China and what should be done with it

@ABWorsham4 said in Lend Lease To China:

Can IPC credit get lend to China to fund the war effort?

No, rulebook page 10:

China and its units are controlled by one of the Allied
players, but for game purposes it is considered a separate
power and its resources cannot be mixed with those of
other Allied powers.

@wittmann:

AA , Worsham, as Japan starts with a ridiculous 21 Air units.
Not right, in my eyes.

I agree, it’s a swarm of angry hornets.

I like the way China is, I think it well represents the state of Chinese forces and idustry at that time. Mind you, by the time this game begins, all of Chinas more developed and industrilzed areas are under Japanese occupation.

What I could see someone doing is making a house rule where if China takes its costal areas back, or recaptures Kiangsu, its allowed to place a minor industry there for free (which it could upgrade to a major) and can function as a regular nation, purchasing and moving normaly. I know it sounds extream, but If China gets to that point, the game is pretty much over for Japan anyway

@nimitz1:

Seems a little ludicrous but hey…this game seems to be full of little problems but it does put more strategic importance on wiping china out altogether as early as possible, if necessary at the expense of going after india. Thanks gents.  One more question if I could…if a kamikaze attack (or a number of them are made on a carrier with aircraft, if the carrier is sunk are the aircraft lost?

Not necessarily. Kamis can only be used on the allies’ turn, so the planes have their remaining movement to land

Gharen, I’m not necessarily an advocate for changing the rules for China, or of allowing the Chinese out of China in AA40. Hell they get to go into 20 tt. I would have liked to see a Chinese AA gun just to show the p40 ftr wasn’t just a paper tiger and the Japs took heavy air losses. I did think that China was much to weak in AA50, especially 41. I also think that China’s roll will be much different in the 40 global game. The UK/Russian powers will play a much bigger role in the Chinese arena (its kinda like an arena-they can’t leave-he he couldn’t resist  :-D). Anyway I for one will hold judgment until I’ve actually had a chance to play the global game. I don’t foresee any real problems here. I also like the fact that China is a very minor mostly def ally that is going to need a lot of help to stay in the game.

edit: I would like to see some Russian restrictions when it comes to its allies in Russian tt, and vice-versa. The Russians didn’t play nice w/allies. Any Russians going into China should maybe represent communist (MIO), and became red Chinese. They would at the point of entry have the same restrictions as the Chinese, and could not return to Russian soil. This would make Russia think twice about placing units in china. I don’t think any of this will be part of the game, but makes for an interesting scenario.

@Krieghund:

Again, both kamikaze attacks and scrambling are defensive reactions.  If there’s no attack, there’s no defense.  Combat moves done only to avoid combat do not trigger kamikaze attacks or scrambling.

A good definition of “attack” would be “combat movement into a hostile space or declaration of intent for combat in any space”.

With Kamikazes having the added requirement of : “If the allied player has moved ships into one of the above sea zones, …” ?

Which to me implies during this combat movement. Seems pointless to have this line otherwise, since you obviously couldn’t attack a ship that has never moved there.

tnx so much

@Butcher:

In the rulebook, it says that China is allowed to attack Japanese forces in and occupy Burma and Kwangtung. Does this also mean that they can non-combat move infantry and/or the Flying Tigers into either territory? Thanks.

Yes.

@Frontovik:

but not sure you can place new units in those territories

You can mobilize new Chinese units in any territory that China controls.  China can only control Burma or Kwangtung if it captures them from Japan while India is held by Japan.