AA50: Rockets AD

Piston fighters can shoot down V-1’s

Nothing can shoot down a V-2

The game can only account for one type of rocket, and the V-2 is really in a class of its own and more clearly a ‘rocket’ I would think none of these can be negated. Techs should not invalidate other techs. To me thats not the intent of the design.

OK so then radar shouldn’t give any bonus to shoot down or invalidate long range AC?
How do you see heavy bombers and increased industrial production working without one invalidating the other?

Each technology can always make a original unit better, It does not deflate the abilities of another. Of course HB and having better production efficiency are cases where both bombers and factories have greater uses, but in this case they dont directly deny the abilities of the other. The damage potentially from bombers is still the same.

The games design does not process any aspect where: “hey i got rockets, so your other tech is now modified by the fact that i have this weapon”

Radar should only ADD to the ability of AA guns to shoot planes, or provide a defensive benefit like the ability to scramble fighters from adjacent territories to defend the SBR target with interceptors.

AS for the capabilities of the English jet aircraft.

The RAF initially reserved the aircraft to counter the V-1 flying bomb threat with No. 616’s Meteors seeing action for the first time on 27 July 1944 with three aircraft active over Kent. After some problems, especially with jamming guns, the first two V1 “kills” occurred on 4 August. The Meteor accounted for 14 flying bombs. The anti-V1 missions of 27 July 1944 were the Meteor’s (and the Royal Air Force’s) first operational jet combat missions.

14 kills of over 5,000 V1’s sent  ( about 2300 were shot down by non jet planes) does not make any case for Jets as a superior vehicle to destroy ‘rockets’ At least to model any potential modifier for these planes shows no research to validate that modifier. Not to mention the V-2 had no counter weapon.

there is serious need for a house rule or two since in real life technology does not fall into nice neat improvements that do not effect other technologies… much like how long range AC enhances the paratrooper technology.

But in the GAME they do in fact follow a path that does not negate the benefits of other techs. To all of a sudden change this does not seem consistent with the designers intent. LH clearly did not make his technologies so that they can be played like poker with one hand beating another. Of course realistically its the other way around, but again the FMG ideal is to be able to plug and play with the existing OOB all of these new pieces and ideas…just add, not reduce or alter existing rules. That would be reserved for just house rules.

I figure this thread had some relationship to the new pieces coming out, but if its just “hey whats a better rule for rockets?” then even so to model 14 kills by one type of plane and hold that as a greater efficiency than the 2,000 kills by piston fighters for the last year of the war is not correct modeling approach.

What if one jet fighter took out a V-1? would you then take this as proof that Jets do a better job at taking out a V-1?

Then on a few more months, the V-2 appears and again nothing can touch them. Clearly no rule should be made with respect to rockets to provide a interception modifier for Jet fighters against them.

But fighters defending in the target of a rocket attack, could be given a roll of 2 or less for each plane. That could make sence.

It makes sense for any ol’ 10 IPC fighter - without a rare and random tech breakthru - to have a 33% lethality against the invincible V2 but granting jet fighters a 17% lethality goes against the spirit of the game?

The rule comes from AAE verbatim. I was not talking about jet fighters, but normal fighters involved in air defense to SBR.

IN the case of jets these would defend at 3 and attack at 2 if used as escorts. So in both cases they are +1 vs the side w/o jets

The OOB rules for AAE describe fighter escorts and defense.

Jet fighters is another matter altogether, not in AAE

I was talking ONLY about how it was done in that game, while ADDING the part of jet fighters so they have an advantage by a factor of 1 in both cases.