Convoy sz questions

@fanofbond:

The US is amphibious assaulting Korea and can the planes in japan scramble to kill the transports in the seazone.  The are no jap ships in the sea zone.

The scrambling fighters will defend the seazone, not the territory.

@Commando:

Krieghund, I’m confused. Do I have this right? If a transport accompanied by a cruiser, moves into a seazone w/an enemy sub, the cruiser stays in the seazone w/the enemy sub & asks if the enemy sub wants to fight or submerge but the transport moves out of the seazone(b/cuz it picked up an inf in the seazone & is on it’s way to invade an island in another seazone). The sub would get a “pot shot” at the transport?

Yes, because the transport is not escorted for its entire move.

@Commando:

What is the cruiser accompanied the transport on the whole journey?

Then the sub doesn’t get to fire.

@Commando:

Can the sub submerge(i.e. not fighting the cruiser) and still get the “pot shot” at the transport?

Yes.  The sub’s firing happens in the Combat Move phase, then the submerging happens in the Conduct Combat phase.

@Commando:

Also, have another question, this applies to A&A Pacific 1940. Let’s say the US has 1 BB, 1 AC, 1 CC, 1 DD & 2 Subs in SZ6 surrounding Japan. Japan attacks w/a whole bunch of air, 1 AC(brought along to absorb hits) & is also invading w/2 Transports loaded w/troops. The Jap players asks the US player if he wants his subs to fight or submerge. The US player says obviously fight b/cuz his subs can only hit the AC. At some point in the battle, all the US surface ships are gone, due to the Jap air, the Jap AC is gone but the US subs remain b/cuz no one could hit them. What happens next?

Can the Jap Trans ignore the subs?

No.  Subs can only be ingored during movement.  Once you attack them, you give up that option.

@Commando:

Do the Jap Trans automatically die?

Not unless they can’t retreat.  If they are able to retreat, they may do so.

@Commando:

Do the US Subs get one shot at the Jap Trans. I’m confused as to exactly what happens.

No.  Sub shots only occur during movement phases.  Retreats happen during the Conduct Combat phase.  The subs already had their chance during combat.

Say the Japs had DEI & Phil, and its main force is at Carol Is. Ideally if you could get 5 allied subs in range you could spread them out in 5 different sz all at once costing Jap $ (8-10 ipc) and forcing them to buy more DD’s to go after you. At the very least it could be a stall tactic or weaken the Jap force. Jap would need to make a choice to attack your main force w/o DD’s (cheap causalities), or leave the convoy raids in place. If Jap goes after the subs, you may have created targets of opportunity to go after.

@The:

cool, thanks. And I knew that the U.S. technically wouldn’t earn any money with the Western U.S. taken, but I was really referring to the Global game where the Western U.S. wouldn’t be the capital.

Well there will be a new set of rules for the global game. It’s hard to say the impact that’ll have, though it’s good to get the question out early so them who make the rules will address it correctly.

@Krieghund:

Yes.

All kidding aside, take a look at that, 21 minutes to get an answer, that’s freakin’ awsome.

Thanks again Krieg, the best game support I’ve ever seen or ever heard of.

We’ll be playing for the next 7-9 hours here on the south side of Dayton, just starting game 2 now.

MaherC is correct.

Since they happen on two different turns, they can do both.

I think the best way to deal with convoys is to have a zone like in AAP and AAE. It is a convoy route for a selected country. If it becomes occupied by an enemy then that country loses income for every turn thereafter until that evemy ship leaves the zone or it is destroyed. If the enemy ship leaves then the route opens again, it should not stay closed if the enemy then leaves! You should not have to have a friendly warship there to keep it open, only to defend it. To sum up what I said: if the zone has nothing there then the convoy is open and adding to the income of the country, if it is closed by and enemy ship then it won’t add to the income of the country any more.

So from my understanding if a convoy route is captured why are we losing money already collected? How does that make sense, the ships delivering IPCs already got to us, thus the collect income phase at the end of the turn. For every turn after then the income should be docked, but why immediately?