art, ten
Archangel is defended with 2 UK fig and 2 Russian inf(which came from Russia)
West Russia is defended with 3 or 4 inf
Ukraine is defended with 2 inf
Caucaus is defended with 6 inf(from which 2 came from Russia) and with one fig
Moscow is defended with 6 inf

Russia has collected 29 IPC+the remaining 2 from the first round is 31

UK has enough space to build it´s navy, merge it with USA destroyer and 2 transports(which can bring some land units to UK in the first turns) and to constantly assault German lands-so USA can concetrate fully on Japan in the Pacific
and between Berlin and Moscow there is only one German tank-nothing more…

ok
i just want to say that these play has its bad and good sides

you shouldnt just throw it away in the beginning

but how can i find it, where?

very interesting

the two previous replys were against these

but its a radical strategy,  personally i like radical strategies

but these can give a serious punch to German defense against Allied Navy but also can give a big boost to Germany`s expanding in the East

-two sides of the same coin
its a sacrifice, but if it can bring some benefits to your Allies with which they can strike Germany more easily and brig Germany serious losses,  than i say it worths the losses of Russian fighter and armor

@jsp4563:

It’s an Axis & Allies software program you can download for free.  here’s the link:

http://triplea.sourceforge.net/mywiki

is there a program like this but for AA Revised

actually in my last game with Germany i bought 1 AC and 3 transports and placed them in Baltic
whenever i excpect a KGF game i will buy this, because it can slow down the allies big time

but can i move my fleet to Baltic in NCM