Will the Atlantic and Pacific in AA40 Global be balanced

@Brain:

And I too would like the us to be have 2 incomes one for the Pacific and one for the Atlantic theatres.

I think forcing the USA to split the incomes would go against what I think Larry Harris A&A Idea is… I think the official rules will let you combine the US money in some way… USA money is USA money. I do think the game play won’t give you much wiggle room to shift all the income one way or another.

You could be right.

@Upside-down_Turtle:

I don’t think US will need to “mix” income.  We know Western US is 10 and 50.  We can postulate the Eastern US will be 12 and 60.  That’s 110, + Central US (6) + Alasks (2) + Hawaii (1) + Mexico (2) + Brazil (3) + Cuba (1) + Phillipiness [typo?] (2) + Pannama (1) = 128 IPCs!!! Forget KGF or KJF, it’s Kill Everyone First!!!

everybody will have huge ammounts of IPC
but i think in earlier games USA is overrated with militairy force and underrated in terms of IPC

Here is a list of the production values during the course of the war of the main nations:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_production_during_World_War_II

+1, interesting. ^

Excellent- Gorshak +1 also- I’ll post this on Larry’s site for him to see, this may help balance or at least give a more historical G40 set up. :-)

@Gorshak:

Here is a list of the production values during the course of the war of the main nations:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_production_during_World_War_II

Very interesting!

thanks gorshak, and wikipedia

thanks for the praise. :)
blush

I started a new topic with some more links and quotes on the topic:
http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=15585.0

@questioneer:

Excellent- Gorshak +1 also- I’ll post this on Larry’s site for him to see, this may help balance or at least give a more historical G40 set up. :-)

Remember that some things have to be altered for the sake of game balance.

Yes, or else Allies would always win, which would be boring.

Give the allies some sort of economical advantage. Give the Axis the “priority advantage” (meaning they play first, which is what happened in the war at the beginning) and some sort of military advantage.

Easier said than done though. But I believe Larry does good game. No need to worry

@Omega:

Yes, or else Allies would always win, which would be boring.

Give the allies some sort of economical advantage. Give the Axis the “priority advantage” (meaning they play first, which is what happened in the war at the beginning) and some sort of military advantage.

Easier said than done though. But I believe Larry does good game. No need to worry

Very much agreed.  I think Larry has done a pretty good job here in estimating the productions and military units available in his games and matching that to the historical facts as best as possible.  The info may be helpful however, so I just put it on his website.

Specifically, in the years 1940, 1941, 1942 (start times for his games), the comparisons from his games to the historical facts seem relatively close.  Of course there are many more factors that could be debated that go beyond what you see in these numbers. :-)

Just give me a balanced Axis and Allies game.

AA42 (the most recen one) is pretty balanced. in my opinion. and this next one will probably be as well

Yeah and also we do have to remember that this is Wikipedia, so some of the info could be suspect. But Larry I’m sure has his references already in placve for determining the game setup and I believe that we will have a very balanced game.

@questioneer:

Excellent- Gorshak +1 also- I’ll post this on Larry’s site for him to see, this may help balance or at least give a more historical G40 set up. :-)

I’m afraid that in the name of balance the real figures simply have to be ignored. Or else Germany would be starting one 10 IPCs or something…!

The figures of production show how outpowered the axis were - especially once they took on the US - a nation they had no way of directly attacking, and which was continental in scale of resource and population - the ‘arsenal of democracy’. Even the russians once they had recovered slightly from the loss of the Ukraine and moved their industries east began production on a scale that Germany could not keep up with…

Probably the most false aspect of A&A is the money - the axis were quite simply doomed. The closest approximation in A&A so far is Pacific and the US’s de facto 70+ income versus the Japanese who despite owning all those Islands never came close to even half of US production (see the wiki article and others i.e. Oxford Companion to WWII).

In fact - looking at Japan in particular - it was surprising she didn’t fold much sooner when you look at the bare facts and figures. But there you go. That good old Bushido spirit was good for something aye?

Oh sorry - according to wiki the Soviets did produce less of one unit than the Germans…

Training aircraft…!  :roll:

(maybe Larry could make that a special piece - Germany could start with a tower of training aircraft)

It’s only a game. Modifications had to be made to make it balanced.

yup. It adds a personal touch. and improves on an already great game

Yeah. What good would it be to play a game if you knew one side was always going to win