this post is for those who had questions about the hydrogen car I mentioned in the Iraq topic. (TM, YANNI, DEVIANT). I could not find the industry article I wanted, but I did find two good articles, one is a bit dated (oct. 2000) the other’s more current- motor age magazine nov. 2002.
the older magazine deals with the economic aspects of converting to hydrogen fuel. while the newer one deals with the upcomming 2004 release of the hydrogen “fuel celled” ford focus. but I’ll discuss both briefly here, and then I’ll ask why we need to allocate our tax money to a program already underway in the free market?
firstly there are two main types of hydrogen fuel cells out there. note that when I was growing up hydrogen fueled vehicles were based on modifying existing ICE vehicles to run on compressed hydrogen. which actually runs well- the drawback is the range- about 60 miles on a full tank of hydrogen. and like compressed natural gas, you get poor performance as the compression dies down- backfires-, and you need specialised filling stations. which place a huge burden on current gas station owners to convert. you cannot expect 100,000 gas station owners to convert or get out of the business- that’s not feasable economics.
so anyway, the two current versions of the fuel cell are basically huge batteries. one will use compressed hydrogen, the other will use methynol or ethynol, as a catalyst. the pros of methynol are that it’s easily adaptable, and can still provide the range required to keep customers happy.
how they work. I’m not a scientist like some of you, and TM might be better able to explain this than me, but here goes:
inside the fuel cell are several sets of catalytic plates (think battery). on one side you have the anode surrounded by the methynol (hydrogen rich) and on the other side the cathode (surrounded by the O2 we breath). sandwhiched in the middle is an electrolight goo (technical term) that allows the hydrogen rich methynol to send the hydrogen thru the electrolight goo and to the o2, creating water. however, as it passes thru the goo, the hydrogen’s proton and electron are seperated. the electron is then passed thru a conductor (the engine wiring) and used to do work before it is allowed to rejoin it’s proton and the oxygen atom.
so it’s very much like the PbSO4 reaction in your current lead acid battery.
it’s basically a big electric car, that benefits everyone. will it catch on??? who knows? but if it does it will probably be ten to 14 years before everyone has one.
so why do we need to allocate tax money for hydrogen fuel cell research?? mostly because many people feel the way yanni does about bush (that he’s pro oil), and he’s going to waste my money to prove you wrong. I feel that this money will utimately trickle into tax breaks for those who wish to drive these cars, and for retro fitting current gas stations.
ps. the study also says that the compressed hydrogen cars are already in service in germany - so ask F_ALK about them (likes/Dislikes)
Posts made by alamein
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Hydrogen fuel celled cars.posted in General Discussion
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RE: What WW2 commander do you most admire, and why?posted in General Discussion
I would rate rommel higher, but after el alamein, and his power struggles with the duce, hitler and kesselring, he just kind of gave up the war for lost. and quitting on your troops is unacceptable. even if you don’t believe you can win, you can’t let your troops down.
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RE: What WW2 commander do you most admire, and why?posted in General Discussion
right but that cuatiousness also worked very well for him in defeating rommel in the desert. I too felt his tactics were far to consevative, but never the less in africa he was good. I liked model too, until I read guderians panzer leader. guderian and model did not agree on many things.
patton is an obiously good american choice, but I had to rate hom lower because A) he wasn’t fighting on the eastern front against those battle hardened german troops. B) the anglo american forces were only opposed by 20-25% of the less trained soldiers. and C) he tried to liberate a concentration camp where his son in law was being held, the raid failed and cost people’s lives for “personal reasons”. I will agree though that he was my favorite american commander. and only behind zhokov on the allied side. zhokov not only for defense, but he did crush the sixth army. he learned well from the germans. -
RE: Reading listposted in General Discussion
Am I the only one who lives and dies with world war two books? awesome BArbarossa by alan cooke, rommel by ron lewin, panzer leader by heinz guderian??? I think alan cooke also wrote another really good book I liked called stalingrad…?? I also love to read junk novels. ra salvatore, loius lamore ect.
but for young adults I think they need the variety we were all forced to endure:
of mice and men
romeo and juleit, hamlet and ottello
fahrenheit 454
1984
and I had to read ernest hemmingways biography, he was a very interseting man, although I never actually liked the old man and the sea, or whatever it was we were forced to read.I think this variety is good, so that you can make your own descisions about what you think of the world. I had this variety and I think the wiorld still sucks, so who can say otherwise? although at the time it did embed a liberal streak that it took several years of hard labor to rid me of.
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RE: What WW2 commander do you most admire, and why?posted in General Discussion
the us commander from anzio (italy) was clark- and I think if D-Day hadn’t over shadowed his taking rome, many would think differently of him. I put him at #10. it wasn’t really that he sucked so much as kesselring was just that much better.
paulus was definately down there though. let’s look at some Italian generals (early in the african campaign) when they outnumbered and out gunned the british and still lost. or some of the french high command. during the first few weeks of the war. or how about the american commander at the kasserine pass- obviously IKE but I think alexander actually commanded this group of troops. if it wasn’t for german infighting the americans would likely have reconsidered helping the british. -
RE: Iraq, againposted in General Discussion
cystic- right, I kind of left the iraq string and was commenting about the isreali vs palestinian thing yanni and emu god had going there. sorry if my normal nonsensical babble became even more of a mess there.
besides what do we need canada for, we’ve already stolen most of your hockey teams and all the best players (only using this to lighten the mood). :lol:I believe the inspector did indeed refer to the french man as a “french government attache”… does his radio show have transcripts? in either case the point was that the weapons inspection/destruction program was compromised and was there fore ineffective in finding and removing these weapons which we knew to exist.
hey guys I finally found the spell checker. know I can spell my english almost as well as you foreigners! :wink:
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RE: German movesposted in Axis & Allies Classic
although cystic and I disagree about politics, his strategy is tried and true. although conventional wisdom is to attack the UK sea zone (thus sacrificing fighters) you needn’t do this on t1, even if the allies capture it, it can be easily re-caputed. a higher priority is protecting your armor so that you can knock out russia in t2 or t3.
since russia has no reserves in russia, your attacking karelia effectively destroys their counter attack ability.
you can protect your armor in one of two ways, either by using just your airpower and infantry in t1 vs karelia (and 1-3 tanks) since the planes can retreat once karelia is captured, your armored force is spared. or if you attack karelia with overwhelming odds 9 inf 6 armor and 5 planes, this produces a much higher kill rate, meaning that you should still have all your armor, plus 3 inf. and your planes. and at this point your armor is vulnerable, but only to the 8 inf and one aa gun in the caucauses, decent odds for you. now the advantage shifts to you, and you can re-inforce while dealing with the allied landings/fleet. -
RE: Iraq, againposted in General Discussion
cystic- I realize swinging the argument like that may seem pretty ludicrous to you, but it seemed only the next logical step in the way I’m seeing the arguments. EXAGGERATED yeah, but were do you stop? if you say that isreal should return the lands it captured, and that the US should return the lands of manifest destiny, where do you stop? why don’t we feel bad for killing off the native populations of the americas and give them back their land? they have every right to conduct terrorist attacks against us according to the arguments put forth. we killed them almost for sport. the israeli’s aren’t doing that. why should they be confined to reservations on the crappiest parts of their nation- far from their anscestral homes, and be made to feel thankful for government handouts. OH that’s right, we beat them into submission- unlike israel is doing.
I don’t think it’s ludicrous. just a gross exaggeration of how I think some of you think. at least isreal doesn’t have a football team called the “jerusalem stinking palestinians”. -
Iron Blitzposted in Player Help
Yanni or cystic- I have been searching everywhere for a legitimate copy of Ironblitz, however the two listed on ebay are way too steep for the quality of the game - one’s like 90.00 the other’s in the sixties. SB suggested asking about playing in the forums- what is this? how do we gain permission? and how does it work? a link would be sufficient.
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RE: I need help defeating Britian plz replyposted in Axis & Allies Classic
hey strong bad- what are you trying to accomplish with japan? what do you do as japan if in T1 russia takes manchuria? not critisism only a question.
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RE: What WW2 commander do you most admire, and why?posted in General Discussion
actually when I said auchenlich I meant ritchie, both were decent and both were stripped of troops- ritchie for greece and auchenlich for the far east.
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RE: Favorite Band?posted in General Discussion
Strong Boy - don’t ask people already think I’m racist war monger.
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RE: Iraq, againposted in General Discussion
ah cystic you flatter me. :oops:
my point in saying that was that the government has far more information than we do. they should act swiftly and decisively - and in the best interests of the majority. if they did this, regardless of what they do, people would respect this leadership and comply un questionably. but like the jungle- if you act indecisivley or hesitate your enemies can rally and your cause is thwarted. think of a couple lions attacking one of those huge water bison. if they attack, before the herd can organise, they only lament the loss of a herd member. but if the lion is spotted, the herd will not only protect itself - but run off the lions with force.
and we are animals after all.
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RE: Iraq, againposted in General Discussion
and i think that if we all chased peace in the way this forum is going, israel would have no state, germany should be given polland (prussia), china should get back tiawan, s. korea should be returned to the north, alaska to the inuits (I know I misspelled it) the south west returned to the apache, mexico to the myans, chille the incans, europe to the early chro magnons, and we should clone the mamoths to restore their population as well.
I personally think, we will attack iraq and uncover all the proof you need. and then your opinions will be swayed in much the same manner as those americans who oppossed WW2. not that you are wrong mind you, some people just look at facts differently. as a veteran I’m already pre disposed towards saddam. it will take less of an argument to convince me. now if we wre going into china- I have many chinese friends- it would take more than the sufferings of the tibetten monks to turn me against them. besides you guys seem to be more inclined towards traditional news outlets for info- CNN MSNBC ABC , I listen to neal boortz, rush and hannity for my news.OH, I don’t get to watch fox news much, but on the radio last week sean hannity had a guest on that was a former weapons inspector. he was part of the four man decision making team that chose the inspection sites (I wish I could remember his name), he said that on the hannity and colmes show he would bring out more proof that the french government actually compromised the sites by relaying them ahead of time to the Iraqies. to do their job he had to originally developed two lists, one which would be shared ahead of time with the french, and another real inspection site list- just to do his job effectively. and then when that ruse wore off they had to go with three lists, and allow the french attache’ to “find” the second list.
I think he’s supposed to be on this week. and I wouldn’t be suprised to find a simular thing going on now. back then the french did it for a government contract of some sort.
and does anyone remember the germans shipping weapons material to the Iraqies under the pretext of farming equipment??
those are facts, and that’s why I believe the president more than our european “allies”, they have a vested interest in the dictator.and unfortunately strongbad - no one does seem to care about the khurds. we could have taken out saddam in 91. but to keep that region stable we would have had to keep troops there for years, and invested millions to create a stable western style government that would not be overthrown by fundamentalists the moment we left.
at the time this was not too apealling as our forces were in the process of a massive reduction in strength - to cut the budjet. so the cia decided to incite the khurds to topple saddam, because they hated each other (like osama and saddam and us) saddam’s army was not allowed to use airpower against the khurds- so he merely eradicated their populance with chemical weapons. those who could, fled to turkey. if we had taken action then, you could justify it. but waiting ten years to seek justice seems a bit like lawyering for a fight. -
RE: Iraq, againposted in General Discussion
cystic are you calling ME a high and stupid hippie who equates the use and show of force with baby killing?? or are you talking about the president. I’m no hippie (I would have nuked college campuses in the 60’s and sent the unruly youth’s to concentration camps - had any of them survived) but that’s just me. and I’m no baby killer either. i wouldn’t even kill the child of my worst enemy- kids are innocent.
and as far as my political beliefs being extreme- I agree that they are radical. as are yours to me. but that’s what I find so great about this country ( even though you aren’t part of it, the internet places you here) - we can argue, we can vent, we can see that we have irreconcillable differences- respect each other’s opinion (which can’t be swayed) and move on - without having the country erupt into civil war.
YANNI- OH so that’s what happened, I read the kids posting and the warning, and I said to myself - “geez, I dont see anything wrong here- i’ve been calling out commies for two weeks now”. thanks for clearing that up. -
RE: Iron Blitz on the zone or a pbf gameposted in Player Locator
sorry no I couldn’t. most people I asked didn’t even know what it was. I’ll keep looking and I hope you whoop those commies. :wink:
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RE: What WW2 commander do you most admire, and why?posted in General Discussion
actually I believe genaeral leeb was in charge of army group north - and that hoth’s 4th panzer army had the best last chance at capturing lenningrad.
the finns did attack from the north, but both the germans and the finns found they had difficulty assaulting zhukov’s city defenses.
leeb gave it one last shot in sept or october of 41, but all of his armor was subsequently stripped to help capture kiev. hitler decieded to (and rightly so ) just to starve the city.
manstein was always attacked to army group south, although I don’t think he actually was in command of the whole army group until after stalingrad. his army gruops objective’s were all met, taking oddessa, the crimea, sevstapol, rostov, and he even moved on grosney. but over extension doomed his army group.
there was I believe a finnish commander named MANNERHEIM though, and I’ll wager that’s who you are thinking of. nice of a youngster to show some interest though. I figured you’d probably go for rommel. I liked and or admired him greatly- but after el alamein he realized that the war was lost, and no longer fought with his previuos vigor.