@Krupp:
Is America at war with Germany on the first turn? Did Germany declare war on America in 1944? Or was it much earlier. I’m confused because this would be a huge bonus for both the Axis player and the Allied player. Germany has the first few turns to beat up France, prepare for Barbarossa and maybe even a SeaLion. This would also mean that the American player now has these turns to completely focus all his builds in the Pacific (if the Japanese player declares war early).
Certainly not 1944. US entered in '41. Off the top of my head and not doublechecking, I believe the sequence was: Japan declared war on US & UK (but wasn’t received prior to attacks on Pearl), US declared war on Japan, Germany declared war on US, US declared war on Germany & Italy. My guess with Europe will be that the US can funnel as many “supplies” (units) to britain as it wants, but won’t be at war until turn 3 OR one of the Axis engages them (convoy or otherwise).
Was it established that the US actually CANNOT engage an axis opponent in Pacific to reflect the US reluctance to enter the war? And will this be the same in Europe?
I’m sure there will be some kind of rule in Europe which will state that Germany and Russia are automatically at war at round 2/3 to make sure that Germany can’t crush the UK like a ant (which I’m sure it would be able to)
I think the US should control France, and untill it falls…american units can not move into the european theatre
I think russia and germany should already be at war turn 1 (like larry said that russia could attack germany turn 1) but russias army is so pitifuly small that germany could do barbarosa up untill turn 3…by then russia catches up from a unit stand point
Russia in fact will be attacking german units in finland, during the closing stages of the winter war, unless thats an axis minor territory they have to choose to attack or something
I think the US should control France,
how about the Soveits controling France?
THe UK already controls the Anzacs and the US controls china.
Also France surrendered to the Germans while the Soveits had a non agression treaty with them.
Us is going to play strawman in china for 3 turns……it should be able to do something in europe
soviets will build up with full capacity and fight the finns
How can Germany possibly take out france and be at the gates of Moscow by the end of round 3? Which would be historical if the US comes in at the end of round 3
How can Germany possibly take out france and be at the gates of Moscow by the end of round 3? Which would be historical if the US comes in at the end of round 3
National Socialist ardor will take care of that.
We have to see the new map and the unit setup for Europe before we’ll really know. Until then we’re just spitting in the wind. I just hope they were thoroughly playtested so we don’t get an imbalanced game (either merged or standalone).
God I can’t wait to see the new europe map. I’ve always been way more interested in the European theater, and ive got high expectations for the new map after seeing the new pacific
Pacific is the big naval game. I always get more tense watching the European theater. More ‘big guns’. Plus Africa is like a weeping sore that you keep needing to scratch.
@Army:
Pacific is the big naval game. I always get more tense watching the European theater. More ‘big guns’. Plus Africa is like a weeping sore that you keep needing to scratch.
not to be too snarky, but aren’t the biggest guns on the ships, most of which are in the pacific? Those are serious business. But all them 88’s would scare the bejesus outta me in Europe too.
God I can’t wait to see the new europe map. I’ve always been way more interested in the European theater, and ive got high expectations for the new map after seeing the new pacific
I feel exactly the same way. Europe is the game I really want.
not to be too snarky, but aren’t the biggest guns on the ships, most of which are in the pacific? Those are serious business. But all them 88’s would scare the bejesus outta me in Europe too.
Yeah… but in terms of armies and tanks and planes, the ‘big guns’ are in Europe. Didn’t America only devote something like 20% of its military power to the Pacific?
Ya I think that is true for the most part. Can you immagine how many ipc’s the US would get in the new Europe game if they made their income proportionately that much larger than the US pacific income. It would be around 200!
A giant steamroller!
I always thought that in terms of actual production and power, the USSR was a lot weaker in A&A than it should’ve been. But that was probably just for for the sake of making it more fun.
There might be a German or Italy IPC or territory trigger that brings the U.S. into the war early in the Europe 40 or combined game.
Ya I too have always felt russia has been the weakest of powers in the AA games, while in reality they would probably be the second strongest, if not strongest. I realize that for game playability they have to be weaker than the Germans but I hope that in the new Europe game they make russia a lot stronger than they were in the old Europe game
I think it would be pretty cool if the US enters the war automatically on turn 3 like in pacific, or when lend lease convoys are disrupted (which should grant like nearly 10 IPCs a turn to russia and/or UK). And in the global game, US enters the war when either axis does something wrong, would be cool for Japan to screw Germany on that one in the board game :evil:
And I don’t think Russia should be stronger than Germany, but closer to the aa42 power level differance (esp if Italy was separate) instead of the aa50 power difference (where Germany makes nearly double what Russia does AND has Italy to help). Like say germany makes 40, russia makes 32. Just let Italy be able to hold her own against the UK, like UK makes 30 Italy makes 20.
Germany (with France) I’m thinking 50-60. Italy 10-20. Russia 30-40 (maybe a little more). UK 20-30. Canada/ANZAC 20 between them. US 110 (3 round rule). Japan 20-30.
I’ve been deliberately vague, but that gives Allies: 220 (max) and Axis: 110 (max). This massive difference would be offset by giving the Axis a big setup advantage in unit numbers; having the 3 round option for the full US; and by having a few easy to get convoy routes and NO’s which could deny the Allies money.
All of that is pure speculation of course.
Does anyone think their will be different Soveit IPC values like the US. I doubt larry would introduce a new machanic and only have it ably to one nation?
What do you think will be the conditions for Soveit entry into the war? I am assuming their are at least forced to enter on the third turn like the US or perhaps even the second turn.
And if your playing Europe standalone then does the US just automatically enter on turn 3?
For US i would assume it would have to do with convoy routes from the lend lease being disrupted or a set turn. As far as soviets I think them and the germans are allowed to attack whenever, it just wouldn’t be a good idea for the first few turns. Larry said something about that somewhere.
